Breakfast Club & Comedian Lil Duval Gettin Heat For Interview Question About Trannies

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Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9918829 said:
can we agree that a lot of our reactions to gay ppl or whatever stimuli whether the reaction be violent, negative, apathetic, positive, etc has a lot to do with our surroundings, social conditioning, experiences, etc

it's not just innate

the way we interact with others is far from innate in this day and age

even our personalities aren't just hardwired

and again I'd argue that the strong aversion to homosexuality stems from religious and patriarchal ideologies and institutions

that and I do believe we have a natural unease around anyone we consider out the norm or "other" for evolutionary reasons

I don't think anyone would argue that our surroundings and environment play some part in our reactions. We think you're overstating how those surroundings are responsible as opposed to our own innate feelings and preconceptions. Yes, as human beings we all are capable of changing over time That doesn't mean that feelings we have will change or that they aren't real.
 
blackrain;c-9919039 said:
LordZuko;c-9917526 said:
What it boils down to is this: can't nobody tell a man what to think, or how to react, nor can anyone tell a man what to say.

Madam whatever the fuck and who else can argue all day long that saying killing a nigga in a wig for fooling you is wrong, that's their opinion and they're entitled to it. But they can't stop the repercussions from happening they not gonna stop men from being men and saying what they feel and standing on it.

I stand with duval on the principle he has a right to express his feelings and his thoughts. I also stand with him because he stood on his word. Too many pussy ass niggas back down at the slightest hint of disapproval. Fuck anybody who thinks they can police how a man thinks or what he says.

There's nothing to argue about beyond this point.

Of course he has the right to express his feelings and thoughts just as others have the right to express their disapproval. The freedom to say what you want doesn't mean people can't also respond to it with disapproval.

That's not what i said. I'm referring specifically to when Charlemagne told Duvall he couldn't say what he said. That's not expressing an opinion that's trying to police my speech.

Charlemagne can say he disagrees with what Duvall said but i wholesale refuse to allow a nigga to tell me what i can or cannot say. That's the point.
 
LordZuko;c-9919455 said:
blackrain;c-9919039 said:
LordZuko;c-9917526 said:
What it boils down to is this: can't nobody tell a man what to think, or how to react, nor can anyone tell a man what to say.

Madam whatever the fuck and who else can argue all day long that saying killing a nigga in a wig for fooling you is wrong, that's their opinion and they're entitled to it. But they can't stop the repercussions from happening they not gonna stop men from being men and saying what they feel and standing on it.

I stand with duval on the principle he has a right to express his feelings and his thoughts. I also stand with him because he stood on his word. Too many pussy ass niggas back down at the slightest hint of disapproval. Fuck anybody who thinks they can police how a man thinks or what he says.

There's nothing to argue about beyond this point.

Of course he has the right to express his feelings and thoughts just as others have the right to express their disapproval. The freedom to say what you want doesn't mean people can't also respond to it with disapproval.

That's not what i said. I'm referring specifically to when Charlemagne told Duvall he couldn't say what he said. That's not expressing an opinion that's trying to police my speech.

Charlemagne can say he disagrees with what Duvall said but i wholesale refuse to allow a nigga to tell me what i can or cannot say. That's the point.

Well there are literally certain things you can't say w/o legal consequence. So if you're willing to accept those legal consequences, which you know majority of people aren't, then go ahead. But if you're not then it's not a bad idea to not say some shit that could get you in legal trouble
 
I HAVE BEEN POSTING HERE SINCE 2013.

all i can say is that there is a strong pro gay, pro trans little group of posters who are using different tactics to slowly but firmly force their views in that site.

BCOTTON 5 with his always more edgy jokes.

It came from 'hummm' to YMCMB artists to him recently posting ultra gay stuff.

Now we got that CJSKYWALKER poster who is adopting the other angle: psychology.

THANK GOD NONE OF THEM ARE EFFECTIVE. except that the tendency to accept more and more openly gay stuff is RISING.

Whats happenning in the IC is a exemple of whats happening in the physical world of black people: the push for the black american effeminization aka psycholocal sterelizatìon by the supremacist side of white people is ongoing.

Dont get fooled. Stay wiiide awake. And eventually BAN THESE INFLITATORS BEFORE THEY INFECT THE SPACE.
 
Have yall witnessed WHY SHE DOESNT ENGAGE DEBATE WITH ME?

Its because i interract and work with gay and trans people socially. So she cant use the YOU ARE HOMOPHOBIC tactic. Thus she dodges.

And she is trying to insert fake ideas and unnecessary debates to you who are for the most not in interraction with socially.

DONT FALL FOR HER PSEUDO PSYCHO BULLSHIT.

Real people who are into gay psychology talk about HOMOEROTISM. And all 98% of her post are full of shit.

Stop entertaining that poster. He/she maybe a trans who hides behind a female ID just to push his UNLOGIC AND UNEXPERIENCED BELIEFS AND IDEAS.

 
These STARBUCK BLACK WOMEN all around the western world think that they are the next thing by acting ULTRA HIPSTER.

Its not good to act ghetto AND its not good to act BOHEMIAN WHITE just to FIT IN.

While some black men are fighting their own historical and societal battles, black women are acting totally obilivious.

- they maintain the flame of Jim Crow, and he didnt ask for their help : fake hair, ' ive got austrian roots in me' origin whitening stuff

- they support idias that seperate them from the black community, their community : additional dumb trans right, bisexuality. Homosexuality is for the riches not the poor. It take facility, access to expensive precaution and contraception.

 
LcnsdbyROYALTY;c-9913373 said:
https://twitter.com/datcraftygal/status/891922110204870656

These muthafuckas on Twitter can kill themselves!!! A transexual woman IS *clap* STILL *clap* A MUTHAFUCKIN *clap* MAN *clap*

The only thing I will somewhat agree on is that they SHOULDN'T be able to trick anybody cuz they STILL look like a MUTHAFUCKIN MAN!

This stupid bitch or faggot in that tweeet need to educate ITSELF on the XY Chromosome.

Any nigga that gets tricked deserves a free pair of prescription eyeglasses when they hit tha bing for life for being dumb as fuck. Duck ass niggas.

I know it's niggas on the IC that think otherwise. Yall not being politically correct. Yall are faggots. Own up to that shyt.

Like my nigga @BOSSExcellence would say...

LESBIANS!!!!

only women clap inbetween words bruh....

just saying

you lesbian
 
Trollio ;c-9916820 said:
texas409;c-9916774 said:
EmM HoLLa.;c-9913481 said:
I don't give a damn what u change too.. If you are born a man.. You're a man to me.. If you're born a woman you're a woman to me.. Period.. End of discussion..

its a damn shame that this needs to be said in 2017.

Why wasnt it said back when you got that tranny number?

You ungreatful internet niggas. I was on my lil duvall shit way before lil duval said shit. I exposed the faggots for who and what it was and all y'all did was make corny jokes accusing me of smashing SMH. You niggas should be thanking me I took that L so one of you niggas wouldn't be doing a life sentence for murder
 
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texas409;c-9919925 said:
Trollio ;c-9916820 said:
texas409;c-9916774 said:
EmM HoLLa.;c-9913481 said:
I don't give a damn what u change too.. If you are born a man.. You're a man to me.. If you're born a woman you're a woman to me.. Period.. End of discussion..

its a damn shame that this needs to be said in 2017.

Why wasnt it said back when you got that tranny number?

You ungreatful internet niggas. I was on my lil duvall shit way before lil duval said shit. I exposed the faggots for who and what it was and all y'all did was make corny jokes accusing me of smashing SMH. You niggas should be thanking me I took that L so one of you niggas wouldn't be doing a life sentence for murder

Really???
 
LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY;c-9917785 said:
Black women in America are losing big by taking the wrong Battles.

I been saying this they are losing in almost everything they perceive right and fair. Some of them really are trying to destroy our communities
 
LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY;c-9919686 said:
Have yall witnessed WHY SHE DOESNT ENGAGE DEBATE WITH ME?

Its because i interract and work with gay and trans people socially. So she cant use the YOU ARE HOMOPHOBIC tactic. Thus she dodges.

And she is trying to insert fake ideas and unnecessary debates to you who are for the most not in interraction with socially.

DONT FALL FOR HER PSEUDO PSYCHO BULLSHIT.

Real people who are into gay psychology talk about HOMOEROTISM. And all 98% of her post are full of shit.

Stop entertaining that poster. He/she maybe a trans who hides behind a female ID just to push his UNLOGIC AND UNEXPERIENCED BELIEFS AND IDEAS.

lol

what?

not that it matters, and i'm not posting any pics, but i was born a girl

i don't respond to your post because you type in CAPS and your post at times are nonsensical

for instance, i'm not totally sure what you mean by "unexperienced beliefs and ideas"

english is not your first language so its understandable

most importantly i don't take you seriously when you make claims such as:

Whats happenning in the IC is a exemple of whats happening in the physical world of black people: the push for the black american effeminization aka psycholocal sterelizatìon by the supremacist side of white people is ongoing.
 
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2stepz_ahead;c-9919844 said:
LcnsdbyROYALTY;c-9913373 said:
https://twitter.com/datcraftygal/status/891922110204870656

These muthafuckas on Twitter can kill themselves!!! A transexual woman IS *clap* STILL *clap* A MUTHAFUCKIN *clap* MAN *clap*

The only thing I will somewhat agree on is that they SHOULDN'T be able to trick anybody cuz they STILL look like a MUTHAFUCKIN MAN!

This stupid bitch or faggot in that tweeet need to educate ITSELF on the XY Chromosome.

Any nigga that gets tricked deserves a free pair of prescription eyeglasses when they hit tha bing for life for being dumb as fuck. Duck ass niggas.

I know it's niggas on the IC that think otherwise. Yall not being politically correct. Yall are faggots. Own up to that shyt.

Like my nigga @BOSSExcellence would say...

LESBIANS!!!!

only women clap inbetween words bruh....

just saying

you lesbian

Foh Pralims, I was mocking the tweet that you just quoted
 
LordZuko;c-9919027 said:
Children don't have an innate fear of fire. It's not until they are burnt maybe more than once that children learn "fire hot"

Most things are socially learned because human beings are *gasp* social creatures. This doesn't mean that something isn't natural.

To make another comparison, there are people who adopt exotic pets, this animal learns to be sociable around people. Now this animal's natural environment can be a forest, jungle, swamp whatever. However most times when that owner wants to get rid of that pet, there can't just go to a forest or nearest wilderness and just live. The social learning of that animal has more often than not made it incompatible to it's natural environment. Animals are taught how to exist in their environment by their parents.

The nature vs nurture argument when it comes to the "rightness" of people's reactions towards outside groups is circular logic. Morality is not universal but shaped by the needs of society. The reason that we, and predominantly through feminine influence, are being pushed towards the acceptance of a nonsensical spectrum of sexuality and gender expression is because there are influential white faggots abound with enough money and political pull.

yes behaviors are indeed learned, either from interacting with the world or by being taught

innate behaviors, however, refer to a behavior that comes from your genes, like when a baby cries coming out the womb...

of course we don't know from the womb that fire is hot... but our response when we touch fire, which is to recoil in pain, is an innate reflex. newborns instinctively suck on a nipple that is placed in their mouth is another example

evolution ...etc...etc...etc

is the aversion to homosexuality is a product of natural selection or a culturally constructed, transmitted bias that is up for debate. think it's both

that said, all i'm arguing is that we are more than just animals. few of behaviors are innate. reaction to certain stimulus are influenced by many factors and are malleable not always hard wired

i think we should do our part to modify /unlearn certain anti social behaviors and responses to become more of an inclusive society verses just chalking everything up to nature and giving in our natural instinct which is to exclude ppl we may consider "other"

the benefits of becoming a more inclusive society are obvious. human capital for one

 
The Lonious Monk;c-9919162 said:
Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9918829 said:
can we agree that a lot of our reactions to gay ppl or whatever stimuli whether the reaction be violent, negative, apathetic, positive, etc has a lot to do with our surroundings, social conditioning, experiences, etc

it's not just innate

the way we interact with others is far from innate in this day and age

even our personalities aren't just hardwired

and again I'd argue that the strong aversion to homosexuality stems from religious and patriarchal ideologies and institutions

that and I do believe we have a natural unease around anyone we consider out the norm or "other" for evolutionary reasons

I don't think anyone would argue that our surroundings and environment play some part in our reactions. We think you're overstating how those surroundings are responsible as opposed to our own innate feelings and preconceptions. Yes, as human beings we all are capable of changing over time That doesn't mean that feelings we have will change or that they aren't real.

nah

conversely i think you are down playing the impact that religious and other cultural institutions have on the way we behave and interact with the world around us

if from a young child you are fed anti-gay messages on a daily basis considering how impressionable the human mind is, it is bound to influence the way you view and interact with gay ppl

it's bound to heighten or and dampen feelings that may have already been there

same as with any other messaging

it is no coincidence gay marriage is becoming more acceptable, especially with young generations, there's been a noticeable shift in the message as of late

same with the way men and women interact. certain behaviors that was tolerated and accepted centuries ago are now frowned upon

and i'm not saying everybody should just be cool with the shit to the point where you are letting other niggas sit on your lap all willy nilly, i'm concerned with the overt and oppressive anti trans/gay shit

and i would support a law that would penalize non disclosure from a trans person by putting that person on a sex offender list ...though i doubt most ppl would even report it to the police due to being embarrassed or ashamed
 
Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9920632 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9919162 said:
Madame_CJSkywalker;c-9918829 said:
can we agree that a lot of our reactions to gay ppl or whatever stimuli whether the reaction be violent, negative, apathetic, positive, etc has a lot to do with our surroundings, social conditioning, experiences, etc

it's not just innate

the way we interact with others is far from innate in this day and age

even our personalities aren't just hardwired

and again I'd argue that the strong aversion to homosexuality stems from religious and patriarchal ideologies and institutions

that and I do believe we have a natural unease around anyone we consider out the norm or "other" for evolutionary reasons

I don't think anyone would argue that our surroundings and environment play some part in our reactions. We think you're overstating how those surroundings are responsible as opposed to our own innate feelings and preconceptions. Yes, as human beings we all are capable of changing over time That doesn't mean that feelings we have will change or that they aren't real.

nah

conversely i think you are down playing the impact that religious and other cultural institutions have on the way we behave and interact with the world around us

if from a young child you are fed anti-gay messages on a daily basis considering how impressionable the human mind is, it is bound to influence the way you view and interact with gay ppl

it's bound to heighten or and dampen feelings that may have already been there

same as with any other messaging

it is no coincidence gay marriage is becoming more acceptable, especially with young generations, there's been a noticeable shift in the message as of late

same with the way men and women interact. certain behaviors that was tolerated and accepted centuries ago are now frowned upon

and i'm not saying everybody should just be cool with the shit to the point where you are letting other niggas sit on your lap all willy nilly, i'm concerned with the overt and oppressive anti trans/gay shit

and i would support a law that would penalize non disclosure from a trans person by putting that person on a sex offender list ...though i doubt most ppl would even report it to the police due to being embarrassed or ashamed

I was going to argue more, but if you're sincere about the bold, that should be enough common ground for everyone on this matter.
 
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texas409;c-9919925 said:
Trollio ;c-9916820 said:
texas409;c-9916774 said:
EmM HoLLa.;c-9913481 said:
I don't give a damn what u change too.. If you are born a man.. You're a man to me.. If you're born a woman you're a woman to me.. Period.. End of discussion..

its a damn shame that this needs to be said in 2017.

Why wasnt it said back when you got that tranny number?

You ungreatful internet niggas. I was on my lil duvall shit way before lil duval said shit. I exposed the faggots for who and what it was and all y'all did was make corny jokes accusing me of smashing SMH. You niggas should be thanking me I took that L so one of you niggas wouldn't be doing a life sentence for murder

Nigga u had documented phone convos with said tranny and recieved pics.

You did that for yourself
 
Trollio ;c-9920771 said:
texas409;c-9919925 said:
Trollio ;c-9916820 said:
texas409;c-9916774 said:
EmM HoLLa.;c-9913481 said:
I don't give a damn what u change too.. If you are born a man.. You're a man to me.. If you're born a woman you're a woman to me.. Period.. End of discussion..

its a damn shame that this needs to be said in 2017.

Why wasnt it said back when you got that tranny number?

You ungreatful internet niggas. I was on my lil duvall shit way before lil duval said shit. I exposed the faggots for who and what it was and all y'all did was make corny jokes accusing me of smashing SMH. You niggas should be thanking me I took that L so one of you niggas wouldn't be doing a life sentence for murder

Nigga u had documented phone convos with said tranny and recieved pics.

You did that for yourself

The pics it sent me was of a female that it claimed was it's cousin not once did I get pics of a male. Let the shenanigans cease
 
The Lonious Monk and Madame CJ are the two most argumentative posters on the IC. Y'all going around in circles saying the same shit.
 
5th Letter;c-9920877 said:
The Lonious Monk and Madame CJ are the two most argumentative posters on the IC. Y'all going around in circles saying the same shit.

In this case you're right. We were just arguing in circles.
 
http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-...inity-fuels-transgender-victimization-n789621

Analysis: How ‘Toxic Masculinity’ Fuels Transgender Victimization

by Alex BergAug 4

In the wake of President Donald Trump’s surprising announcement on Twitter that he was banning transgender people from the military, many comedians roasted the president for his decision. On the popular morning radio show “The Breakfast Club,” however, standup comic Lil Duval took a position where he appeared to have more in common with Christian conservatives peddling anti-transgender bathroom bills than his fellow funnymen.

During an appearance one week ago on the nationally syndicated show, following a question about the trans military ban, DJ Envy, one of the program’s three co-hosts, asked Duval what he’d do if he found out a woman he had a relationship with was transgender.

"This might sound messed up, and I don’t care. She dying. I can’t deal with that,” Duval responded. When pressed by co-host Charlamagne Tha God that “you can’t go around killing transgenders,” he went one step further. “If one did that to me and they didn’t tell me, I’m going to be so mad I’m probably going to want to kill them,” he said.

Days earlier, activist and author Janet Mock had appeared on “The Breakfast Club” to discuss her second memoir, “Surpassing Certainty.” During the exchange with Duval, DJ Envy held up a copy of the book, with Mock’s portrait on the cover, as Charlamagne asked, “Tell me she ain’t pretty.” “Nope,” Duval responded. “That n**** doing his thing….ain’t finna get me.”

In a year that is stacking up to be among the most deadly for transgender people in the U.S., Duval’s comments rang of the “panic defense” used in court by those who kill LGBTQ people to justify their violence. As states introduce legislation to push trans people out of public life, the remarks resembled the rhetoric employed by the Christian right to cut off trans people’s access to bathrooms. And, for their part, DJ Envy and Charlamagne demonstrated how the media “cosigns” transphobia when they allow these narratives to go unchecked, according to Ashlee Marie Preston, the editor in chief of Wear Your Voice.

During the conversation, Charlamagne agreed with Duval that there should be “repercussions” for transgender women who don’t come out to their partners. “[The comments] reinforced the criminalization of transgender women by communicating the lie that we're all deceptive sexual predators who trick men into having sex with us,” Preston said.

While “The Breakfast Club” has discussed racial justice and the Black Lives Matter movement, “they are discussing it as though black issues and trans issues are two different things,” Angelica Ross, the founder of TransTech Social Enterprises and an actor on TNT’s “Claws,” said. Just this past weekend, Preston was joined by Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors in interrupting a Politicon interview with Charlamagne.

A spokesperson for iHeartMedia, the syndicated program’s parent company, said “The Breakfast Club does not condone” the comments made by Lil Duval, referring to them as “thoughtless and insensitive.”

“The Breakfast Club has always been supportive of the LGBTQ community,” iHeartMedia’s Angel Aristone told NBC News via email earlier this week, and “did push back during the interview letting Duval know what he said was unacceptable."


So far in 2017, 16 transgender people have been murdered and 13 of them were Black trans women, according to LaLa Zannell, the lead organizer at the New York City Anti-Violence Project. “Transgender people, and especially trans women of color, are impacted by violence at every angle,” Zannell said.

The “trans panic” defense, invoked by Duval, has been used in court to justify the murders of transgender people. It’s a “justification of why a man would react to trans women in a violent manner in that it’s a defense that basically victimizes men. ‘Oh, I’m so shocked because I didn’t know that this person was transgender.’ It takes the humanity away from the transgender person,” Preston said.

When Islan Nettles, a 21 year-old transgender woman, died after being attacked in 2013, her attacker said he went after her when his friends made fun of him for flirting with a trans woman. “I just didn’t want to be fooled,” James Dixon told detectives, as reported by the New York Times.

At the state level, Texas is attempting to pass a “bathroom ban,” and Alaska and Massachusetts have upcoming ballot initiatives “to take away laws that ensure equal treatment for trans people in public spaces,” Raffi Freedman-Gurspan, the director of external relations at the National Center for Transgender Equality, said.

State Sen. Lois Kolkhorst, a Republican who introduced Texas’ bill requiring people to use the bathroom listed on their birth certificate, told the Texas Tribune that it "shuts down the opportunity for predators and voyeurs to assault women.” Similarly, fundamentalist Christians have fought against LGBTQ anti-discrimination ordinances by arguing that “males with past child predator convictions that claim they are female,” promulgating the same fallacy as Duval that transgender people are “deceptive sexual predators,” in Preston’s words.

In the days since the appearance, Duval has refused to apologize for the remarks. Backlash has mounted on social media, with the trending hashtag #TransFolksAreNotJokes and a campaign to boycott the show. Mock responded with an essay in Allure about how “The Breakfast Club” used her as a prop. “Part of what is dangerous is that when we hear folks like Lil’ Duval being transphobic, it makes it seem okay for others, and can influence other people’s perceptions,” Zannell said.

The media and Hollywood have been perpetuating these ideas about transgender people as far back as 100 years ago, before even the word "transgender" existed. In 1917, for example, silent film actor Fatty Arbuckle was on film “ogling women in the restroom while he’s disguised in a dress and wig,” Sam Feder, the director of the forthcoming documentary “Disclosure: Trans Lives On Screen,” said in an email.

Recent movies, too, have used transgender people as the butt of a joke. In the “Hangover II,” one of the characters is disgusted when he finds out a woman he hooked up with is trans, according to Preston. “This trope both fuels, and is fueled by, straight male anxiety. This trope, and its underlying assumption that trans women are really predatory men in disguise, justifies violence against trans women,” Jen Richards, a writer and actor, said.

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