Chattel Slavery: Was there any worse atrocity in human history????

[janklow]

lol, Janklow what your nationality bruh...

USA USA USA, obviously

Lmao, noooo sir you are very mistaken. I'm very clearly not white, and i have no doubt about that fact, nor can any statement you make convince me otherwise.

it doesn't matter, your earlier emotions already gave you away on this one

You see me on the street you would probably, like almost everyone else i meet, think i'm black until i tell you otherwise, so being white is not an issue for me.

everyone that says this is a darker-skinned white guy who i never "mistake for black." sorry, man

So, please, even if you dont read any of the rest of my post, please answer this question: How can someone who is much more than 50% negroid or mongoloid be considered white?

are they "Indian" or "of Indian nationality," goes the same old question

 

[waterproof]

USA USA USA, obviously

it doesn't matter, your earlier emotions already gave you away on this one

everyone that says this is a darker-skinned white guy who i never "mistake for black." sorry, man

are they "Indian" or "of Indian nationality," goes the same old question

For some odd reason i thought you was a spaniardeven though you wave the american flag so proudly, lol. Are you from the Negroid, Mongolid are caucasoid race, WHAT'S YOUR DAMN RACE MAN!!!, LOL

 

[@My_nameaintearl]

Everyone and everything in ancient Egypt was property of the Pharaoh. After being forced to hand over their crops to him, farmers were then conscripted into mining, quarrying, cutting, moving, and other forms of hard labor involved in building monuments to their master. Disobedience meant death or dismemberment, perhaps both. The population was kept illiterate by a network of priests loyal to the government.

An entire country enslaved to just one massa. And this went on for thousands of years.

This was worse than slavery in America.

 

[tikingjcoleprince]

USA USA USA, obviously

it doesn't matter, your earlier emotions already gave you away on this one

everyone that says this is a darker-skinned white guy who i never "mistake for black." sorry, man

are they "Indian" or "of Indian nationality," goes the same old question

Well since black usually means african american, of course i'm not black. But i am indian of african descent. So i obviously am not white either. Which you don't seem to get.

And your question, I don't seem to understand. How long does someone's family have to be living in India to be considered Indian, rather than of Indian nationality? If you go back enough the original inhabitants were negroids, then came the mongoloids and Caucasoid.

Also, if someone has very dark skin, they obviously aren't white, or at least not all white. They have to have significant portions of something else in them.

 

[janklow]

For some odd reason i thought you was a spaniardeven though you wave the american flag so proudly, lol. Are you from the Negroid, Mongolid are caucasoid race, WHAT'S YOUR DAMN RACE MAN!!!, LOL

spaniard? huh?

Well since black usually means african american, of course i'm not black.

i have this theory that there are many more black guys in the world than African-Americans

But i am indian of african descent. So i obviously am not white either. Which you don't seem to get.

so here's the deal: either claim you are black, or don't. because you're doing this thing where you say you're not black, but you look black, but you wouldn't claim to be black, but you're black. maybe YOU need to get a couple of things straight first

And your question, I don't seem to understand. How long does someone's family have to be living in India to be considered Indian, rather than of Indian nationality?

it's not a matter of how long

If you go back enough the original inhabitants were negroids, then came the mongoloids and Caucasoid.

if you go back far enough, everyone's black. this is the most relevant assertion!

Also, if someone has very dark skin, they obviously aren't white, or at least not all white. They have to have significant portions of something else in them.

if your theory is that a black guy can't have lighter skin than a white guy, this is not going to always work out

 

[tikingjcoleprince]

i have this theory that there are many more black guys in the world than African-Americans

But this all deals with the individual's definition of black. At least with many people of african descent that i've met, black has been a term used to refer to african americans solely, and not all africans.

so here's the deal: either claim you are black, or don't. because you're doing this thing where you say you're not black, but you look black, but you wouldn't claim to be black, but you're black. maybe YOU need to get a couple of things straight first

I claim to be of african descent but indian nationality, i don't claim to be black because everyone has a different definition of what black is. If you consider black to be all africans, then i have no problem being labeled as black.

it's not a matter of how long

Then what determines if someone is "indian" rather than "of indian nationality"

if you go back far enough, everyone's black. this is the most relevant assertion!

You know exactly what I mean. The human races are thought to have diverged around 1.5 million years ago. India was settled by black negroids thousands of years ago. They were fully negroid at that point, and there hasn't been enough time since then for "evolution" to have occurred. The reason many indians don't look fully black is because most descend, at least partially, from the many different waves of white groups that invaded the subcontinent.

Also, if you go back far enough, everyone was not black. Everyone was african. The human ancestor had a medium skin tone. From there, the human races either became black, or white, over time.

if your theory is that a black guy can't have lighter skin than a white guy, this is not going to always work out

Yes, a 100% black guy cannot have lighter skin than a 100% white guy unless by some fluke like albinism. If a white guy has darker skin than a black guy, either the white guy is mixed with black, or the black guy is mixed with white.

 

[janklow]

But this all deals with the individual's definition of black. At least with many people of african descent that i've met, black has been a term used to refer to african americans solely, and not all africans.

i don't know what kind of nonsense people have been telling you, but black applies to a lot more than African-Americans. did you think every black guy not from the US is being thrown onto the Caucasian team?

I claim to be of african descent but indian nationality, i don't claim to be black because everyone has a different definition of what black is. If you consider black to be all africans, then i have no problem being labeled as black.

why don't you go ahead and make up your mind already

Then what determines if someone is "indian" rather than "of indian nationality"

if they're going beyond saying they're simply from India

You know exactly what I mean. The human races are thought to have diverged around 1.5 million years ago. India was settled by black negroids thousands of years ago.

if the original men doing the settling were black, that's fine, but we're not talking about that long ago. pretty sure that was the point there...

Also, if you go back far enough, everyone was not black. Everyone was african. The human ancestor had a medium skin tone. From there, the human races either became black, or white, over time.

so i think you're getting that going back this far is pointless, yes?

Yes, a 100% black guy cannot have lighter skin than a 100% white guy unless by some fluke like albinism. If a white guy has darker skin than a black guy, either the white guy is mixed with black, or the black guy is mixed with white.

so one, you grant that there's even a fluke you recognize. two, now we have to make this to some kind of molecular level? please. if you know any black guys and you know any white guys (maybe you know neither), then you're bound to know some black guy with lighter skin than a white guy you know. it happens.

 

[tikingjcoleprince]

i don't know what kind of nonsense people have been telling you, but black applies to a lot more than African-Americans. did you think every black guy not from the US is being thrown onto the Caucasian team?

why don't you go ahead and make up your mind already

Black as a race applies to everyone, and in that sense i am black and proud. Black as a cultural or national term refers to african americans. Usually african immigrants, jamaicans, etc are referred to as african or jamaican, etc. So in that sense i'm just indian, which i'm also proud of.

if they're going beyond saying they're simply from India

What does that even mean? If someone says they're from India, even if they're a descendent of immigrants to India that makes them Indian instead of of Indian nationality? Most Americans just consider themselves American, but 99% are only American in nationality.

if the original men doing the settling were black, that's fine, but we're not talking about that long ago. pretty sure that was the point there...

The original people were black, and their descendants are black. They didn't suddenly become white along they way. So many of today's Indians are black.

so i think you're getting that going back this far is pointless, yes?

I think you fail to realize the difference between millions of years, and mere hundreds or thousands of years. Races evolve over millions of years. Races settle in different places over thousands of years.

so one, you grant that there's even a fluke you recognize. two, now we have to make this to some kind of molecular level? please. if you know any black guys and you know any white guys (maybe you know neither), then you're bound to know some black guy with lighter skin than a white guy you know. it happens.

Usually flukes aren't considered to be valid evidence of a claim. Maybe I'm very limited in those I've met, but I've never seen or heard of a pure black man with lighter skin than a pure white man. I have many black friends with light skin, but they are all mixed. And the white guys with darker skin are also mixed. The lightest pure black men I've met have had a medium brown skin tone, darker than any white guy I've ever seen.

 

[janklow]

Black as a cultural or national term refers to african americans.

once you get past this misconception, it'll all make more sense

What does that even mean? If someone says they're from India, even if they're a descendent of immigrants to India that makes them Indian instead of of Indian nationality?

nope

The original people were black, and their descendants are black. They didn't suddenly become white along they way.

obviously white people happened somehow, unless you think it was a magical spell or something

I think you fail to realize the difference between millions of years, and mere hundreds or thousands of years. Races evolve over millions of years. Races settle in different places over thousands of years.

actually, i get the impression it's you that's having the time frame issue

Maybe I'm very limited in those I've met, but I've never seen or heard of a pure black man with lighter skin than a pure white man. I have many black friends with light skin, but they are all mixed. And the white guys with darker skin are also mixed.

note how you'd still call white guys with darker skin "mixed" and "white guys" in the same sentence. huh

 

[tikingjcoleprince]

obviously white people happened somehow, unless you think it was a magical spell or something

actually, i get the impression it's you that's having the time frame issue

The white race evolved over MILLIONS of years. Blacks who arrived in India thousands of years ago didn't magically become white. Evolution cannot happen on a scale of mere thousands of years. And even if the blacks in India did change by a "magical spell" they wouldn't be white, they would be a new race altogether. So either way they aren't white.

So to summarize, blacks in india cannot have changed race so quickly, and it is indeed you that's having the time frame issue. And i'm getting the impression that you have very little knowledge about genetics or evolution.

note how you'd still call white guys with darker skin "mixed" and "white guys" in the same sentence. huh

When "white guys" is used to represent anyone with 51% or greater white ancestry, then yes white guys can be darker than black guys. But thats not the topic here. We're talking about 100% white vs 100% black. And in that case it is impossible.

 

[judahxulu]

lol @ yall hijacking my thread with this two-week long argument..

 

[janklow]

Blacks who arrived in India thousands of years ago didn't magically become white.

and here i thought we were talking about Indians

And even if the blacks in India did change by a "magical spell" they wouldn't be white, they would be a new race altogether. So either way they aren't white.

i like how your argument here is "so i'll grant the existence of a magical spell, but NOT one that changes your race!"

So to summarize, blacks in india cannot have changed race so quickly

then perhaps they'd be Indian by nationality, right? huh...

...and it is indeed you that's having the time frame issue.

honestly, i don't think you've been following what i've been saying about this topic, so i guess that might be why you think that

And i'm getting the impression that you have very little knowledge about genetics or evolution.

i'm getting the impression that you'd be served by getting over your hurt feelings about being white, and yet this still continues

But thats not the topic here. We're talking about 100% white vs 100% black.

are we? when exactly did i say that's what we're talking about?

lol @ yall hijacking my thread with this two-week long argument..

the only thing i can surmise is that calling him white has made him angry for two weeks straight. eh, welcome to the internet, i guess

 

[tikingjcoleprince]

and here i thought we were talking about Indians

i like how your argument here is "so i'll grant the existence of a magical spell, but NOT one that changes your race!"

then perhaps they'd be Indian by nationality, right? huh...

honestly, i don't think you've been following what i've been saying about this topic, so i guess that might be why you think that

i'm getting the impression that you'd be served by getting over your hurt feelings about being white, and yet this still continues

are we? when exactly did i say that's what we're talking about?

the only thing i can surmise is that calling him white has made him angry for two weeks straight. eh, welcome to the internet, i guess

My bad, I was stupid for trying to attempt to clarify my race and the race of my people to an ignorant stranger over the internet for two weeks. Didn't realize how long this got drawn out. But i do now realize its useless to try and reason with an idiot. Feel free to close this thread or whatever.

 

[janklow]

My bad, I was stupid for trying to attempt to clarify my race and the race of my people to an ignorant stranger over the internet for two weeks. Didn't realize how long this got drawn out. But i do now realize its useless to try and reason with an idiot. Feel free to close this thread or whatever.

awww, now you've CONVINCED me that you're not filled with hurt feelings over being called white!

wait... that is actually the opposite of what has happened here