Could there EVER be another great black leader again?

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manofmorehouse;5280299 said:
In order to have a great African American leader to take up the reigns from Martin, Maloclm, Al, and Jesse, there has to be strong and unwavering African American supporters. The problem today is that we have mastered the "crab in the barrel" mentality. That, coupled with the idea that all things European are best, is why we struggle to have strong leadership in our communities and political arenas

Please don't put jessie jackson and al sharpton in the same sentence with Malcom or Martin. Al and jesse a bunch of hypocritical self seeking attention whore. Im sick of the Sharpton and Jacson old ass old school "civil rights" leaders because they aren't about civil rights at all.

Al and jesse only come to the main stage when a black person is affected by a white person in society. They not out in chicago talking about the civil rights of young children in chicago being victims of gun violence. They MIA god forbid someone who is not black is a victim of civil rights. Screw them fuck niggas. The best thing about MLK is he didn't just stand for black folk rights he stood for human rights.
 
...Lol goto sleep

guess you never heard of the PUSH coalition or Sharton going on a hungerstrike for Vieques or... nigga do your homework..

why is it black people get looked down for only supporting their own anyway when other people do the same..
 
playmaker88;5283353 said:
High Revolutionary;5283326 said:
They already laid the blueprint. What we need another black leader for?

You can call it what you will leader, beacon.. blah blah they exist throughout the community

I see your point but honestly we need more black "leaders" in the household if anything.
 
We don't need a "leader" we do however need an intelligent spokesman for Black issues. Not just racial, but class issues as well. Someone who will speak out for Black women who are constantly under attack under the false "welfare queen" statements, someone who has the balls to stand up for Black men and up against the prison-industrial complex.

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There's plenty of academics doing it: Cornel West, Tricia Rose, Michelle Alexander, and Henry Louis Gates among others but unless you some false flagging reverend people don't listen. These folks realize issues are rarely just Black and White, but also issues of gender and class inequality.

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Niggas need to stop waiting for someone to lead a march. They can arm themselves with factual information and do what's necessary for themselves. All sharpton & jackson do is bring media attention. Its difficult at times to tell whether the media is attracted to a situation because sharpton & jackson are there or if jackson & sharpton are there BECAUSE the media is there. In any event, the appearance of impropriety actually hurt their image, its got little to do with personal hate for either one of them.
 
Monizzle14;5283356 said:
manofmorehouse;5280299 said:
In order to have a great African American leader to take up the reigns from Martin, Maloclm, Al, and Jesse, there has to be strong and unwavering African American supporters. The problem today is that we have mastered the "crab in the barrel" mentality. That, coupled with the idea that all things European are best, is why we struggle to have strong leadership in our communities and political arenas

Please don't put jessie jackson and al sharpton in the same sentence with Malcom or Martin. Al and jesse a bunch of hypocritical self seeking attention whore. Im sick of the Sharpton and Jacson old ass old school "civil rights" leaders because they aren't about civil rights at all.

Al and jesse only come to the main stage when a black person is affected by a white person in society. They not out in chicago talking about the civil rights of young children in chicago being victims of gun violence. They MIA god forbid someone who is not black is a victim of civil rights. Screw them fuck niggas. The best thing about MLK is he didn't just stand for black folk rights he stood for human rights.

You're joking right? Al Sharpton and Jesse have been very involved on Black on Black crime. They have led PLENTY of marches and spoken out many times against shootings in Chicago and other areas. You gotta do some research, very disappointing post from you. Go to youtube and see for yourself, how old are you?
 
High Revolutionary;5283493 said:
playmaker88;5283353 said:
High Revolutionary;5283326 said:
They already laid the blueprint. What we need another black leader for?

You can call it what you will leader, beacon.. blah blah they exist throughout the community

I see your point but honestly we need more black "leaders" in the household if anything.

I agree that would be a good start
 
kingblaze84;5284711 said:
Monizzle14;5283356 said:
manofmorehouse;5280299 said:
In order to have a great African American leader to take up the reigns from Martin, Maloclm, Al, and Jesse, there has to be strong and unwavering African American supporters. The problem today is that we have mastered the "crab in the barrel" mentality. That, coupled with the idea that all things European are best, is why we struggle to have strong leadership in our communities and political arenas

Please don't put jessie jackson and al sharpton in the same sentence with Malcom or Martin. Al and jesse a bunch of hypocritical self seeking attention whore. Im sick of the Sharpton and Jacson old ass old school "civil rights" leaders because they aren't about civil rights at all.

Al and jesse only come to the main stage when a black person is affected by a white person in society. They not out in chicago talking about the civil rights of young children in chicago being victims of gun violence. They MIA god forbid someone who is not black is a victim of civil rights. Screw them fuck niggas. The best thing about MLK is he didn't just stand for black folk rights he stood for human rights.

You're joking right? Al Sharpton and Jesse have been very involved on Black on Black crime. They have led PLENTY of marches and spoken out many times against shootings in Chicago and other areas. You gotta do some research, very disappointing post from you. Go to youtube and see for yourself, how old are you?

Your right but they don't get a lot of respect. The older crowd show them a little love but for the most part everybody else see right thru them
 
kingblaze84;5282769 said:
Yeah other people spoke out for Trayvon's murder but not with the same passion Al Sharpton and Jesse had.
honestly, i think that's a little bit of a subjective call

playmaker88;5283160 said:
I dont understand how niggas have co-opted the hate of Al and jesse of white people...

Real shit if Martin and Mlk came during these times they would be hated the same.. even more than they were then BY NIGGAS
you know what seems to be the major difference? whatever negative things you can say about MLK or Malcolm, them coming off as having a streak of self-enrichment isn't one of them.

 
chi-guy;5284732 said:
kingblaze84;5284711 said:
Monizzle14;5283356 said:
manofmorehouse;5280299 said:
In order to have a great African American leader to take up the reigns from Martin, Maloclm, Al, and Jesse, there has to be strong and unwavering African American supporters. The problem today is that we have mastered the "crab in the barrel" mentality. That, coupled with the idea that all things European are best, is why we struggle to have strong leadership in our communities and political arenas

Please don't put jessie jackson and al sharpton in the same sentence with Malcom or Martin. Al and jesse a bunch of hypocritical self seeking attention whore. Im sick of the Sharpton and Jacson old ass old school "civil rights" leaders because they aren't about civil rights at all.

Al and jesse only come to the main stage when a black person is affected by a white person in society. They not out in chicago talking about the civil rights of young children in chicago being victims of gun violence. They MIA god forbid someone who is not black is a victim of civil rights. Screw them fuck niggas. The best thing about MLK is he didn't just stand for black folk rights he stood for human rights.

You're joking right? Al Sharpton and Jesse have been very involved on Black on Black crime. They have led PLENTY of marches and spoken out many times against shootings in Chicago and other areas. You gotta do some research, very disappointing post from you. Go to youtube and see for yourself, how old are you?

Your right but they don't get a lot of respect. The older crowd show them a little love but for the most part everybody else see right thru them

Yeah but few people can gather the crowds Al Sharpton and Jesse can. They're not perfect and have said dumb things but overall I respect them. And I'm 28 years old
 
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kingblaze84;5285091 said:
chi-guy;5284732 said:
kingblaze84;5284711 said:
Monizzle14;5283356 said:
manofmorehouse;5280299 said:
In order to have a great African American leader to take up the reigns from Martin, Maloclm, Al, and Jesse, there has to be strong and unwavering African American supporters. The problem today is that we have mastered the "crab in the barrel" mentality. That, coupled with the idea that all things European are best, is why we struggle to have strong leadership in our communities and political arenas

Please don't put jessie jackson and al sharpton in the same sentence with Malcom or Martin. Al and jesse a bunch of hypocritical self seeking attention whore. Im sick of the Sharpton and Jacson old ass old school "civil rights" leaders because they aren't about civil rights at all.

Al and jesse only come to the main stage when a black person is affected by a white person in society. They not out in chicago talking about the civil rights of young children in chicago being victims of gun violence. They MIA god forbid someone who is not black is a victim of civil rights. Screw them fuck niggas. The best thing about MLK is he didn't just stand for black folk rights he stood for human rights.

You're joking right? Al Sharpton and Jesse have been very involved on Black on Black crime. They have led PLENTY of marches and spoken out many times against shootings in Chicago and other areas. You gotta do some research, very disappointing post from you. Go to youtube and see for yourself, how old are you?

Your right but they don't get a lot of respect. The older crowd show them a little love but for the most part everybody else see right thru them

Yeah but few people can gather the crowds Al Sharpton and Jesse can. They're not perfect and have said dumb things but overall I respect them. And I'm 28 years old

True, they're like a necessary evil. For better or for worse, they're able to capture headlines and media attention for issues concerning blacks

Never met Mr. Sharpton but I've encountered Jesse many times and I respect what he does but i'm no fan of his. I've met his son too, he's a better leader then Jesse sr, it's just sad what he's going thru right now
 
The problem is the black youth has been dumbed down to the point they're leaders are Lil Wayne, Keef Chief or Trinidad James. Do really think somebody who listens to Trinidad James gives a fuck about social injustice? If revolution comes is that really who we expect to fight for us? Lol.

Even if that weren't the case the media will tear down any black leader thats not part of the machine. Martin Luther King or Malcom X wouldn't exist in this era because Fox news, Government and websites would dissect them to the point nobody would care what they say
 
Could there ever be another great black leader again? Of course, though the possibility might vary depending on your definition of "great." What would be his/her platform? Simply any of the major issue affecting blacks at the time. Pick your choice: crime, prisons, gangs, discrimination, etc.

Now, with that being said, I'm a little ambivalent when it comes to leaders, role models, heroes and such ilk. They're great and all, but when you have leaders, you also have followers. And followers can be a bad thing, especially when they're just blind followers and especially when their so-called leader dies or disappoints. MLK preached nonviolence and love, and what did people do when he was assassinated? They become violent and hateful and destroyed their own cities. We shouldn't have to rely too much on leaders. All adults need to get their act together and be their own leaders and handle their responsibilities and raise their kids right.

As for Jackson and Sharpton, I respect both men, but also have problems with both men (moreso Jackson), so neither of these guys come out looking like angels or extraordinarily great men imo. Jason Whitlock and the late, great Patrice O'neal touched on this during the whole Don Imus story (which shouldn't have been a story in the first place):

5:24+
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fjIuPSuYSOY#t=324s

2:02+
=player_detailpage&list=PL3D115C4186DFCA8B#t=124s
 
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chi-guy;5286143 said:
kingblaze84;5285091 said:
chi-guy;5284732 said:
kingblaze84;5284711 said:
Monizzle14;5283356 said:
manofmorehouse;5280299 said:
In order to have a great African American leader to take up the reigns from Martin, Maloclm, Al, and Jesse, there has to be strong and unwavering African American supporters. The problem today is that we have mastered the "crab in the barrel" mentality. That, coupled with the idea that all things European are best, is why we struggle to have strong leadership in our communities and political arenas

Please don't put jessie jackson and al sharpton in the same sentence with Malcom or Martin. Al and jesse a bunch of hypocritical self seeking attention whore. Im sick of the Sharpton and Jacson old ass old school "civil rights" leaders because they aren't about civil rights at all.

Al and jesse only come to the main stage when a black person is affected by a white person in society. They not out in chicago talking about the civil rights of young children in chicago being victims of gun violence. They MIA god forbid someone who is not black is a victim of civil rights. Screw them fuck niggas. The best thing about MLK is he didn't just stand for black folk rights he stood for human rights.

You're joking right? Al Sharpton and Jesse have been very involved on Black on Black crime. They have led PLENTY of marches and spoken out many times against shootings in Chicago and other areas. You gotta do some research, very disappointing post from you. Go to youtube and see for yourself, how old are you?

Your right but they don't get a lot of respect. The older crowd show them a little love but for the most part everybody else see right thru them

Yeah but few people can gather the crowds Al Sharpton and Jesse can. They're not perfect and have said dumb things but overall I respect them. And I'm 28 years old

True, they're like a necessary evil. For better or for worse, they're able to capture headlines and media attention for issues concerning blacks

Never met Mr. Sharpton but I've encountered Jesse many times and I respect what he does but i'm no fan of his. I've met his son too, he's a better leader then Jesse sr, it's just sad what he's going thru right now

Yeah it's very sad what Jesse Jackson Jr is going through, hopefully the brotha can pull himself up together. I wonder what the fuck made him so depressed?? He seemed to be having a good life.....as far as Al and Jesse, I can forgive some of their past poor choice of words as long as they continue speaking out on injustices being faced by Black people, from the injustices being committed by White crackas and Blacks alike.
 
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man when I look at those videos of black people damn near rioting to buy Jordan 11s just this year

I don't even think a black leader can do shit about now

shit is sad when you really think about it
 
kingblaze84;5288114 said:
Yeah it's very sad what Jesse Jackson Jr is going through, hopefully the brotha can pull himself up together. I wonder what the fuck made him so depressed??
possible criminal charges can make you depressed. of course, it also means what you're going through isn't 100% sad, as it may be self-inflicted.

 
janklow;5289860 said:
kingblaze84;5288114 said:
Yeah it's very sad what Jesse Jackson Jr is going through, hopefully the brotha can pull himself up together. I wonder what the fuck made him so depressed??
possible criminal charges can make you depressed. of course, it also means what you're going through isn't 100% sad, as it may be self-inflicted.

LOL yeah he did put a lot of this on himself......
 
Lil Loca;5291657 said:
En-Fuego22;5279304 said:
We don't need a leader...We need an Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines,United, Not our oppressor Religion,etc....

This. People should be their own leaders and demand social change as a collective. Too often, leaders/spokespersons die, and so does the action that kept the movement strong right along with them.

Yeah definitely, people have to act in a unified manner in any way to create change. The Haitians freed themselves from the French in 1804 due to collective action, while Black slaves in America usually acted out too individually. What Haitians did against Napoleon and the French shows how collective action is always best.

 
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There will never be another successful and generally accepted Black leader until we as a people come together and embrass each other and allow each other to build.
 

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