Comparin' blacks to gays...

[blackrain]

even though lunch counters and public schools were desegregated, the pocketbooks never were because most of our leaders never lived to see the plan all the way through.

so even though at the time it seemed like we won, many of our systematic problems still persist til this day in all classes. we still have work to do.

once gays get marriage approved as well as other basic civil rights nationwide that you and young mentioned, the struggle is over. for us, after 1969 it just entered another faze.

that struggle won't be over...that is just the legal aspect of it...you still have to combat the things in society that help to create and ensure the mindset that homosexuals are the ultimate deviants of society and should be burned in hell...that being gay is such an abnormality that people should have it beaten out of them...those aren't things the law/government can dictate...just as with desegregation they could put blacks/whites in school together but they couldn't force people to mentally rid themselves of their racist attitudes

 

[musicology1985]

that struggle won't be over...that is just the legal aspect of it...you still have to combat the things in society that help to create and ensure the mindset that homosexuals are the ultimate deviants of society and should be burned in hell...that being gay is such an abnormality that people should have it beaten out of them...those aren't things the law/government can dictate...just as with desegregation they could put blacks/whites in school together but they couldn't force people to mentally rid themselves of their racist attitudes

I just can't agree with this, because when I look at Hollywood, the Music Industry, Fashion Industry, Event Planning Industry and Cosmetic/Modeling Industry and Politics, I see many Gays with the power to override the decisions of any black man or women.

Yes some gays are the victims of abuse and they should have all basic civil rights, but I see the whole situation as being blown out of proportion.

 

[musicology1985]

blackrain just look at Juan Williams (a black Panamanian American such as yourself) and all of the work that he's done for Fox News and he still does not have his own show. all classes of blacks still have to fight or we will continue to lose more and more.

 

[blackrain]

I just can't agree with this, because when I look at Hollywood, the Music Industry, Fashion Industry, Event Planning Industry and Cosmetic/Modeling Industry and Politics, I see many Gays with the power to override the decisions of any black man or women.

Yes some gays are the victims of abuse and they should have all basic civil rights, but I see the whole situation as being blown out of proportion.

there are plenty of gay black men and women so that comment there makes no sense...and having power in the entertainment industry doesn't mean shit when it comes to civil rights...the government>>>>the fashion world...the government>>>>hollywood...the government>>>>the music industry...there's no way those industries have more power/pull than the US government...the government decides "Being gay is mental disorder" again guess what...not shit making a movie, some clothing lines, and a cd can do to change that...

 

[blackrain]

blackrain just look at Juan Williams (a black Panamanian American such as yourself) and all of the work that he's done for Fox News and he still does not have his own show. all classes of blacks still have to fight or we will continue to lose more and more.

when did I ever say or hint at anything different?

 

[ceothachosen1]

both minorities both oppressed, discriminated against and denied civil rights definitely some similarities

 

[musicology1985]

there are plenty of gay black men and women so that comment there makes no sense...and having power in the entertainment industry doesn't mean shit when it comes to civil rights...the government>>>>the fashion world...the government>>>>hollywood...the government>>>>the music industry...there's no way those industries have more power/pull than the US government...the government decides "Being gay is mental disorder" again guess what...not shit making a movie, some clothing lines, and a cd can do to change that...

I know that there is plenty of gay black people, but they are mainly discriminated against for being black, not gay..And those black gays are still not as powerful as the white ones. As far as the gov, they are conceding...Especially since many of them are Gay as well. I just don't see the struggle for them continuing after the legal battles are done because the economic might is already there.

 

[bless the child]

The right to get married in most states. The right to adopt in most states. Until very recently, the right to serve openly in the military. Etc. I could go on. But what's the point?

So pretty much its not a fight for individual rights, its a fight to be recognized as equals with the straight couple?

 

[blackrain]

I know that there is plenty of gay black people, but they are mainly discriminated against for being black, not gay..And those black gays are still not as powerful as the white ones. As far as the gov, they are conceding...Especially since many of them are Gay as well. I just don't see the struggle for them continuing after the legal battles are done because the economic might is already there.

if you think having the legal rights will automatically change the mentalities of people who enacted those discriminatory practices to begin with, then that would have automatically eliminated racism once Jim Crow laws were eliminated...

 

[musicology1985]

when did I ever say or hint at anything different?

when you said it's not the same as it was before for blacks....which it is, just in a different form. forgetting that will cause further losses which is why the Jews never forget...Neither should blacks.

 

[Jonas.dini]

While I agree 100% with this shit, I was talking more about institutionalized shit. There are or were until very recently, documented laws and polices forbidding gay marriage, openly serving in the military. Gotta overcome systemic, oppressive shit that is sanctioned by the government before you can tackle those other things that are just common practice but have no basis in documented law.

Well first of all I agree with everything you've been saying in this thread, so not really arguing with the bigger point, but that kind of workplace protection is engrained in law for other minority groups.

 

[musicology1985]

if you think having the legal rights will automatically change the mentalities of people who enacted those discriminatory practices to begin with, then that would have automatically eliminated racism once Jim Crow laws were eliminated...

blacks forgot about the collective economic aspect of the fight (which is why Jim Crow was enacted in the first place), which the Jews and Gays have not.

 

[blackrain]

when you said it's not the same as it was before for blacks....which it is, just in a different form. forgetting that will cause further losses which is why the Jews never forget...Neither should blacks.

just because it's not the same doesn't mean there isn't still things to fight against...but let's be honest...many of the issues black americans in the past had to worry about doesn't even cross the mind of a good portion of black americans today because it's not a part of their daily reality...back then you HAD to know what was going on...you were a social outcast if you didn't...now shit only happens when it gets way too serious...niggas only come into action when something makes the news...people were battling discrimination 24/7 then...now that shit is a part-time job for most

 

[R.D.]

Just agree to disagree

Fuck Gay Rights Groups, Fuck what they fighting for, and Fuck you if you think its ok for anybody to mention, compare, or reference the Civil rights fight of Black people in relation to Gay people and their made up fight and agendas

 

[blackrain]

]blacks forgot about the collective economic aspect of the figh[/B]t (which is why Jim Crow was enacted in the first place), which the Jews and Gays have not.

interesting...what do you think caused that to be forgotten...as much as supporting black business is preached, why is it rarely put into action?

 

[Sovo_Nah]

Gay people will get their basic civil rights before Black people.

all they want is to legally get married and recieve benefits like any other person.

 

[musicology1985]

interesting...what do you think caused that to be forgotten...as much as supporting black business is preached, why is it rarely put into action?

when we lost the middle and upper class of black America after integration to black flight as well as the onset of the drug era, many business families (mine included) were not able to compete with white competition and prices. at the same time, other immigrants came in and took advantage of those businesses in majority black areas.

however, the ones that we didn't let go (funeral homes, churches, restaurants, barber shops and beauty salons) are still active and supported by blacks til this day. it's just that we have few services and jobs that blacks can provide for their own. once that's done the struggle will be over for us too, just like it was for the jews.

 

[Recaptimus_Prime360]

5hrs late but still cosigning this thread. Our struggles is not the same.

400 yrs of slavery, racism, discrimination, injustice, segregation based off the color of our skin>>>>>>>a lifestyle that someone CHOOSES.

You can hide being gay. I can't hide being black. And don't give me that "some folks was born gay" bs excuse. Being gay is a LIFESTYLE, not a RACE. people need to start learning the difference.

 

[Knives Amilli]

will someone who supports this comparison explain why they dont compare their struggle to other oppressed groups (ie Jews)....

The Black civil rights movement is the most recent and is quite possibly, the most relevant civil rights movement of all time. Most people are still quite aware of it.

Maybe you could make an argument saying that some gays purposely invoke the Blk. Civil Rights movement for propaganda. But id say many genuinely feel a sense of inspiration from it, and feel they're carrying the torch for the continued overall struggle for the equal treatment of humans. Hence why they make the comparison.

And the Jews collectively are the extreme end of what happens when you hold an eternal pity party for your struggle. They've become such privileged douchebags that calling them out on anything collectively gets you looked at sideways. Shit try to mention or compare the holocaust (which they play up as the worst thing to happen ever) and you will get buried.

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[Recaptimus_Prime360]

just because it's not the same doesn't mean there isn't still things to fight against...but let's be honest...many of the issues black americans in the past had to worry about doesn't even cross the mind of a good portion of black americans today because it's not a part of their daily reality...back then you HAD to know what was going on...you were a social outcast if you didn't...now shit only happens when it gets way too serious...niggas only come into action when something makes the news...people were battling discrimination 24/7 then...now that shit is a part-time job for most

Sad but true.