"content'' the most overrated thing in hiphop and the biggest excuse to hate

[usmarin3]

Like I said before. Dudes like Jay-Z and etc might not talk about the negatives and all the fucked up shit going on in the world, but he does talk about something people are going to relate to. The nigga struggling to feed his kids, riding the city bus to his minimum wage job might not be able to relate to Jay-Z rapping about a new Ferrari, so to him he ain't talking about shit, but the black lawyer or doctor who worked hard to get where he is, who pulls up to his office in his Ferrari damn sure can relate

False. As a young upwardly professional I can't relate to none of the shit he talks about.

Doctors and Lawyers ain't driving maybachs. That's reserved for rich white executives of large corporation.

It's not about the material possession you dimwit, it's about the drive, strive for success. You niggas aren't on the street fighting whitey or shooting AK's in at the oppressers out here but ya'll still manage to relate to these "conscious" rappers.

So anyone who says Jay-Z is one-dimensional is a conscious backpacker huh? That's what this is about usmarin3? That's a logical fallacy. You're correct, Talib and Mos and them are one-dimensional as well. That's why they are rarely discussed in the GOAT conversation-they don't deserve to be there. But when you're talking about rappers like Outkast, Nas, Ice Cube, etc.. they are well rounded artist who bring everything to the table. And you do realize there are more topics than just "money" and "conscious", you're making it seem like that's the end all be all of content. One or the other..

Jay doesn't talk much about his drive and strive. He talks about selling dope in 88, having a lot of material things, and being better than everyone else. I ain't trying to hear that shit b. If I want some real motivation for success I'll listen to a record like "Strong Will Continue".

I didn't say that, don't put words in my mouth. I personally have all those rappers you listed in my top 10 list, and i wouldn't say they all bring everything to the table, some are weaker at certain aspects.

You are completely missing the whole fucking point of this thread. HIPHOP HEADS, PURIST,etc clearly put more weight and emphasis on 'CONSCIOUS'' music, as if it's the end all be all to content. My point is, who the fuck are they to say content has anything to do with skills. People aren't drones, our environment and personality fosters different approach and outlooks on life.

The same neighborhoods that birth MLK, MALCOM are the same neighborhoods that birth Ricky Ross, and Frank Lucas.

So songs like these aren't about wanting more and what not. I didn't even list most of his shit.

So ambitious

Somehow, Someway

Dope Man

New Day

This life is forever

these streets

American Dreaming

December 4

Lucky Me!

 

[jono]

If everyone agreed the world wouldn't be any fun. If hip-hop was one dimensional it wouldn't be any fun.

If your favorite artist is one dimensional just admit that he's one dimensional and move on. Nobody gonna kick your ass over it. If he aint lyrical then just say he aint lyrical and move on.

I listen to rappers that are ignorant and not lyrical also but then again I don't make idiotic comments overrating them either.

I'll give you an example:

I like NORE, grew up on him but he's ignorant as fuck and is not a lyricist by any stretch of the imagination. But you won't see me making topics saying NORE shits on 2Pac because NORE bangs in the whip or something dumb like that.

If you don't want to open yourself up to criticism on that level or if you can't handle criticism of your musical taste then log off and stay outta here.

In the Project Pat topic I talked my shit, it was a discussion thread and people who liked him gave their reasons and told me things I didn't know. Did it change my mind? No. But it forced me to recognize that one man's trash is another man's treasure and that's fine with me.

Nothing said here will change the minds of anyone but discussion can put other people on something they usually wouldn't have listened to or liked.

I'm as open minded as rap nerds come. In fact I talk shit about "Rick Ross" but I'm going to listen to his album...in fact I've heard them all anyway so when I speak my opinion on his I'm not talkin outta my ass.

 

[antarticp]

maybe you should try rapping and you'll find out why content matters

 

[goldenja]

i think wordplay is the most overrated

 

[rip.dilla]

and what is Nas doing, like this nigga ain't a millionaire living in the burbs talking about street disciple. Nigga ain't no street disciple, he doing neighborhood watch.

I think he shot the 'Nasty' video in his hood though

The beginning of the vid was gloss and materialism. The second part was him being a "street disciple"

 

[antarticp]

JONO

Yje one dimensional excuse is fucking convenient too, how are artist like say a Mos Def, Talib, etc not one dimensional too. When do these niggas ever go outside their 5 percent/Muslim style, when was the last time these dudes made a club record, banger,etc. It's cool though, they don't get that ''ONE DIMENSIONAL'' tag because are the ''superior taste'' favorite rappers.

Niggas need to get off their high horses, hiphop has always been about duality.

LOL At you using some of the worst raps songs to make your point, there are great hiphop songs about ice, hoes, flossing,etc that still stands up this day. Franchise Boys is not a accurate representation of great commercial hiphop. Pick a Biggie song, a Jay-z song, a Snoop and Dre song, etc that still stands up 20 years later.

Ya'll need to chill out on the hyperbole, to make your point. I GET AROUND, HOW DO YOU WANT IT,etc stands up just like how DEAR MOMMA, KEEP YOUR HEAD UP till this day.

side note not too sure about Talib ... but Mos got a crazy flow he could kill these party tracks if he wanted to do that ... but hes not like these other artist going for the easy route on some fuck a real job im just going to strip and get that fa$t money type of ish .....

like i said maybe some of yall might want to start writing and youll see the difference and how simple dudes styles are these days ... the thought level that goes into 95% of thier songs are non-existent .... the fact that dudes keep remaking the same ish is enuff proof of thier laziness ... coming up with new concepts or @least building on ones that exist ..... staying on topic .... switching flows ... require more time in putting the ish together .......... and honestly aint nothing wrong with lacking content and just spewing @ the head ... shit ghostface is known for doing the same ..... but when you got everyone following that trend and thier just regurgitating a bunch of bs that been said a million times ..... for a kid coming up it maybe cool cause this is all new to him .. but for someone who's been listening to the music ... and knowing the INCLINE it used to be on as far as creativity and content goes ... its sickening sometimes you know .............................

futher more proof is Lil B was birth and is celebrate during this time in hip hop ... it reflects where we are @ in hip hop ....... back in my day hip hop was birthing new artist like Big Pun, NORE, Canibus .... very sharp lyrical dudes and also very creative .... well nore wasnt that lyrical but dude had a crazy sense of humor and his style probably was the most creative of that time (something like what 2chainz is to the game today) ........ im asking myself how do we go from that to dudes like LIL B ???????

but i will say hip hop is getting better as far as artist goes ...... i say we stilll lack in the content section ... dudes is still doing the same ole same ... everybody smokes weed ... everybody banging .... and those who arent are on some gay / horrorcor stuff ...... altho i fucks with the ODD FUture dudes that are prob the most unique group in hip hop right now .... but they be on some super gay ish and i aint talking about frank ocean ... just peep thier vids and youll see what i mean .... but thats some kids shit ........ maybe im just too grown these days LOL .... i digress lol

 

[BackInWhite]

fuck all that

eminem's content will forever make me a non fan

i don't give a fuck how many times that nigga uses 12 syllable multis in a row in 1 song, if that shit is about killin his cousin and drinkin his blood then i won't fuckin like it

 

[blackrain]

If everyone agreed the world wouldn't be any fun. If hip-hop was one dimensional it wouldn't be any fun.

If your favorite artist is one dimensional just admit that he's one dimensional and move on. Nobody gonna kick your ass over it. If he aint lyrical then just say he aint lyrical and move on.

I listen to rappers that are ignorant and not lyrical also but then again I don't make idiotic comments overrating them either.

I'll give you an example:

I like NORE, grew up on him but he's ignorant as fuck and is not a lyricist by any stretch of the imagination. But you won't see me making topics saying NORE shits on 2Pac because NORE bangs in the whip or something dumb like that.

If you don't want to open yourself up to criticism on that level or if you can't handle criticism of your musical taste then log off and stay outta here.

In the Project Pat topic I talked my shit, it was a discussion thread and people who liked him gave their reasons and told me things I didn't know. Did it change my mind? No. But it forced me to recognize that one man's trash is another man's treasure and that's fine with me.

Nothing said here will change the minds of anyone but discussion can put other people on something they usually wouldn't have listened to or liked.

I'm as open minded as rap nerds come. In fact I talk shit about "Rick Ross" but I'm going to listen to his album...in fact I've heard them all anyway so when I speak my opinion on his I'm not talkin outta my ass.

Alot of fans feel like you can only like one type of rap. They feel like if you love Pimp C there's no way you can listen to Mos Def, and the funny shit is alot of these conscious rappers these dudes love to prop up as the greatest and somehow more intelligent solely for their content LOVE the same ignorant music their fans hate.

 

[jono]

I remember when Kweli agreed to do the song with Gucci, his own fans were shitting on him via twitter. I couldn't believe that shit.

I hate Gucci as much as they do but I understand that for diversity, creativity and sake sometimes you make interesting moves like that. Artists can make moves like that and not lose who they are.

Tech N9ne caught backlash from his own fanbase for Lil Wayne on his album too. People just don't think that it helps to be a fan of everything and nobody is one dimensional like that.

 

[Bodhi]

people have their own taste. Who the fuck are you and i to knock it?

Then why was this thread even made? If people like Mos and Kweli because of their content and dislike Jay and Cole because of theirs or the lack of, why are you complaining? What does it matter to you? Like you said, it's subjective. You be the main one complaining about Jean Grae's content talking about Cole got this and that, be talking about this and that, but Jean don't got that. Thats YOU making arguments based off content, and now you complaining about other people doing that to your favorite rappers

 

[*~queenbee~*]

If everyone agreed the world wouldn't be any fun. If hip-hop was one dimensional it wouldn't be any fun.

If your favorite artist is one dimensional just admit that he's one dimensional and move on. Nobody gonna kick your ass over it. If he aint lyrical then just say he aint lyrical and move on.

I listen to rappers that are ignorant and not lyrical also but then again I don't make idiotic comments overrating them either.

I'll give you an example:

I like NORE, grew up on him but he's ignorant as fuck and is not a lyricist by any stretch of the imagination. But you won't see me making topics saying NORE shits on 2Pac because NORE bangs in the whip or something dumb like that.

If you don't want to open yourself up to criticism on that level or if you can't handle criticism of your musical taste then log off and stay outta here.

In the Project Pat topic I talked my shit, it was a discussion thread and people who liked him gave their reasons and told me things I didn't know. Did it change my mind? No. But it forced me to recognize that one man's trash is another man's treasure and that's fine with me.

Nothing said here will change the minds of anyone but discussion can put other people on something they usually wouldn't have listened to or liked.

I'm as open minded as rap nerds come. In fact I talk shit about "Rick Ross" but I'm going to listen to his album...in fact I've heard them all anyway so when I speak my opinion on his I'm not talkin outta my ass.

Alot of fans feel like you can only like one type of rap. They feel like if you love Pimp C there's no way you can listen to Mos Def, and the funny shit is alot of these conscious rappers these dudes love to prop up as the greatest and somehow more intelligent solely for their content LOVE the same ignorant music their fans hate.

Yep, and be the biggest hypocrites. A lot of those dudes don't practice what they preach, especially that fake ass conscious no pork eating motherfucka Mos Def.

 

[huey]

Content matters.

When people make legitimate complaints about hip-hop its usually regarding the content.

It doesn't take much skill to rap about money, bitches, or cars. That's why so many do it.

LOL who do you think complains about hiphop, the same elitist niggas. The average person who is not a head don't give two fucks or get caught up in commercial vs underground nonsense. The average person listen to rap to be entertain, nothing more.

These aren't elitists.
http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2012/01/06/columbus-school-apologizes-for-song-lyrics.html
http://www.lemondrop.com/2009/06/26/that-s-a-rap-music-still-putting-down-women/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1548682/Obama-hits-out-at-rappers-who-degrade-women.html

I doubt this young boy is influenced by Immortal Technique or Canibus. I doubt he or his parents even know who the fuck they are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...oref=http://www.youtube.com/embed/YDClZJLkCHg

LMAO

http://gifsoup.com/

 

[moedays]

Different eras value different things, I guess. I came up in the "golden age" of hip hop where lyrics and lyrical content was important. This era seems to value the material things a little more. I was 14 in 88 when Slick Rick, PE, Kane, Kool G Rap and those artist helped form the way I feel about hip hop today. Content is underrated, imo.

 

[Lab Baby]

I see it like this... my favorite rapper is Redman, and he hasn't talked about much in 20+ years other than smoking weed. At the same time, Mumo X has a point... the best artists evolve over time. Hip hop is mostly a young man's game, and you're mostly gonna hear what that they're going through at the time, which is nothing short of partying, gettin money and fuckin bitches. Sure you got dudes like Nas and Pac, but they come once in a blue moon.

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

So this is a Jay Z caping thread? Nigga caught feelings cuz of the props Life is Good has been getting and the fact that Jigga been rapping bout the same shit since 96 and all of the sudden content doesn't matter...lmao....

 

[BackInWhite]

So this is a Jay Z caping thread? Nigga caught feelings cuz of the props Life is Good has been getting and the fact that Jigga been rapping bout the same shit since 96 and all of the sudden content doesn't matter...lmao....

duh, nigga

look who made the thread

 

[loch121]

Black music can be such a powerful force that it's pity when it goes to waste.

Music can be so much more than something to dance to or background music

because of the content of hip hop it made it's mark

it was a new perspective that was aggressive,honest,and down to earth

We lost that with the fake shit and niggas ain't saying shit

if that's what you like you have a right to have bad taste

And I'm far from a nerd ass nigga.Just a hip hop nigga

 

[Nile Gambino]

not all hiphop should be talking about swag and bitches and ballin to me hiphop is a message then it's a religion it's a big source of information to me like the internet provides me with ebooks and articles it's a cultural education so fuck swag hop it's cool but not all the time you in da club

 

[loch121]

Like I said before. Dudes like Jay-Z and etc might not talk about the negatives and all the fucked up shit going on in the world, but he does talk about something people are going to relate to. The nigga struggling to feed his kids, riding the city bus to his minimum wage job might not be able to relate to Jay-Z rapping about a new Ferrari, so to him he ain't talking about shit, but the black lawyer or doctor who worked hard to get where he is, who pulls up to his office in his Ferrari damn sure can relate

Jay has touched on many race and political issues

 

[Elzo69Renaissance]

Dance and pop music the only genre where content should nt matter like that......