Damon Dash Resurrects Roc-A-Fella Without Jay-Z..Power Move of the year

[musicology1985]

Standing up for a cause is great. Doesn't make you the greatest CEO ever though.

I already put Dame stats up. he successful with almost all his artists, had a great clothing line & numerous films. wtf u niggas basing yall argument on? Dame got this by a landslide.

 

[musicology1985]

damn nigga did Dame Dash bail you out or something...nobody saying the man didn't do his thing, but there's a reason the Roc was ran by 3 people and not just Dame Dash...Dash fought a battle he didn't have to fight and came out on the losing end...and there's plenty of rap label CEO's that have done it better...hell Puffy still got Bad Boy around nearly 20 years later...Cash Money has had a longer run than Roc-A-Fella, their artists have sold more records and have had longer careers so by your 6 year logic Baby and Slim are better CEO's than Dame Dash...

my logic is based on the constant hate for dame dash that we get from u mainstream cats. he fought a battle for black American control of his brands (rocawear, rocafella & roc films.) that's what he stood for. the Israli Americans didn't like that and wanted jay's marketing power. they used jay as a tool against black harlem and won. and yeah, dame ran the roc, biggs supplied investment and muscle while jay was the face (jay ain't do no more than that & biggs is still cool & active with dame)

and dash did have to fight that battle because look what happned when the jews got control. rocafella became another vanity label just like dame suspected. now jay is pumpin' roc nation. cohen & carter ruined rocafella & everything it stood for.

now, diddy and baby are both ceo's who lasted through pop rap & bad deals. this is fact. they promote consumerism and that's it. dame had a varied artist roster and stood for a cause. diddy & baby stand for profit. period.

 

[blackrain]

my logic is based on the constant hate for dame dash that we get from u mainstream cats. he fought a battle for black American control of his brands (rocawear, rocafella & roc films.) that's what he stood for. the Israli Americans didn't like that and wanted jay's marketing power. they used jay as a tool against black harlem and won. and yeah, dame ran the roc, biggs supplied investment and muscle while jay was the face (jay ain't do no more than that & biggs is still cool & active with dame)

and dash did have to fight that battle because look what happned when the jews got contrl. rocafella became another vanity label just like dame suspected. now jay is pumpin roc nation. cohen & carter ruined rocafella & everything it stood for.

now, diddy and baby are both ceo's who lasted through pop rap & bad deals. this is fact. they promote consumerism and that's it. dame had a varied artist roster and stood for a cause. diddy & baby stand for profit. period.

1. where did you see any hate for Dame Dash? You jumping to conclusions in defense of something that I never even posted...calling me a fan of mainstream music isn't an insult either so you can keep on with that...how you gonna criticize the mainstream when Dame Dash was the epitome of it when the Roc was on top...he was all about money, money, money...that's all he ever talked about was profit...his cause was being a "cake-a-holic" as he called himself plenty of times...saying he wanted to be a "half a trillionaire"...that was Dame Dash talking all that shit on those old Roc and Dipset songs right?...he wasn't no revolutionary like you're tryna make him out to be...he was a businessman trying to make money...
2. if you really knew your facts then you would know that Biggs is the reason him and Dame no longer have control over the Roc...Jay was gonna give it to Dame and Bigs and walk away as long as he could get the masters to Reasonable Doubt...Biggs said no so Jay said fuck it and took the deal Def Jam offered him and Def Jam bought out Dame and Biggs...

 

[hr paperstacks]

I already put Dame stats up. he successful with almost all his artists, had a great clothing line & numerous films. wtf u niggas basing yall argument on? Dame got this by a landslide.

First off, I'm not knocking Dame at all. He's arrogant and annoying sometimes but I don't really care.

To say it's a landslide is overstating it. Jay and Kanye have both had success and I'll give you that. To a much lesser extent, so did Cam when he was on the Roc. But Beans? Bleek? I like both of them too, but even at the top of their games neither of them really killed the game like that. The Diplomats had a big buzz, but they didn't have long term success (barely see any of them anymore besides dumbass "beefs"). Can't give him credit for R. Kelly since R. Kelly was real popular way before that. An album with him and Jay is an easy success, not something credited to Dame.

P did a lot of the same stuff as Dame, as far as other ventures with movies and the clothing line. Based on all the stuff you said, I'd put them as equal right now.

 

[musicology1985]

@blackrain

longer CAREERS? are you serious? are u talking about lil wayne because that's the only dude with a long career with Cash Money. everybody else got beef with cash money, and the guys who were on cash money before the hot boys and had beef with baby are now ostracized or conveniently dead.

diddy is a well known vulture who represents an even more ruthless side of Harlem than Dash.

 

[blackrain]

@blackrain

longer CAREERS? are you serious? are u talking about lil wayne because that's the only dude with a long career with Cash Money. everybody else got beef with cash money, and the guys who were on cash money before the hot boys and had beef with baby are now ostracized or conveniently dead.

diddy is a well known vulture who represents an even more ruthless side of Harlem than Dash.

re-read...I said Cash Money has had a longer run and more successful artists than the Roc had overall...only niggas on the ROC to ever sell platinum were Jay, Kanye, and Cam...nobody else ever went platinum...Im not knocking the ROC's influence in hip-hop...they had a crazy run, but your love/admiration for Dame is making you overstate shit...

 

[musicology1985]

First off, I'm not knocking Dame at all. He's arrogant and annoying sometimes but I don't really care.

To say it's a landslide is overstating it. Jay and Kanye have both had success and I'll give you that. To a much lesser extent, so did Cam when he was on the Roc. But Beans? Bleek? I like both of them too, but even at the top of their games neither of them really killed the game like that. The Diplomats had a big buzz, but they didn't have long term success (barely see any of them anymore besides dumbass "beefs"). Can't give him credit for R. Kelly since R. Kelly was real popular way before that. An album with him and Jay is an easy success, not something credited to Dame.

P did a lot of the same stuff as Dame, as far as other ventures with movies and the clothing line. Based on all the stuff you said, I'd put them as equal right now.

excuses excuses. bleek & beans both got gold plaques under Dame. without Dame? nothing. not even tours. and the Diplomats did have a long career as a group (2002-2007) but Cam & Jim beef along with Juelz poppin' off at the lip ruined it. so in the end, the Dips did they selves in. but when they was with Dame everything was rolling on all cylinders.

 

[musicology1985]

re-read...I said Cash Money has had a longer run and more successful artists than the Roc had overall...only niggas on the ROC to ever sell platinum were Jay, Kanye, and Cam...nobody else ever went platinum...Im not knocking the ROC's influence in hip-hop...they had a crazy run, but your love/admiration for Dame is making you overstate shit...

I'm not overstating anything. just because I take up for Dame Dash and his leadership of a label that went bi-regional in 3 years (something it took baby 6 years to do) doesn't mean I'm exaggerating. Dash deserves credit for what he did. too long this man has gotten' shitted on by Jay stans. and just because the Diplomats, Beans & Bleek never went platinum that doesn't mean it wasn't a success. now as far as the kellz and jay collab? that happened under Dames watch, whether u like it or not.

 

[musicology1985]

oh yeah, Rocafella also had hot soundtracks (streets is watching, backstage & paid in full double disc)

 

[blackrain]

I'm not overstating anything. just because I take up for Dame Dash and his leadership of a label that went bi-regional in 3 years (something it took baby 6 years to do) doesn't mean I'm exaggerating. Dash deserves credit for what he did. too long this man has gotten' shitted on by Jay stans. and just because the Diplomats, Beans & Bleek never went platinum that doesn't mean it wasn't a success. now as far as the kellz and jay collab? that happened under Dames watch, whether u like it or not.

and Dame gets credit for what he did...you can't mention the Roc w/o having to know the role Dame played, if anybody on the ROC doesn't get credit it's Biggs. Some people don't even know that nigga exists...and yeah in the world of music if you're not selling records you're not a success...Bleek, Sigel, they don't have successful recording careers but when you consider how hard Dame promoted them vs. what they sold it's a failure...their albums haven't sold alot of records with their solo albums, at best they both have gold albums...like I said Dame wasn't no revolutionary like you're tryna make him out to be...he was a self-professed cake-a-holic who was all about hit money first and foremost as he reminded us in so many Roc songs and interviews...

 

[musicology1985]

1. where did you see any hate for Dame Dash? You jumping to conclusions in defense of something that I never even posted...calling me a fan of mainstream music isn't an insult either so you can keep on with that...how you gonna criticize the mainstream when Dame Dash was the epitome of it when the Roc was on top...he was all about money, money, money...that's all he ever talked about was profit...his cause was being a "cake-a-holic" as he called himself plenty of times...saying he wanted to be a "half a trillionaire"...that was Dame Dash talking all that shit on those old Roc and Dipset songs right?...he wasn't no revolutionary like you're tryna make him out to be...he was a businessman trying to make money...
2. if you really knew your facts then you would know that Biggs is the reason him and Dame no longer have control over the Roc...Jay was gonna give it to Dame and Bigs and walk away as long as he could get the masters to Reasonable Doubt...Biggs said no so Jay said fuck it and took the deal Def Jam offered him and Def Jam bought out Dame and Biggs...

fuck what u talking bout.' Jay sided with the Israelis and Dash & Biggs sided with black Harlem. it is what it is. fuck Jay Z and the white Jews.

 

[musicology1985]

and Dame gets credit for what he did...you can't mention the Roc w/o having to know the role Dame played, if anybody on the ROC doesn't get credit it's Biggs. Some people don't even know that nigga exists...and yeah in the world of music if you're not selling records you're not a success...Bleek, Sigel, they don't have successful recording careers but when you consider how hard Dame promoted them vs. what they sold it's a failure...their albums haven't sold alot of records with their solo albums, at best they both have gold albums...like I said Dame wasn't no revolutionary like you're tryna make him out to be...he was a self-professed cake-a-holic who was all about hit money first and foremost as he reminded us in so many Roc songs and interviews...

stfu. I ain't say Dame was a revolutionary, but he was a rebel in the Manhattan business world. as far as the other b.s u talkin'? my statement still stands. Bleek and Beans (whether they or u like it or not) had greater success with Dame than without. I appreciate their gold albums.

oh yeah, and Biggs is a great man filled with loyalty, courage and humility. and who does he role with? Dash. it figures.

 

[I'm THAT guy...]

I'm just glad Curren$y finally has that push to get him in the game, Dame still carries weight in the game with or without the Roc-A-Fella name

 

[musicology1985]

Jay knew black Harlem was gone be on his ass for what he did to Dash. so he leaned on the Latinos for support (OG Juan & Tru Life)

I ain't knockin' the brother Tru Life for ridin' on Jay's behalf. he had to do what he had to do for his boss (OG Juan, who is still in bed with Camel man.)

 

[G.R.I.P. Money $$$]

damn somebody caught feelings...mane fuck dame, he cool and all but im tryin to c them push my nigga spitta...

 

[musicology1985]

damn somebody caught feelings...mane fuck dame, he cool and all but im tryin to c them push my nigga spitta...

yeah fuck u too. dame dash is good for hip hop. emotions make for great rap songs

tupac

busta rhymes

mystikal

dmx

all emotional rappers, so fuck y'all niggas b.

 

[kirkangil]

LA Reid just loves to throw away money on washed up fuckers.

Hes gonna be fired really soon and i wont feel sorry for him.

First the Shyne debacle and now Dame Dash gets a label deal and his flagship artist is a non marketable guy whos been on 4 different labels.

What a joke.

 

[tompetrez3]

ha ha ha ha. Dame is bold. this is a ballsy move.

I know Jay Z heart dropped when he heard this. All that money he gave to the jews and the real blueprint to eject Dame and Biggs out of hip hop has backfired on him. This isnt about money or fame. this is a double edge sword that is about to ricochet off of hip hop and cut that camel fuckin head off. Puffy gay ass is next

 

[G.R.I.P. Money $$$]

yeah fuck u too. dame dash is good for hip hop. emotions make for great rap songs

tupac

busta rhymes

mystikal

dmx

all emotional rappers, so fuck y'all niggas b.

rofl!!!!!!

[video=youtube;eXYSvyuRes8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXYSvyuRes8[/video]

 

[fresh.k]

Dash been doing some good music with some quality artists lately. I'm rootin' for him. shit, he's arguably the best rap CEO ever.

nah. Dash is that dude, in some respects...but in other he's sorely lacking. plus how is he able to resurrect roc-a-fella records?...unless L.A. Reid resurrects the label, appoints him label head, and un-asses some coin for him to sign folks? I don't see any of the above happening but stranger things have and do happen.