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Parallel;7207159 said:Tim Duncan can't even get a shout out? Cold world.
Beta;7207155 said:You do top 10 lists every year..switch it up faggot
Atleast find a way to incorporate diff players into your polls.
Nah I'm playing...but not really
O.G.;7207210 said:I don't feel comfortable about ranking players that I did not see play. (Wilt & Russell) I'm gonna sit this one out.
af.r.i.c.a.;7207257 said:I get that but If your a student of the game your familiar with their pedigree and resume. You don't necessarily need to watch and break down film to know that MJ is the GOAT or that Magic was one of the best 5 players to ever play. For a casual hoop fan It would be difficult to rank these players but if you know your shit then you should be able to easily.
af.r.i.c.a.;7207257 said:I get that but If your a student of the game your familiar with their pedigree and resume. You don't necessarily need to watch and break down film to know that MJ is the GOAT or that Magic was one of the best 5 players to ever play. For a casual hoop fan It would be difficult to rank these players but if you know your shit then you should be able to easily.
af.r.i.c.a.;7207263 said:O.G.;7207210 said:I don't feel comfortable about ranking players that I did not see play. (Wilt & Russell) I'm gonna sit this one out.
Stop lying nigga.. yo old ass had court side seats the night Wilt dropped 100 lol
Parallel;7207288 said:blu197;7207271 said:af.r.i.c.a.;7207257 said:I get that but If your a student of the game your familiar with their pedigree and resume. You don't necessarily need to watch and break down film to know that MJ is the GOAT or that Magic was one of the best 5 players to ever play. For a casual hoop fan It would be difficult to rank these players but if you know your shit then you should be able to easily.
You shouldn't even have to explain this, it should be common sense...
Ranking people isn't common sense. There's no set criteria and as such basing it off a highlight reel and looking at stats is far different than growing up and seeing that person. There's really not a comparison.
It's like somebody that's in their 20s trying to school me on Oscar Robertson being one of the greatest ever just because Sportscenter always brings up how many triple-doubles he had.
O.G.;7207313 said:af.r.i.c.a.;7207257 said:I get that but If your a student of the game your familiar with their pedigree and resume. You don't necessarily need to watch and break down film to know that MJ is the GOAT or that Magic was one of the best 5 players to ever play. For a casual hoop fan It would be difficult to rank these players but if you know your shit then you should be able to easily.
You have to consider rule changes of each era. Common opponents, teammates and technology. For every ten peers from Magic's era that will tell you he was the best guard they ever seen, ten from Oscar's era will swear he was the best they ever saw. They played the game and seen all the generations and can't even agree. So how are people who only seen highlights and heard other peoples opinions able to say they are qualified to rank the all-time greats? I'm not hating on your thread but it's threads like these where some of the stupidest shit gets said bcuz people speak on what they don't know.
Parallel;7207367 said:blu197;7207358 said:Parallel;7207288 said:blu197;7207271 said:af.r.i.c.a.;7207257 said:I get that but If your a student of the game your familiar with their pedigree and resume. You don't necessarily need to watch and break down film to know that MJ is the GOAT or that Magic was one of the best 5 players to ever play. For a casual hoop fan It would be difficult to rank these players but if you know your shit then you should be able to easily.
You shouldn't even have to explain this, it should be common sense...
Ranking people isn't common sense. There's no set criteria and as such basing it off a highlight reel and looking at stats is far different than growing up and seeing that person. There's really not a comparison.
It's like somebody that's in their 20s trying to school me on Oscar Robertson being one of the greatest ever just because Sportscenter always brings up how many triple-doubles he had.
This ain't the stone age bruh we have the internet, that's like someone saying i can't rate Ali and Mike Tyson b/c i didn't see them live...
it doesn't matter if you didn't see them play live or watched every game they played, even back then ppl didn't see every game of their favorite player (unless you lived in the city your favorite player played in) b/c basketball wasn't televised like that and there wasn't any League Pass or none of that shit obviously... If your a fan of the sport and study the game than it should be common sense that Bill and Wilt are top 10 players All-time regardless of Era
And I'd say that if you study the game then it should be common sense that Tim Duncan is a top 10 player regardless of era especially given that he might have been the greatest of the previous era even moreso than Kobe (who is on the list).
Parallel;7207367 said:blu197;7207358 said:Parallel;7207288 said:blu197;7207271 said:af.r.i.c.a.;7207257 said:I get that but If your a student of the game your familiar with their pedigree and resume. You don't necessarily need to watch and break down film to know that MJ is the GOAT or that Magic was one of the best 5 players to ever play. For a casual hoop fan It would be difficult to rank these players but if you know your shit then you should be able to easily.
You shouldn't even have to explain this, it should be common sense...
Ranking people isn't common sense. There's no set criteria and as such basing it off a highlight reel and looking at stats is far different than growing up and seeing that person. There's really not a comparison.
It's like somebody that's in their 20s trying to school me on Oscar Robertson being one of the greatest ever just because Sportscenter always brings up how many triple-doubles he had.
This ain't the stone age bruh we have the internet, that's like someone saying i can't rate Ali and Mike Tyson b/c i didn't see them live...
it doesn't matter if you didn't see them play live or watched every game they played, even back then ppl didn't see every game of their favorite player (unless you lived in the city your favorite player played in) b/c basketball wasn't televised like that and there wasn't any League Pass or none of that shit obviously... If your a fan of the sport and study the game than it should be common sense that Bill and Wilt are top 10 players All-time regardless of Era
And I'd say that if you study the game then it should be common sense that Tim Duncan is a top 10 player regardless of era especially given that he might have been the greatest of the previous era even moreso than Kobe (who is on the list).
coop9889;7207465 said:Seriously... kobe and lebron and duncan are still playing.
Parallel;7207443 said:blu197;7207413 said:Parallel;7207367 said:blu197;7207358 said:Parallel;7207288 said:blu197;7207271 said:af.r.i.c.a.;7207257 said:I get that but If your a student of the game your familiar with their pedigree and resume. You don't necessarily need to watch and break down film to know that MJ is the GOAT or that Magic was one of the best 5 players to ever play. For a casual hoop fan It would be difficult to rank these players but if you know your shit then you should be able to easily.
You shouldn't even have to explain this, it should be common sense...
Ranking people isn't common sense. There's no set criteria and as such basing it off a highlight reel and looking at stats is far different than growing up and seeing that person. There's really not a comparison.
It's like somebody that's in their 20s trying to school me on Oscar Robertson being one of the greatest ever just because Sportscenter always brings up how many triple-doubles he had.
This ain't the stone age bruh we have the internet, that's like someone saying i can't rate Ali and Mike Tyson b/c i didn't see them live...
it doesn't matter if you didn't see them play live or watched every game they played, even back then ppl didn't see every game of their favorite player (unless you lived in the city your favorite player played in) b/c basketball wasn't televised like that and there wasn't any League Pass or none of that shit obviously... If your a fan of the sport and study the game than it should be common sense that Bill and Wilt are top 10 players All-time regardless of Era
And I'd say that if you study the game then it should be common sense that Tim Duncan is a top 10 player regardless of era especially given that he might have been the greatest of the previous era even moreso than Kobe (who is on the list).
That sounds like a problem you have with the TS i didn't make the list... But ns on Duncan, dude is overrated heavily... Kobe was playing with a Top 10 Alltime player (and vice versa with Shaq) so i don't hold not being the best player in the Finals against him as much some, but Duncans had a Top 3 supporting cast from his rookie year-present and only has 6 Final trips to show for it (Kobe 7, Shaq 6, Lebron 5 already) and wasn't the best player in 2 out 5 he won, well it should be 3 b/c Manu was robbed in 05' for Finals MVP
Averaging 20 and 11 over 17 seasons, rookie of the year, top 5 MVP voting (winning 2 back to back) for 8 straight seasons), 5 NBA championships (3 times finals MVP), 10 times all NBA first team, 8 times all defensive first team....really don't see how that's "overrated".
af.r.i.c.a.;7207366 said:O.G.;7207313 said:af.r.i.c.a.;7207257 said:I get that but If your a student of the game your familiar with their pedigree and resume. You don't necessarily need to watch and break down film to know that MJ is the GOAT or that Magic was one of the best 5 players to ever play. For a casual hoop fan It would be difficult to rank these players but if you know your shit then you should be able to easily.
You have to consider rule changes of each era. Common opponents, teammates and technology. For every ten peers from Magic's era that will tell you he was the best guard they ever seen, ten from Oscar's era will swear he was the best they ever saw. They played the game and seen all the generations and can't even agree. So how are people who only seen highlights and heard other peoples opinions able to say they are qualified to rank the all-time greats? I'm not hating on your thread but it's threads like these where some of the stupidest shit gets said bcuz people speak on what they don't know.
Yea good points but some of the factors I take into account when tanking the all time greats include
Accolades(Championships/MVPs/All Star appearances/Stats)
Did he dominate his era(60s/70s/80s ect...)
Was that player a consistent winner
Level of competition in that Era
Longevity/Overall consistency