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DreadlockRasta;6097907 said:desertrain10;6097866 said:DreadlockRasta;6097767 said:Riddle me this all against Don Lemon, why is it that minorities from other countries set foot on this land and are able to have better education and jobs than our brothers born and raised here? Simply put, we're lazy! Not saying all but the majority are which contributes or affirms to the stereotypes. Some forumer talking about white people do it too so we need to focus on them...#foolish thoughts
you serious? lol @ african americans just being lazy
legal immigrants still lag behide white naive born americans, and illegal immigrants fair much worst then african americans in every economic measure
really most the legal immigrants who are doing very well for themselves, are here because they have HB1 visas which are only given to the best and brightest a country has to offer
not to mention its very expensive and much is required of an immigrant entering into this country LEGALLY... they come here, unlike some their counterparts back in their home country, only because they have the means and will
with that said comparing any immigrant group to virtually any native born group is like comparing the most ambitious members of one team with the entirety of another team.
also after taking into account the effect of 15 wage-related characteristics, Haitian men and African men do substantially worse than U.S.-born black men. Analyses of unemployment and poverty rates show that U.S.-born and foreign-born black populations are also worse off than U.S.-born whites on these measures.http://www.epi.org/publication/the_low_wages_of_black_immigrants/
Dude please next time you quote me and expect a counter-response, read my post in its entirety thank you. With that said, you need to account for the generation gap. You cannot compare foreigners who come here to work in less than stellar jobs to those who go to school and earn a degree. Every one of my friends (I'm Ghanaian and my circle of friends include other Africans/Indians/Pakistanians etc) has a college degree with about 90% of those degrees earned in the sciences.
The link you've posted bothers on disambiguation at best brah, come again!
desertrain10;6097971 said:DreadlockRasta;6097907 said:desertrain10;6097866 said:DreadlockRasta;6097767 said:Riddle me this all against Don Lemon, why is it that minorities from other countries set foot on this land and are able to have better education and jobs than our brothers born and raised here? Simply put, we're lazy! Not saying all but the majority are which contributes or affirms to the stereotypes. Some forumer talking about white people do it too so we need to focus on them...#foolish thoughts
you serious? lol @ african americans just being lazy
legal immigrants still lag behide white naive born americans, and illegal immigrants fair much worst then african americans in every economic measure
really most the legal immigrants who are doing very well for themselves, are here because they have HB1 visas which are only given to the best and brightest a country has to offer
not to mention its very expensive and much is required of an immigrant entering into this country LEGALLY... they come here, unlike some their counterparts back in their home country, only because they have the means and will
with that said comparing any immigrant group to virtually any native born group is like comparing the most ambitious members of one team with the entirety of another team.
also after taking into account the effect of 15 wage-related characteristics, Haitian men and African men do substantially worse than U.S.-born black men. Analyses of unemployment and poverty rates show that U.S.-born and foreign-born black populations are also worse off than U.S.-born whites on these measures.http://www.epi.org/publication/the_low_wages_of_black_immigrants/
Dude please next time you quote me and expect a counter-response, read my post in its entirety thank you. With that said, you need to account for the generation gap. You cannot compare foreigners who come here to work in less than stellar jobs to those who go to school and earn a degree. Every one of my friends (I'm Ghanaian and my circle of friends include other Africans/Indians/Pakistanians etc) has a college degree with about 90% of those degrees earned in the sciences.
The link you've posted bothers on disambiguation at best brah, come again!
smh. you basically said most foreign born minorities are fairing better then american minorities in america because the majority of native americans are lazy
considering the forum and op as well as the fact that native born whites still fair better then first generation immigrants of most races, i'm assuming you were mainly addressing african americans lack of work ethic
with that said now, reread my post
matter of fact, i'll break it down to you even further ....considering you are ghanaian
1. its very hard to get into america
2. immigrants specifically come to this country to capitalize and exploit opportunity....more times then not if they come here legally they are either wealthy/ middle income, and very well educated or all the above. therefore comparing any immigrant group to virtually any native born group is like comparing the most ambitious members of one team with the entirety of another team...or in words to compare the two is dumb...
get it? lol
i also was making the point that skin color also plays a factor in how poorly immigrants fair economically as well. which should tell you that work ethic or lack there of is not the issue but race
it was interesting how you didn't address what's happened to black people in this country post slavery either. think we can agree that america had slaves most countries did. but very few followed it up with the klan and jim crow
kzzl;6097996 said:The worst thing you can do is throw another black person under the bus in front of whites. It's like them black cops that be getting all in your face, acting all extra, showing out in front of white cops. They wanna be down with they white peoples so bad, not realizing how easily the tables will be turned. And this fool does it on national t.v. Agreeing with Bill O'reilly and Faux news of all people.
He's got them tap dancing shoes shined up real nice look like.
Ioniz3dSPIRITZ;6097189 said:taeboo;6097157 said:Stopitfive;6097091 said:taeboo;6097083 said:Constructive criticism is all fine and dandy, but everything time black people voice a legit concern. Certain people would rather distract us by bringing up other probleucture are very important issues... He wasn't really talking about or denying injustice in the courts...
I never said that thosems, then actually face the actual issue at hand. Sagging pants, education, nor 2 parent households have nothing to do with the obvious injustices that are in our current court system.
Let me stop u...
Education and family str issues aren't important, but what does education or family structure have to do with racial profiling or a young man getting shot and his murderer getting off? That is what is at the center of this whole topic being talked about on news networks correct?
I know this probably a diversion of the discussion. What do you think has been more damaging to our people as whole; the destruction of our family and educational values or being a victim of racial profiling? What issues should logically be tackled first?
DreadlockRasta;6098003 said:kzzl;6097996 said:The worst thing you can do is throw another black person under the bus in front of whites. It's like them black cops that be getting all in your face, acting all extra, showing out in front of white cops. They wanna be down with they white peoples so bad, not realizing how easily the tables will be turned. And this fool does it on national t.v. Agreeing with Bill O'reilly and Faux news of all people.
He's got them tap dancing shoes shined up real nice look like.
What i'll say is this; it does not feel any minute exhilarating to be the only black person in a lecture hall or any event. Not every black person who criticizes his community is cooning for the white man. Exactly what is so wrong with the point he's trying to prove?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/don-lemo...people-to-dress-appropriately’/#disqus_thread
DreadlockRasta;6097989 said:desertrain10;6097971 said:DreadlockRasta;6097907 said:desertrain10;6097866 said:DreadlockRasta;6097767 said:Riddle me this all against Don Lemon, why is it that minorities from other countries set foot on this land and are able to have better education and jobs than our brothers born and raised here? Simply put, we're lazy! Not saying all but the majority are which contributes or affirms to the stereotypes. Some forumer talking about white people do it too so we need to focus on them...#foolish thoughts
you serious? lol @ african americans just being lazy
legal immigrants still lag behide white naive born americans, and illegal immigrants fair much worst then african americans in every economic measure
really most the legal immigrants who are doing very well for themselves, are here because they have HB1 visas which are only given to the best and brightest a country has to offer
not to mention its very expensive and much is required of an immigrant entering into this country LEGALLY... they come here, unlike some their counterparts back in their home country, only because they have the means and will
with that said comparing any immigrant group to virtually any native born group is like comparing the most ambitious members of one team with the entirety of another team.
also after taking into account the effect of 15 wage-related characteristics, Haitian men and African men do substantially worse than U.S.-born black men. Analyses of unemployment and poverty rates show that U.S.-born and foreign-born black populations are also worse off than U.S.-born whites on these measures.http://www.epi.org/publication/the_low_wages_of_black_immigrants/
Dude please next time you quote me and expect a counter-response, read my post in its entirety thank you. With that said, you need to account for the generation gap. You cannot compare foreigners who come here to work in less than stellar jobs to those who go to school and earn a degree. Every one of my friends (I'm Ghanaian and my circle of friends include other Africans/Indians/Pakistanians etc) has a college degree with about 90% of those degrees earned in the sciences.
The link you've posted bothers on disambiguation at best brah, come again!
smh. you basically said most foreign born minorities are fairing better then american minorities in america because the majority of native americans are lazy
considering the forum and op as well as the fact that native born whites still fair better then first generation immigrants of most races, i'm assuming you were mainly addressing african americans lack of work ethic
with that said now, reread my post
matter of fact, i'll break it down to you even further ....considering you are ghanaian
1. its very hard to get into america
2. immigrants specifically come to this country to capitalize and exploit opportunity....more times then not if they come here legally they are either wealthy/ middle income, and very well educated or all the above. therefore comparing any immigrant group to virtually any native born group is like comparing the most ambitious members of one team with the entirety of another team...or in words to compare the two is dumb...
get it? lol
i also was making the point that skin color also plays a factor in how poorly immigrants fair economically as well. which should tell you that work ethic or lack there of is not the issue but race
it was interesting how you didn't address what's happened to black people in this country post slavery either. think we can agree that america had slaves most countries did. but very few followed it up with the klan and jim crow
Brah, We cannot control that! we can control how not to pull tha trigger, we can control how our grades come out, we can control and or change misconception about our people. Stereotyping, racism and the like are a mainstay that will only change when our people buck up and accept it. When we work on what we can control, doors that seemed non-existent will become opened. I have an African-American friend of Haitian decent (he considers himself haitian even tho he was born in Apex, NC). Smartest dude i've ever known academically, obtaining his phD at Hopkins after turning down a 6 figure job in Alabama. He's not even 25 yet, what i'm trying to say here is if and when we put our mind on it, everything else is just images not obstacles so why don't we?
zombie;6098413 said:By itself no amount of education or good behavior or money is going to uplift the black race. Those things might help individuals but NOT always the wider group. The real problem with black people is our weak character and that goes for all black people At home in africa and in the diaspora. All our problems flow from it. Everything DON LEMON spoke about is a only a symptom of it. When black people in america figure out how to properly teach their children the correct character traits that are need to thrive in this kind of world many of the thing people like DON are complaining about will go away.
And as for hip-hop it is from the streets what the fuck do you expect it was sculpted by criminals and street people the sagging skinny jeans thing is just something that is unique to this generation no different than bell bottoms and where to the 60's or spiked hair to the 70's.
Over all though fuck don lemon and the class of people he represents the black upper class and middle class just love to talk shit about their brothers in poverty.
And @undefeatable fuck you.
Kmac_222;6097851 said:Ajackson17;6097824 said:Kmac_222;6097817 said:Ajackson17;6097793 said:Kmac_222;6097776 said:@Ajackson17
Question about this fabled "economic boom" you speak of, since white people are so bad to us and hold us down so hard. Where would this boom
come from, since according to you we cant do anything ourselves.
Maybe if they gave all of us helpless defensless negroes reparations for slavery we can have this magical black economic boom
This economic boom once we take the values of Marcus Garvey and his plans and connect with the different groups of African descent around the world. Understand Marcus Garvey principles and understanding on how to work in this world. Racism is global and to defeat a global evil, you must combat it with a global unity which involves economics, culture similarities, love towards one another, and etc. You have to realize it's not just one country but a global phenomenon that is a poison. It's not the big and bad white man, it's about his poisonous ideology of superiority belief and which entails controlling certain aspects of human livelihood which we must combat.
Thats good but theres a whole host of issues that we must combat before we can realize his vision. Garvey was an idealist, which is cool and everything but real issues need realistic and practical assesments and interventions.
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails."
-- William Arthur War
Those are realistic goals to accomplish. What are you talking about? It's the same as whitness which has been realized to every white person in the world. What we are doing is the same thing but without racism supporting it. That's the difference. The jews have done the same thing. Those are realistic goals, so what's not practical about it when he has been replicated many times?
The jews first had to change thier image before people put them in positions of power and wealth. They collectively changed thier percieved image as "the people who killed jesus"
to "the people who are smart and good with money".
We can use them as an example, we need to change our image. We need to
dress better, talk better, and conduct ourselves with pride and dignity while in public, before any of those goals can be fully realized. Education needs to be as important in black culture as Love and Hip Hop before people can take us seriously as a people.