"Carson Palmer would be a better player if he didnt have to play with T.O. and ocho"

[Darius]

Michael Irvin, Keyshawn Johnson (and I hate his fucking guts), Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress (he was a very outspoken player), Torry Holt, want me to keep going?

i may be wrong, but have the bolded ever come out and demanded the ball or made an ass of themselves when they weren't catching passes? to me, those guys are team-oriented guys who just happen to be extremely talented receivers

 

[blackrain]

i may be wrong, but have the bolded ever come out and demanded the ball or made an ass of themselves when they weren't catching passes? to me, those guys are team-oriented guys who just happen to be extremely talented receivers

you can be team oriented and outspoken, look at Michael Irvin...it's not just about making an ass of yourself occassionaly in the media

 

[Darius]

you can be team oriented and outspoken, look at Michael Irvin...it's not just about making an ass of yourself occassionaly in the media

i don't think being outspoken is a problem, i think demanding the football through the media and gettin in arguments w/ your qb and coaches over not getting the ball can be detrimental to a team and qb. not always tho

 

[jay83]

The 2005 Season seemed like yesterday.

 

[Darius]

you can be team oriented and outspoken, look at Michael Irvin...it's not just about making an ass of yourself occassionaly in the media

hines questioned Ben's toughness and ability to play through injury...and i don't know of any time Holt made a scene for not getting the ball. he played opposite a great receiver in St. Louis and managed to keep his mouth shut those times that teams doubled Holt and Bruce or Az Hakim were able to be productive b/c of it.

 

[S2J]

Outspoken = showin up the QB, always in his ear sayin im open, sayin shyt in the media, sulkin all the damn time, obviously worried about gittin his numbers. Most of the cats yall listin dont fit that category.

Plax didtn do that shy till AFTER the ring

Rison and Keyshawn was in the same boat. They did that shyt early in their career. By the time they won their rings they were vets on veteran teams. He wasnt Bad Moon Rison...I guarantee 1/2 the nggas here dont even remeber he won one w/ the Packers.

Torry Holt and Hines Ward? Cmon on...them nggas aint outpsoken

Dude mentioned Anquan Bolden? Funny, cuz the Cards record since he's been in the league: 4-12, 6-10, 5-11, 5-11, 8-8, 9-7. When they FINALLY start winnin and get to the SBowl, he didnt play in the playoffs!!!

But ok, outspoken WR = bad team has exceptions, but the thought that you need them dudes is a myth.

For every Irvin i show you Rice. For every TO and Ocho i show you Wayne, Harrison, Bruce, Holt, Monk, Largent, Andre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson...etcetera, etcetera

 

[Lorenzo de Medici]

everyone's saying mcnabb to the vikings, but Carson to the vikings would revive my man's career.

 

[Lorenzo de Medici]

Outspoken = showin up the QB, always in his ear sayin im open, sayin shyt in the media, sulkin all the damn time, obviously worried about gittin his numbers. Most of the cats yall listin dont fit that category.

Plax didtn do that shy till AFTER the ring

Rison and Keyshawn was in the same boat. They did that shyt early in their career. By the time they won their rings they were vets on veteran teams. Rsion was literally about 40. He wasnt Bad Moon Rison...I guarantee 1/2 the nggas here dont even remeber he won one w/ the Packers.

Torry Holt and Hines Ward? Cmon on...them nggas aint outpsoken

Dude mentioned Anquan Bolden? Funny, cuz the Cards record since he's been in the league: 4-12, 6-10, 5-11, 5-11, 8-8, 9-7. When they FINALLY start winnin and get to the SBowl, he didnt play in the playoffs!!!

But ok, outspoken WR = bad team has exceptions, but the thought that you need them dudes is a myth.

For every Irvin i show you Rice. For every TO and Ocho i show you Wayne, Harrison, Bruce, Holt, Monk, Largent, Andre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson...etcetera, etcetera

hahaha bad example. that nigga ain't have to say shit. He's gun do the talking.

 

[greenwood1921]

Outspoken = showin up the QB, always in his ear sayin im open, sayin shyt in the media, sulkin all the damn time, obviously worried about gittin his numbers. Most of the cats yall listin dont fit that category.

Plax didtn do that shy till AFTER the ring

Rison and Keyshawn was in the same boat. They did that shyt early in their career. By the time they won their rings they were vets on veteran teams. He wasnt Bad Moon Rison...I guarantee 1/2 the nggas here dont even remeber he won one w/ the Packers.

Torry Holt and Hines Ward? Cmon on...them nggas aint outpsoken

Dude mentioned Anquan Bolden? Funny, cuz the Cards record since he's been in the league: 4-12, 6-10, 5-11, 5-11, 8-8, 9-7. When they FINALLY start winnin and get to the SBowl, he didnt play in the playoffs!!!

But ok, outspoken WR = bad team has exceptions, but the thought that you need them dudes is a myth.

For every Irvin i show you Rice. For every TO and Ocho i show you Wayne, Harrison, Bruce, Holt, Monk, Largent, Andre Johnson, Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson...etcetera, etcetera

I remember that shit. I also remember seeing him on South Beach in '04, broke, handing out fliers to some party talkin' bout "my party" and his name wasn't nowhere on the flier. lol

 

[greenwood1921]

It was one game. Carson been ass every since his leg got rock bottom'ed.

What will they say next week when he does terrible?

I don't even give'em that "injury" excuse. Dan Marino and Joe Montana continued put up GOAT numbers after injuries that almost ended their careers (Marino-blown out knee, Montana-fucked up elbow). Tom Brady too.

 

[rage]

Man fuck Hasselbeck that wack ass nigga wasnt shit when he played, ol' 63.6 lifetime QB rating ass nigga, ol Uncle Rico ass nigga. Dude is just sticking up for Carlson cuz he sees his mirror image.

Mauce was ripping shit up and not saying a god dayum word because he had a competent QB throwing to him

TO went to the SB because he was with a competent QB

Palmer is wack as fuck.

 

[#Kew]

even if that statement was true, palmer was the one who wanted TO on the team. ya boy is trash. ever since that injury he hasn't been the same. he should go to san fran where he can give it to gore and check down all day...

 

[greenwood1921]

I'm not saying the injury is effecting his quarterback play. I'm saying he hasn't been good since.

Carson has reached his ceiling as a quarterback.. Some people don't wanna admit it. Most quarterbacks wouldn't still be starting if they had Palmer's year.

Agree. But the NFL is addicted to USC and Notre Dame QBs for some reason. No matter how many of them flop, they stay taking them in the first round.

Ironically, the two best QBs from those schools in recent history were both late draft picks (Montana, Cassell). Go figure.

 

[blackrain]

it's true, the Bengals won their division last year by running the football. This year, they have 2 selfsih, stubborn, and shit talkin, pro bowl wide recievers. The team had to change their game plan so they can keep them happy.

TO and Ocho have nothing to do with their shitty defense giving up some of those leads

 

[blackrain]

i don't think being outspoken is a problem, i think demanding the football through the media and gettin in arguments w/ your qb and coaches over not getting the ball can be detrimental to a team and qb. not always tho

yeah that shit isn't needed at all...when you take your issues w/ the team public it makes shit worse definitely...but in this situation Carson Palmer is just playing terribly...I can't remember what game it was but the Bengals were playing somebody on MNF and Palmer forced the ball to TO so much that not was Ocho pissed but even TO told him to stop forcing him the damn ball

 

[Will Munny]

Palmer sucks. I don't Ocho is bad, I think he's actually a team guy who just likes attention and does funny shit. I don't he's the diva he's been made out to be. TO is a pain in the ass and I don't care how much stanning he gets on here, he really is a cancer.

With that being said, Carson Palmer sucks and I don't think i t really matters who his WRs are.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Seriously, people are blaming Chad and TO for Palmer's performance this year? What the hell they got to do with this dude throwing the ball three feet over the head of the receivers. So Palmer has one good game and it just happens to be when those two are gone, and all of a suddens all the problems are their fault? That's the kinda conclusion that people who lack basic reasoning and logical abilities make. Palmer has sucked this year, plain and simple. Anyone who has watched the games have known that. TO has had a great year, and Palmer hasn't even utilized Chad much, so I don't see how you could point to either of them as problems. On top of that, you haven't even heard much out of either of them. The worst thing you've seen is a blow up from Chad on the field, and that was due to the fact that they were getting smashed and he wasn't being used. Any player can have a reaction like that given those circumstances.

 

[Darius]

Palmer sucks. I don't Ocho is bad, I think he's actually a team guy who just likes attention and does funny shit. I don't he's the diva he's been made out to be. TO is a pain in the ass and I don't care how much stanning he gets on here, he really is a cancer.

With that being said, Carson Palmer sucks and I don't think i t really matters who his WRs are.

i can agree with that.

 

[blackrain]

Palmer sucks. I don't Ocho is bad, I think he's actually a team guy who just likes attention and does funny shit. I don't he's the diva he's been made out to be. TO is a pain in the ass and I don't care how much stanning he gets on here, he really is a cancer.

With that being said, Carson Palmer sucks and I don't think i t really matters who his WRs are.

he's far from a bad teammate...when he debated Skip Bayless on 1&10 and Skip tried to say that Chad and the host Jay both said you've never heard any of his teammates complain about him, say his work ethic is slacking, or that he's a bad teammate

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

Wow, ive heard a lot of shit but this takes the cake. Having two great receivers to throw to can be detrimental and make you make dumb ass decisions throwing the ball...Ive heard it all

them niggas at espn are 95% useless ...point blank