"content'' the most overrated thing in hiphop and the biggest excuse to hate

[P. Town]

Like I said before. Dudes like Jay-Z and etc might not talk about the negatives and all the fucked up shit going on in the world, but he does talk about something people are going to relate to. The nigga struggling to feed his kids, riding the city bus to his minimum wage job might not be able to relate to Jay-Z rapping about a new Ferrari, so to him he ain't talking about shit, but the black lawyer or doctor who worked hard to get where he is, who pulls up to his office in his Ferrari damn sure can relate

 

[buttuh_b]

If it's subjective then how is it not important when forming an opinion? That makes no sense at all. It may not be important to you but to the people who are actually into music, content is one of the most important aspects. Especially in rap where the focal point is on lyrics and drums more than anything compared to other genres, you gon get tired of hearing a rapper talk about the same shit over and over again, hence why you listen to a variety of rappers. More versatile rappers like Nas get more burn from me because they can keep me engaged with their creativity.

 

[usmarin3]

JONO

Yje one dimensional excuse is fucking convenient too, how are artist like say a Mos Def, Talib, etc not one dimensional too. When do these niggas ever go outside their 5 percent/Muslim style, when was the last time these dudes made a club record, banger,etc. It's cool though, they don't get that ''ONE DIMENSIONAL'' tag because are the ''superior taste'' favorite rappers.

Niggas need to get off their high horses, hiphop has always been about duality.

LOL At you using some of the worst raps songs to make your point, there are great hiphop songs about ice, hoes, flossing,etc that still stands up this day. Franchise Boys is not a accurate representation of great commercial hiphop. Pick a Biggie song, a Jay-z song, a Snoop and Dre song, etc that still stands up 20 years later.

Ya'll need to chill out on the hyperbole, to make your point. I GET AROUND, HOW DO YOU WANT IT,etc stands up just like how DEAR MOMMA, KEEP YOUR HEAD UP till this day.

 

[buttuh_b]

Like I said before. Dudes like Jay-Z and etc might not talk about the negatives and all the fucked up shit going on in the world, but he does talk about something people are going to relate to. The nigga struggling to feed his kids, riding the city bus to his minimum wage job might not be able to relate to Jay-Z rapping about a new Ferrari, so to him he ain't talking about shit, but the black lawyer or doctor who worked hard to get where he is, who pulls up to his office in his Ferrari damn sure can relate

False. As a young upwardly professional I can't relate to none of the shit he talks about.

Doctors and Lawyers ain't driving maybachs. That's reserved for rich white executives of large corporation.

 

[cobbland]

Content matters.

When people make legitimate complaints about hip-hop its usually regarding the content.

It doesn't take much skill to rap about money, bitches, or cars. That's why so many do it.

LOL who do you think complains about hiphop, the same elitist niggas. The average person who is not a head don't give two fucks or get caught up in commercial vs underground nonsense. The average person listen to rap to be entertain, nothing more.

These aren't elitists.
http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2012/01/06/columbus-school-apologizes-for-song-lyrics.html
http://www.lemondrop.com/2009/06/26/that-s-a-rap-music-still-putting-down-women/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1548682/Obama-hits-out-at-rappers-who-degrade-women.html

I doubt this young boy is influenced by Immortal Technique or Canibus. I doubt he or his parents even know who the fuck they are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...oref=http://www.youtube.com/embed/YDClZJLkCHg

 

[usmarin3]

Like I said before. Dudes like Jay-Z and etc might not talk about the negatives and all the fucked up shit going on in the world, but he does talk about something people are going to relate to. The nigga struggling to feed his kids, riding the city bus to his minimum wage job might not be able to relate to Jay-Z rapping about a new Ferrari, so to him he ain't talking about shit, but the black lawyer or doctor who worked hard to get where he is, who pulls up to his office in his Ferrari damn sure can relate

False. As a young upwardly professional I can't relate to none of the shit he talks about.

Doctors and Lawyers ain't driving maybachs. That's reserved for rich white executives of large corporation.

It's not about the material possession you dimwit, it's about the drive, strive for success. You niggas aren't on the street fighting whitey or shooting AK's in at the oppressers out here but ya'll still manage to relate to these "conscious" rappers.

 

[rip.dilla]

I reckon millions of Jay-Z's fans aren't multi-millionaires like he is

So when does his musical "content" appease those fans?

 

[usmarin3]

If it's subjective then how is it not important when forming an opinion? That makes no sense at all. It may not be important to you but to the people who are actually into music, content is one of the most important aspects. Especially in rap where the focal point is on lyrics and drums more than anything compared to other genres, you gon get tired of hearing a rapper talk about the same shit over and over again, hence why you listen to a variety of rappers. More versatile rappers like Nas get more burn from me because they can keep me engaged with their creativity.

You can judge something from a technical point of view. I don't have to relate to a movie like Godfather 2 to understand it's a well directed movie and the cinematography is flawless. After all, that's why it's called art, art should just be.

People can read a book and watch a movie for what it is, but all of a sudden ya'll need to relate to a album. Pure nonsense!

 

[P. Town]

Like I said before. Dudes like Jay-Z and etc might not talk about the negatives and all the fucked up shit going on in the world, but he does talk about something people are going to relate to. The nigga struggling to feed his kids, riding the city bus to his minimum wage job might not be able to relate to Jay-Z rapping about a new Ferrari, so to him he ain't talking about shit, but the black lawyer or doctor who worked hard to get where he is, who pulls up to his office in his Ferrari damn sure can relate

False. As a young upwardly professional I can't relate to none of the shit he talks about.

Doctors and Lawyers ain't driving maybachs. That's reserved for rich white executives of large corporation.

You can't relate to it, but somebody can. Hell, Jay could be making music for other rappers to relate to. Ya'll need to get this idea out of your head that everybody is depressed, struggling, mad as hell, and gives a fuck about the negatives going on in this country. There are happy people, there are niggas with money who don't want to do shit, but spend they money, fuck hoes, and act a ass. There is some kingpin hiding somewhere who can relate to whoever rapping about however many bricks he done sold.

 

[buttuh_b]

Like I said before. Dudes like Jay-Z and etc might not talk about the negatives and all the fucked up shit going on in the world, but he does talk about something people are going to relate to. The nigga struggling to feed his kids, riding the city bus to his minimum wage job might not be able to relate to Jay-Z rapping about a new Ferrari, so to him he ain't talking about shit, but the black lawyer or doctor who worked hard to get where he is, who pulls up to his office in his Ferrari damn sure can relate

False. As a young upwardly professional I can't relate to none of the shit he talks about.

Doctors and Lawyers ain't driving maybachs. That's reserved for rich white executives of large corporation.

It's not about the material possession you dimwit, it's about the drive, strive for success. You niggas aren't on the street fighting whitey or shooting AK's in at the oppressers out here but ya'll still manage to relate to these "conscious" rappers.

So anyone who says Jay-Z is one-dimensional is a conscious backpacker huh? That's what this is about usmarin3? That's a logical fallacy. You're correct, Talib and Mos and them are one-dimensional as well. That's why they are rarely discussed in the GOAT conversation-they don't deserve to be there. But when you're talking about rappers like Outkast, Nas, Ice Cube, etc.. they are well rounded artist who bring everything to the table. And you do realize there are more topics than just "money" and "conscious", you're making it seem like that's the end all be all of content. One or the other..

Jay doesn't talk much about his drive and strive. He talks about selling dope in 88, having a lot of material things, and being better than everyone else. I ain't trying to hear that shit b. If I want some real motivation for success I'll listen to a record like "Strong Will Continue".

 

[buttuh_b]

If it's subjective then how is it not important when forming an opinion? That makes no sense at all. It may not be important to you but to the people who are actually into music, content is one of the most important aspects. Especially in rap where the focal point is on lyrics and drums more than anything compared to other genres, you gon get tired of hearing a rapper talk about the same shit over and over again, hence why you listen to a variety of rappers. More versatile rappers like Nas get more burn from me because they can keep me engaged with their creativity.

You can judge something from a technical point of view. I don't have to relate to a movie like Godfather 2 to understand it's a well directed movie and the cinematography is flawless. After all, that's why it's called art, art should just be.

People can read a book and watch a movie for what it is, but all of a sudden ya'll need to relate to a album. Pure nonsense!

Where in that post did I say anything about relating? I said the shit gets repetitive. If a director makes a film about the same thing 20 different times he probably isn't the greatest director. He's a "niche" director just like Tech N9ne is a "niche" rapper to you.

 

[jono]

I'm going to bypass most of the nonsense you posted in the Titangraph and focus on your main points. For the record Kweli did make club songs, he just did it in his own way "Get By" is a club record...he works with artists like UGK, Gucci Mane etc, he diversified his albums without losing who he is.

Franchise Boys is not a accurate

representation of great commercial hiphop. Pick a

Biggie song, a Jay-z song, a Snoop and Dre song,

etc that still stands up 20 years later.

The reason Jay, BIG, Snoop & Dre are still relevant is because they have all touched on more than one subject. They didn't allow themselves to be pigeonholed into only doing certain kinds of records.

You proved my point for me...I appreciate it.

The shit niggas are listening to now won't list 20 years. You will be talking about all these jokers the same way you disregarded Dem Franchise Boyz. How hypocritical of you...I guarantee you would have defended them years ago, like you are defending the same wack shit right now.

Years ago it was D4L, and people like T/S screamed "OMGZZZ You'z nerdie nigras, need to loosten up!11"

And now its fuck them let's talk about MC such and such and in a few years it'll be "awww mc such and such aint even relebant talk about some1 else!11"

That's my whole point. I want artists to have long careers and makes tons of money and they do that by reinventing themselves and doing new things. What's hot right now won't be hot forever but truly great music and great artists are eternal.

 

[buttuh_b]

Like I said before. Dudes like Jay-Z and etc might not talk about the negatives and all the fucked up shit going on in the world, but he does talk about something people are going to relate to. The nigga struggling to feed his kids, riding the city bus to his minimum wage job might not be able to relate to Jay-Z rapping about a new Ferrari, so to him he ain't talking about shit, but the black lawyer or doctor who worked hard to get where he is, who pulls up to his office in his Ferrari damn sure can relate

False. As a young upwardly professional I can't relate to none of the shit he talks about.

Doctors and Lawyers ain't driving maybachs. That's reserved for rich white executives of large corporation.

You can't relate to it, but somebody can. Hell, Jay could be making music for other rappers to relate to. Ya'll need to get this idea out of your head that everybody is depressed, struggling, mad as hell, and gives a fuck about the negatives going on in this country. There are happy people, there are niggas with money who don't want to do shit, but spend they money, fuck hoes, and act a ass. There is some kingpin hiding somewhere who can relate to whoever rapping about however many bricks he done sold.

So if a rapper isn't rapping about millions it has to be about a depressed world? It's more things in the world than just being rich as hell or broke as fuck. The majority of people live a regular life which are neither of these extremes. It's so many more layers in life than this limited subject matter yall feel is out there.

No one is saying there isn't a place for this type of content but you still gotta recognize it as content and an important aspect of said artist. It's retarded to dismiss content as unimportant. That's like saying the organs inside your body don't matter, just what we see on the outside.

 

[rip.dilla]

Jay is like these rich church pastors/reverends. They get richer while their flock are in mouth gaping awe and getting poorer with each passing year

 

[blackrain]

There is a certain uppity ass group of rap music fans who think talking about certain things makes a rapper better than another. Just like some say it takes no skill to rap about money and women, it really doesn't take much skill to watch the news or read a book and simply repeat the shit you heard/read. And we often see rappers do this shit and end up making themselves look stupid misquoting facts *See Nas' I Can for a perfect example

But there is something to be said for a rapper that can rap about more than the same 1-2 topics all the time. It shows versatility. There's nothing wrong with being good at rapping about 1 or 2 things REALLY good, too many criticize rappers for that, but there is something to be said about a rapper that can switch topics and still make a good song whether it be about women, cars, money, political, history, street shit etc...

 

[usmarin3]

Jay is like these rich church pastors/reverends. They get richer while their flock are in mouth gaping awe andgetting poorer with each passing year

and what is Nas doing, like this nigga ain't a millionaire living in the burbs talking about street disciple. Nigga ain't no street disciple, he doing neighborhood watch.

 

[P. Town]

Like I said before. Dudes like Jay-Z and etc might not talk about the negatives and all the fucked up shit going on in the world, but he does talk about something people are going to relate to. The nigga struggling to feed his kids, riding the city bus to his minimum wage job might not be able to relate to Jay-Z rapping about a new Ferrari, so to him he ain't talking about shit, but the black lawyer or doctor who worked hard to get where he is, who pulls up to his office in his Ferrari damn sure can relate

False. As a young upwardly professional I can't relate to none of the shit he talks about.

Doctors and Lawyers ain't driving maybachs. That's reserved for rich white executives of large corporation.

You can't relate to it, but somebody can. Hell, Jay could be making music for other rappers to relate to. Ya'll need to get this idea out of your head that everybody is depressed, struggling, mad as hell, and gives a fuck about the negatives going on in this country. There are happy people, there are niggas with money who don't want to do shit, but spend they money, fuck hoes, and act a ass. There is some kingpin hiding somewhere who can relate to whoever rapping about however many bricks he done sold.

So if a rapper isn't rapping about millions it has to be about a depressed world? It's more things in the world than just being rich as hell or broke as fuck. The majority of people live a regular life which are neither of these extremes. It's so many more layers in life than this limited subject matter yall feel is out there.

No one is saying there isn't a place for this type of content but you still gotta recognize it as content and an important aspect of said artist. It's retarded to dismiss content as unimportant. That's like saying the organs inside your body don't matter, just what we see on the outside.

I'm not saying it's not important. I'm just saying it's not important to everybody.

 

[buttuh_b]

Like I said before. Dudes like Jay-Z and etc might not talk about the negatives and all the fucked up shit going on in the world, but he does talk about something people are going to relate to. The nigga struggling to feed his kids, riding the city bus to his minimum wage job might not be able to relate to Jay-Z rapping about a new Ferrari, so to him he ain't talking about shit, but the black lawyer or doctor who worked hard to get where he is, who pulls up to his office in his Ferrari damn sure can relate

False. As a young upwardly professional I can't relate to none of the shit he talks about.

Doctors and Lawyers ain't driving maybachs. That's reserved for rich white executives of large corporation.

You can't relate to it, but somebody can. Hell, Jay could be making music for other rappers to relate to. Ya'll need to get this idea out of your head that everybody is depressed, struggling, mad as hell, and gives a fuck about the negatives going on in this country. There are happy people, there are niggas with money who don't want to do shit, but spend they money, fuck hoes, and act a ass. There is some kingpin hiding somewhere who can relate to whoever rapping about however many bricks he done sold.

So if a rapper isn't rapping about millions it has to be about a depressed world? It's more things in the world than just being rich as hell or broke as fuck. The majority of people live a regular life which are neither of these extremes. It's so many more layers in life than this limited subject matter yall feel is out there.

No one is saying there isn't a place for this type of content but you still gotta recognize it as content and an important aspect of said artist. It's retarded to dismiss content as unimportant. That's like saying the organs inside your body don't matter, just what we see on the outside.

I'm not saying it's not important. I'm just saying it's not important to everybody.

That's fair. But T/S is arguing that content isn't important and other things are. That's his opinion but the only way he can substantiate his claim is that it's "subjective".

Basically, T/S is a Jay-Z stan and the only reason he made this thread is because people criticize Jay's content. That's it.

Content isn't important but Drake is clearly a better technical and lyrical MC than J. Cole but people dislike his content so they place J. Cole above him. Yes content isn't important.

 

[buttuh_b]

Waiting for @usmarin3 to rebuke my earlier argument upon revelations that I'm not a "backpacker" and Talib isn't in my top 50.

 

[*~queenbee~*]

so yall cool with niggas rappin about suckin dick and gay shit as long as his wordplay dope?

Yes!

@usmarin3 WTF does content have to do with someone's ability to rap, especially when people relate to different shit for different reason. I see the word used as a crutch for the conscious/underground hiphop fans all the time when they want to argue for artist like a Mos Def, Talib,etc and i don't know why. To me what makes a rapper great is his ability to paint pictures using skills (flow,delivery,storytelling,wordplay,etc), not what he raps about per se. A great mc can make any subject matter interesting imo, be that subject be about ice, bitches, cars, the struggle,politics,etc.

Niggas need to chill with that "i have superior taste" snobbish bs.

If it's subjective then how is it not important when forming an opinion? That makes no sense at all. It may not be important to you but to the people who are actually into music, content is one of the most important aspects. Especially in rap where the focal point is on lyrics and drums more than anything compared to other genres, you gon get tired of hearing a rapper talk about the same shit over and over again, hence why you listen to a variety of rappers. More versatile rappers like Nas get more burn from me because they can keep me engaged with their creativity.

You can judge something from a technical point of view. I don't have to relate to a movie like Godfather 2 to understand it's a well directed movie and the cinematography is flawless. After all, that's why it's called art, art should just be.

People can read a book and watch a movie for what it is, but all of a sudden ya'll need to relate to a album. Pure nonsense!

I don't know about you all, but this seems like a big contradiction to me.