DrMindbender122;2059386 said:
@ Jaxn: We ARE talking about the same Goku that was shown to have nearly died from energy absorption powers on numerous occasions, right?
Android 19 was killing him and would've done so if it weren't for Vegeta intervening and saving Goku's ass
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Define numerous? I’ve only known of two instances were energy absorption posed a problem for him and in both times, it was by folks who were stronger than him or being powered up by him. Surfer doesn’t get more powerful by absorbing energy from other individuals. ...Android 19 was as strong as Goku at the time and was being powered up even further by Goku’s energy, not to mention Goku had come down with a heart disease during that fight..that’s why he could’ve died..I wasn’t even using GT since many consider it to be non canon, but Super 17 was blatantly being powered up by Goku’s energy, which made him stronger. Another guy tried to absorb his power during the Buu saga. This guy was considered a beast, unfortunately for him, Goku was much stronger and allowed him to absorb his energy until he overloaded and blew up. I know Norrin is a master at energy absorption, but can you name a time he’s absorbed energy from an opponent in such a manner? I can’t think of many at all. If he could then he wouldn’t have any problems with guys like Thanos and Elders of the Universe.
Same thing when he fought Super Android 17 (and Goku was @ SS4 level) and got his energy utilized by his enemy. The Surfer would do the same. Only difference is that the Surfer wouldn't play around with Goku; he'd finish him.
[video=youtube;hnSg6WOY1i4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnSg6WOY1i4[/video]
Considering you know so much about the Surfer, you also know that Surfer was a pacifist up until a couple of years ago when he was made Galactus’ herald again..in other words, guys in DBZ will moreso go for the kill before the Surfer..You’d also know that Surfer doesn’t operate in the same manner as Android 19 and Super 17, since energy from random individuals don’t power him up. He’s powered by the ambient cosmic energy in the universe.
Face it: Goku's power and attacks are energy based.
you learn something new everyday.
Are u REALLY gonna tell me that a fully charged Kamehame wave and/or a Spirit Bomb is even gonna scratch the Surfer?
If you don’t think a fully charged kamehameha wave or spirit bomb will, not only scratch the Surfer but, injure him greatly then you may not be too familiar with the Surfer. The Kame wave at half power is fully capable of destroying planets with ease, what do you think a fully powered one will accomplish?..Surfer has been hurt by less.
I mean, Goku couldn't even survive a point blank blast when Cell detonated himself on King Kai's planet.
Of course not..Cell was packing more power than either Goku or Surfer. You say that like Cell was Ironman level or some shit. Cell had the combined abilities and power of Goku, Piccolo, Vegeta, Androids 17 & 18. And even in that form, the bomb inside of him was more than capable of taking a fully powered Cell out. Had it not been for the remaining cell left behind, Cell wouldn’t have survived either.
Yet, the Surfer is capable of surviving a point blank supa nova blast...which is pretty much the equivalent of the Sun exploding. The Surfer would take Goku's best, absorb it (just like both Androids did) and then use that power against Goku.
Haha like Surfer does this shit. Surfer isn’t going to take Goku’s best ,absorb it, and use it against him, that’s nonsense. Surfer doesn’t fight like that, nor does he get more powerful from absorbing energy from random individuals. I know what he can survive. Surfer may have had his best durability showing when taking on Tenebrous and Aegis. He fought like a G, taking blasts from near Galactus level beings, but It seems like you’re holding on to one or two showings and dismissing all the other times he’s been hurt by far less than a Sun exploding…but let’s just stick with this supernova argument…just how powerful do you think DBZers finishing moves are? How much power does it take to casually destroy a planet? Frieza destroyed a planet while laughing and taking a shit. Frieza, who is a gnat compared to Goku during the Cell Saga didn’t even break a sweat when destroying planet Vegeta. The thing about these guys, is that not only are their random energy blasts powerful, their finishing moves are greatly amplified. Surfer has the power to destroy planets and have destroyed planets before during his fights with Morg and Ravenous. The fight with Ravenous was after his power up, which was a great fight too by the way.
Saiyans have awesome power levels and attacks, but they need to charge them in order for most of them to do epic damage.
Haha, ok. That’s for artistic purposes, unless you think a fight between two combatants actually takes two weeks or more. Unless it’s the spirit bomb, they are capable of just unleashing their finishing attacks at will. However, their random energy blasts are quite capable of doing damage as well
U think the Surfer is gonna sit there and allow that to happen? Not only that, how many times could Goku fire off a kamehame and hit the Surfer before he's exhausted?
The hell? Surfer doesn’t operate like the Flash. He does and will get hit in fights with guys as powerful or more powerful than he is, I mean he gets hit by guys far weaker than him. Goku doesn’t NEED to fire off the k-wave to defeat him. His random energy blasts are plenty powerful. But here’s the thing though, Goku can take it to Surfer physically to, being an above top tier, highly skilled martial arts master. Guys in DBZ actually do fight at superspeeds on a regular basis
Goku has shown over and over that he can't sustain his power levels for an extended amount of time.
He’s shown he can’t sustain his MAXIMUM power level for extended times and that was only in his SSJ3 form. He won’t need to max out against the Surfer. He won’t even need to go SSJ3
He got his SS3 ass handed to him by final form Janemba. He needed to fuse with Vegeta to become Gogeta in order to beat him.
Seriously? Do you understand the concept of powerful opponents? Each opponent in the series gets stronger and stronger. Janemba was no different
This is the same Goku who tired out while fighting Kid Buu and needed the energy from pretty much everyone in the DBZ universe for his Spirit Bomb and help from Shenron's wishes, too. Bottom line is that he couldn't do it offa his own merits.
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Wow. Do you know how the spirit bomb works? You’re acting as though you don’t. Better question, do you know how powerful kid buu was?
Like I said before: the Surfer doesn't need to eat, sleep or drink water in order to survive. The nigga can breathe in ANY environment.
I have most of Silver Surfer books going back to his first volume. He’s one of my favorites. Repeating that he doesn’t require food, sleep and doesn’t need to breathe isn’t helping your argument. Frieza didn’t need any of that shit and he lost too.
He could drop Goku's ass off in the middle of space or the Sun and leave him there.
Haha and Goku will let him? Better yet, let’s count all of the times the Surfer has dragged someone into space or dumped them into the Sun…0..But let’s say he does try this tactic..Goku has flight too you know, not to mention teleportation.
With the Surfer being able to travel faster than the speed of light, having his cosmic awareness, etc., etc., etc., this fight ain't even fair.
Yes he can fly FTL and with amping can even move his limbs at that speed, but unfortunately he doesn’t do any of that. What is cosmic awareness going to accomplish in this fight exactly? Another thing, Goku actually fights hand to hand at these superior speeds, it's not just flight speed
Sorry Man, but the Surfer wins this fight...easily. MAYBE if Goku fused with Gohan, the fight might be somewhat fair.
Maybe if you actually learned more about the Surfer, you’d understand how he truly fights and what he’s truly capable of. Get at me sometime, I can point you in the direction of some of his better story arcs. In fact, the Surfer has a new series starting up on the 16th of this month which I hope is promising.