Breakfast Club & Comedian Lil Duval Gettin Heat For Interview Question About Trannies

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some argue it's a greater offense because a person is then compromising your sexuality, but i would counter why would he or she consider that to be worst than someone compromising your emotions, morals and or ethics when they purposely mislead you into engaging in sexual contact with a person under the false impression they were single

Right, so we can agree that its subjective and everyone is entitled to their opinions. Only reason this is a problem is bc some trans want ppl to respect their values/beliefs while violating others. Its not consistent.

and while non-disclosure can cause a person psychological harm, it doesn't cause any true physical harm like not disclosing you have an STD or sexual assault/rape

Very highly disagree. An std can be cured and if youre talking abouy hiv/aids, have u ever gone into threads where ppl said "i'd kill that bitch!" And defend the dirty bitch like u are doing for trans right now? Doubt it.

Also, id argue psychological harm is more difficult to deal with. Ask gay men who've been molested by adult men in their youth.

AND how many girls do u know would date/marry a man who has fucked another man trans or not? Would u yourself do so?

So if a man was tricked into it, he would probably be inclined to keep it from any girl he meets for fear of losing her. And even worse he hid it and she left him when she found out bc she figured he must be gay.

To downplay those psychological effects is ignorant af.

again i'd ultimately leave it up to the civil courts to award any damages to a person they see fit

sending someone to prison over is extreme ...

This is the equivalent of a man saying sending a rapist or pedophile to prison is overkill. To u its not bc u arent being violated, but u cant speak for the men that have actually experienced this.

unfortunately messing around with someone you wouldn’t have if you had known [insert relevant detail here] is a pretty common experience, and one most people bounce back from

Id put it on par with sexual molestation, most ppl spend their whole lives tryna bounce back from that

otherwise what makes it inherently more of a criminal offense or any more harmful physical/mental state than a person lying about being single or married

its more of a moral issue

And ppl are entitled to their morals. For a group of trans ppl to say "fuck your morals but respect our cause" is the reason we have a problem here

it's comparable to child molestation and rape??? it is subjective, but how?

I believe its a form of molestation. Some women will fucka married man. Some might even continue a relationship even after feeling betrayed. No straight man would ever knowingly fuck another man under any circumstances.

we are speaking of two adults who consented to sexual activity.... the person may not be who they say they are but that's why I argue is more comparable and should be treated no differently than when a person lies about not being married

"Consent to an extent". If a man feels sexually violated he should have a right to pursue legal action. There would be no consent if he knew beforehand that was a trans.

Also, married men have faced legal repercussion for cheating in divorce courts. So one way or another they pay for it.

but i think we can agree when an adult chooses to have a sexual relationship with another person, each “assumes the risk” that the facts might not be as they seem

Lgbtq community demands respect from ppl for their sexual identity. Again, if they are violating other ppls sexual identity its hypocrisy. U cant seem to grasp this.

and unlike with failing to disclose you have HIV, i don't believe the inherent harm (i.e. feelings of betrayal )that would have been avoided by disclosure in both instances does not qualify as the sort of harm with which the criminal law should concern itself

Your morals simply dont align with those u are speaking against so u are indifferent towards it. Same indifference lgbtq rally against when it comes to them or womens rights advocats in the 'cat calling' movement.

Or do you believe we should be allowed to press criminal charges against every person who purposely failed to disclose non-medical related information I deem important before any sexual activity

It depends. In this instance, yes. All situations arent either all-ridiculous or all-reasonable. This one is reasonable.

Regardless, that trans should be prepared for any retaliation that might come. After all, they brought that trouble on themselves. Obviously if a man kills that person it was enough for him to not care about legal repercussion. They wanna put themselves at risk its on them, but then dont cry about it, take accountability.

and why are we making this to be an issue that only effects men.. there are trans men and trans women who also don't immediately disclose their past to women they pursue

This deflection shit is getting tiring. First off, if this happens to a woman my stance applies to her as well. But thats not what we are discussing here. Women and lgbtq march all the time, but we cant even have a discussion sticking to men?

This is the same as a white person telling black lives matter that all lives matter. Lets discuss this first.

 

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[quote="Madame_CJSkywalker]not sure how prevalent this is with trans ppl, but neither are you[/quote]

Do u need to know the specific numbers and rates of rape for u to argue against it?

Or if it only happens to 3 out of 1,000,000 its okay to u?

 

[Like Water]

@Madame_CJSkywalker Your attempts at upholding the nonsensical "logic" of neo-feminism, and defense of trans people, makes you look ignorant, naive, out of touch, oblivious, incapable of objectivity and empathy, dumb, disillusioned, disingenuous, and an all-around wack poster/person.

Getting drunk and having a one night stand with a person you perceive to be a woman, only to find out that "it" was a man won't have major psychological ramifications? Gtfoh.

I'm tired of you "progressive" women trying to rationalize the images of funhouse mirrors with your defense of human seahorses.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

some argue it's a greater offense because a person is then compromising your sexuality, but i would counter why would he or she consider that to be worst than someone compromising your emotions, morals and or ethics when they purposely mislead you into engaging in sexual contact with a person under the false impression they were single

Right, so we can agree that its subjective and everyone is entitled to their opinions. Only reason this is a problem is bc some trans want ppl to respect their values/beliefs while violating others. Its not consistent.

and while non-disclosure can cause a person psychological harm, it doesn't cause any true physical harm like not disclosing you have an STD or sexual assault/rape

Very highly disagree. An std can be cured and if youre talking abouy hiv/aids, have u ever gone into threads where ppl said "i'd kill that bitch!" And defend the dirty bitch like u are doing for trans right now? Doubt it.

Also, id argue psychological harm is more difficult to deal with. Ask gay men who've been molested by adult men in their youth.

AND how many girls do u know would date/marry a man who has fucked another man trans or not? Would u yourself do so?

So if a man was tricked into it, he would probably be inclined to keep it from any girl he meets for fear of losing her. And even worse he hid it and she left him when she found out bc she figured he must be gay.

To downplay those psychological effects is ignorant af.

again i'd ultimately leave it up to the civil courts to award any damages to a person they see fit

sending someone to prison over is extreme ...

This is the equivalent of a man saying sending a rapist or pedophile to prison is overkill. To u its not bc u arent being violated, but u cant speak for the men that have actually experienced this.

unfortunately messing around with someone you wouldn’t have if you had known [insert relevant detail here] is a pretty common experience, and one most people bounce back from

Id put it on par with sexual molestation, most ppl spend their whole lives tryna bounce back from that

otherwise what makes it inherently more of a criminal offense or any more harmful physical/mental state than a person lying about being single or married

its more of a moral issue

And ppl are entitled to their morals. For a group of trans ppl to say "fuck your morals but respect our cause" is the reason we have a problem here

it's comparable to child molestation and rape??? it is subjective, but how?

I believe its a form of molestation. Some women will fucka married man. Some might even continue a relationship even after feeling betrayed. No straight man would ever knowingly fuck another man under any circumstances.

we are speaking of two adults who consented to sexual activity.... the person may not be who they say they are but that's why I argue is more comparable and should be treated no differently than when a person lies about not being married

"Consent to an extent". If a man feels sexually violated he should have a right to pursue legal action. There would be no consent if he knew beforehand that was a trans.

Also, married men have faced legal repercussion for cheating in divorce courts. So one way or another they pay for it.

but i think we can agree when an adult chooses to have a sexual relationship with another person, each “assumes the risk” that the facts might not be as they seem

Lgbtq community demands respect from ppl for their sexual identity. Again, if they are violating other ppls sexual identity its hypocrisy. U cant seem to grasp this.

and unlike with failing to disclose you have HIV, i don't believe the inherent harm (i.e. feelings of betrayal )that would have been avoided by disclosure in both instances does not qualify as the sort of harm with which the criminal law should concern itself

Your morals simply dont align with those u are speaking against so u are indifferent towards it. Same indifference lgbtq rally against when it comes to them or womens rights advocats in the 'cat calling' movement.

Or do you believe we should be allowed to press criminal charges against every person who purposely failed to disclose non-medical related information I deem important before any sexual activity

It depends. In this instance, yes. All situations arent either all-ridiculous or all-reasonable. This one is reasonable.

Regardless, that trans should be prepared for any retaliation that might come. After all, they brought that trouble on themselves. Obviously if a man kills that person it was enough for him to not care about legal repercussion. They wanna put themselves at risk its on them, but then dont cry about it, take accountability..

lol @ "No straight man would ever knowingly fuck another man under any circumstances"

and no principled woman or woman is going to continue to have sex with a married person or person in a serious committed relationship under any circumstances

don't be naïve...a lot of supposedly straight men like to mess around with trans ppl...human sexuality is a spectrum. word to donald glover

and regardless if the women or man continues to have sex with the married individual it doesn't change the fact that she or he was initially mislead and deceived into doing something they wouldn't have done had they known

that said, never made the case that one group has a monopoly on hypocrisy ...or should receive preferential treatment

and you don't know shit about my morals

this isn't about gay or trans rights

this is me not condoning violence, murder unless it's in self defense

AGAIN unlike with failing to disclose you have HIV, i don't believe the inherent harm (i.e. feelings of betrayal )that would have been avoided by disclosure imho does not qualify as the sort of harm with which the criminal law should concern itself or worthy of death or bodily injury

civil courts, sure

let's agree to disagree

This deflection shit is getting tiring. First off, if this happens to a woman my stance applies to her as well. But thats not what we are discussing here. Women and lgbtq march all the time, but we cant even have a discussion sticking to men?

This is the same as a white person telling black lives matter that all lives matter. Lets discuss this first.

gtfo lol

who are you to dictate the terms of the discussion...and i don't ever remember agreeing to any terms with anyone else

that said, i was responding to your quote:

" u cant speak for the men that have actually experienced this."

considering i am a woman, to me you are implying the shit doesn't, can't happen to a woman....or rather that it would effect a woman differently somehow ....which is my point of contention

not to mention you don't know what I've been through or experienced

so fall back bruh bro

 

[Like Water]

some argue it's a greater offense because a person is then compromising your sexuality, but i would counter why would he or she consider that to be worst than someone compromising your emotions, morals and or ethics when they purposely mislead you into engaging in sexual contact with a person under the false impression they were single

Right, so we can agree that its subjective and everyone is entitled to their opinions. Only reason this is a problem is bc some trans want ppl to respect their values/beliefs while violating others. Its not consistent.

and while non-disclosure can cause a person psychological harm, it doesn't cause any true physical harm like not disclosing you have an STD or sexual assault/rape

Very highly disagree. An std can be cured and if youre talking abouy hiv/aids, have u ever gone into threads where ppl said "i'd kill that bitch!" And defend the dirty bitch like u are doing for trans right now? Doubt it.

Also, id argue psychological harm is more difficult to deal with. Ask gay men who've been molested by adult men in their youth.

AND how many girls do u know would date/marry a man who has fucked another man trans or not? Would u yourself do so?

So if a man was tricked into it, he would probably be inclined to keep it from any girl he meets for fear of losing her. And even worse he hid it and she left him when she found out bc she figured he must be gay.

To downplay those psychological effects is ignorant af.

again i'd ultimately leave it up to the civil courts to award any damages to a person they see fit

sending someone to prison over is extreme ...

This is the equivalent of a man saying sending a rapist or pedophile to prison is overkill. To u its not bc u arent being violated, but u cant speak for the men that have actually experienced this.

unfortunately messing around with someone you wouldn’t have if you had known [insert relevant detail here] is a pretty common experience, and one most people bounce back from

Id put it on par with sexual molestation, most ppl spend their whole lives tryna bounce back from that

otherwise what makes it inherently more of a criminal offense or any more harmful physical/mental state than a person lying about being single or married

its more of a moral issue

And ppl are entitled to their morals. For a group of trans ppl to say "fuck your morals but respect our cause" is the reason we have a problem here

it's comparable to child molestation and rape??? it is subjective, but how?

I believe its a form of molestation. Some women will fucka married man. Some might even continue a relationship even after feeling betrayed. No straight man would ever knowingly fuck another man under any circumstances.

we are speaking of two adults who consented to sexual activity.... the person may not be who they say they are but that's why I argue is more comparable and should be treated no differently than when a person lies about not being married

"Consent to an extent". If a man feels sexually violated he should have a right to pursue legal action. There would be no consent if he knew beforehand that was a trans.

Also, married men have faced legal repercussion for cheating in divorce courts. So one way or another they pay for it.

but i think we can agree when an adult chooses to have a sexual relationship with another person, each “assumes the risk” that the facts might not be as they seem

Lgbtq community demands respect from ppl for their sexual identity. Again, if they are violating other ppls sexual identity its hypocrisy. U cant seem to grasp this.

and unlike with failing to disclose you have HIV, i don't believe the inherent harm (i.e. feelings of betrayal )that would have been avoided by disclosure in both instances does not qualify as the sort of harm with which the criminal law should concern itself

Your morals simply dont align with those u are speaking against so u are indifferent towards it. Same indifference lgbtq rally against when it comes to them or womens rights advocats in the 'cat calling' movement.

Or do you believe we should be allowed to press criminal charges against every person who purposely failed to disclose non-medical related information I deem important before any sexual activity

It depends. In this instance, yes. All situations arent either all-ridiculous or all-reasonable. This one is reasonable.

Regardless, that trans should be prepared for any retaliation that might come. After all, they brought that trouble on themselves. Obviously if a man kills that person it was enough for him to not care about legal repercussion. They wanna put themselves at risk its on them, but then dont cry about it, take accountability..

lol @ "No straight man would ever knowingly fuck another man under any circumstances"

and no principled woman or woman is going to continue to have sex with a married person or person in a serious committed relationship under any circumstances

don't be naïve...a lot of supposedly straight men like to mess around with trans ppl...human sexuality is a spectrum. word to donald glover

and regardless if the women or man continues to have sex with the married individual it doesn't change the fact that she or he was initially mislead and deceived into doing something they wouldn't have done had they known

that said, never made the case that one group has a monopoly on hypocrisy ...or should receive preferential treatment

and you don't know shit about my morals

this isn't about gay or trans rights

this is me not condoning violence, murder unless it's in self defense

AGAIN unlike with failing to disclose you have HIV, i don't believe the inherent harm (i.e. feelings of betrayal )that would have been avoided by disclosure imho does not qualify as the sort of harm with which the criminal law should concern itself or worthy of death or bodily injury

civil courts, sure

let's agree to disagree

This deflection shit is getting tiring. First off, if this happens to a woman my stance applies to her as well. But thats not what we are discussing here. Women and lgbtq march all the time, but we cant even have a discussion sticking to men?

This is the same as a white person telling black lives matter that all lives matter. Lets discuss this first.

gtfo lol

who are you to dictate the terms of the discussion...and i don't ever remember agreeing to any terms with anyone else

that said, i was responding to your quote:

" u cant speak for the men that have actually experienced this."

considering i am a woman, to me you are implying the shit doesn't, can't happen to a woman....or rather that it would effect a woman differently somehow ....which is my point of contention

not to mention you don't know what I've been through or experienced

so fall back bruh bro

If you ever have a son, for his sake, please don't be on some Gwen Stefani/Charlize Theron shit. Smh. You're heading down that path.

 

[King_Me]

I think you are naive to think that a straight man would knowingly fuck a tranny. That's 100% false. If a "supposedly" straight man has sex with a tranny, you can not call him a heterosexual man. He is an undercover faggot.

 

[Like Water]

I think you are naive to think that a straight man would knowingly fuck a tranny. That's 100% false. If a "supposedly" straight man has sex with a tranny, you can not call him a heterosexual man. He is an undercover faggot.

Her whole stance on just about everything is fucking disingenuous. She's worse than a troll.

 

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lol @ "No straight man would ever knowingly fuck another man under any circumstances"

and no principled woman or woman is going to continue to have sex with a married person or person in a serious committed relationship under any circumstances

But they might still have an attraction to that man and may still want to fuck if he got divorced. No genuinely straight man would go back to a tranny or even still be physically attracted once they know who they actually are.

don't be naïve...a lot of supposedly straight men like to mess around with trans ppl...human sexuality is a spectrum. word to donald glover

Is this convo about undercover homos or about straight men who wouldnt fuck a tranny if given the opportunity? Are u unable to differentiate the two?

and regardless if the women or man continues to have sex with the married individual it doesn't change the fact that she or he was initially mislead and deceived into doing something they wouldn't have done had they known

Would u ever have sex with a transman? Would u ever date/marry a man who knowingly or not fucked trans women?

that said, never made the case that one group has a monopoly on hypocrisy ...or should receive preferential treatment

and you don't know shit about my morals

this isn't about gay or trans rights

this is me not condoning violence, murder unless it's in self defense

My first post responding to u i agreed that no one should be killed. Thats not how our back n forth got here.

AGAIN unlike with failing to disclose you have HIV, i don't believe the inherent harm (i.e. feelings of betrayal )that would have been avoided by disclosure imho does not qualify as the sort of harm with which the criminal law should concern itself or worthy of death or bodily injury

civil courts, sure

And a lot of men wish sexual harrassment and molestation wasnt a crime. I mean who are they harming really? Girls LIKE that kinda attention!!

gtfo lol

who are you to dictate the terms of the discussion...and i don't ever remember agreeing to any terms with anyone else

that said, i was responding to your quote:

" u cant speak for the men that have actually experienced this."

considering i am a woman, to me you are implying the shit doesn't, can't happen to a woman....or rather that it would effect a woman differently somehow ....which is my point of contention

Never implied that whatsoever. I would side with a woman if she experienced this, and stated that to u already. Not sure your point.

not to mention you don't know what I've been through or experienced

Oh do u think im being insensitive about what u might or might not have experienced? Lot of that goin around these days.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

I think you are naive to think that a straight man would knowingly fuck a tranny. That's 100% false. If a "supposedly" straight man has sex with a tranny, you can not call him a heterosexual man. He is an undercover faggot.

Human sexuality is a spectrum was my point

And some trans ppl have everything a woman has...tities, a vagina, etc does that mean that a man who has sex with her is attracted to men

The trans doesnt look or behave like a man. The trans person doesnt have a penis

 

[King_Me]

I think you are naive to think that a straight man would knowingly fuck a tranny. That's 100% false. If a "supposedly" straight man has sex with a tranny, you can not call him a heterosexual man. He is an undercover faggot.

Human sexuality is a spectrum was my point

And some trans ppl have everything a woman has...tities, a vagina, etc does that mean that a man who has sex with her is attracted to men

The trans doesnt look or behave like a man. The trans person doesnt have a penis

Still nigga.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Is this convo about undercover homos or about straight men who wouldnt fuck a tranny if given the opportunity? Are u unable to differentiate the two?

See previous post

and regardless if the women or man continues to have sex with the married individual it doesn't change the fact that she or he was initially mislead and deceived into doing something they wouldn't have done had they known

Would u ever have sex with a transman? Would u ever date/marry a man who knowingly or not fucked trans women?

Not sure how thats relevant

My first post responding to u i agreed that no one should be killed. Thats not how our back n forth got here.

Ok....

Never said anything different

Just clarifying my position...which you continue to mischaracterize

And a lot of men wish sexual harrassment and molestation wasnt a crime. I mean who are they harming really? Girls LIKE that kinda attention!!

As i already stated i don't believe the instances are comparable

And im sure lots of ppl would like to have the person who deceived them into believing that they were single or wealthy or had a big dick thrown into jail but thats not possible nor would i advocate for such laws

Never implied that whatsoever. I would side with a woman if she experienced this, and stated that to u already. Not sure your point.

Oh do u think im being insensitive about what u might or might not have experienced? Lot of that goin around these days.

U spoke as if i couldnt possible understand or rather imagine how it feels to being mislead by a trans person

So you would like these trans ppl who dont immediately disclose their past thrown into prison. What would be like a minium sentence look like?

Also this idea that there is this large contingent of trans ppl are purposely with holding this info for the sole purpose of wanting to fuck with the heads of staright men is false.... It happens...but most just want to live their lives without any judgement and be treated viewed as the gender they identify as

That said, and i repeat, nondisclosing that info is foul but shouldnt be criminal

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Lol I'll give @Madame_CJSkywalker credit. She is a warrior. She be on here fighting battles with 300 level odds. If only she used her powers for good.

 

[Go figure]

Would u ever have sex with a transman? Would u ever date/marry a man who knowingly or not fucked trans women?

Not sure how thats relevant

Thats not an answer :angry:

 

[Trollio]

@Madame_CJSkywalker what time you inboxing me your nudes?

Are they holographic?

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

Would u ever have sex with a transman? Would u ever date/marry a man who knowingly or not fucked trans women?

Not sure how thats relevant

Thats not an answer :angry:

Sure

 

[deadeye]

@"i ro ny" 's video pretty much sums it up:

 

[Go figure]

U spoke as if i couldnt possible understand or rather imagine how it feels to being mislead by a trans person

No...that u dont know what it would feel like for a man to find out he actually fucked a man. If u knew we wouldnt be goin back n forth

So you would like these trans ppl who dont immediately disclose their past thrown into prison. What would be like a minium sentence look like?

If sHe fucks a man without tellin him, yes. Not necessarily prison but some form of repercussion at least.

Also this idea that there is this large contingent of trans ppl are purposely with holding this info for the sole purpose of wanting to fuck with the heads of staright men is false.... It happens...but most just want to live their lives without any judgement and be treated viewed as the gender they identify as

Most men arent rapists, should we ignore that rape happens then?

We're not talking about the good apples, just the bad. Lets learn to stay on topic.

That said, and i repeat, nondisclosing that info is foul but shouldnt be criminal

Reverting back to my first post, they can get mad n think its a game all they want, but if they cant take accountability, hopefully they dont run into the wrong guy who dont gaf about nunna this shit we're talkin about

 

[LordZuko]

What it boils down to is this: can't nobody tell a man what to think, or how to react, nor can anyone tell a man what to say.

Madam whatever the fuck and who else can argue all day long that saying killing a nigga in a wig for fooling you is wrong, that's their opinion and they're entitled to it. But they can't stop the repercussions from happening they not gonna stop men from being men and saying what they feel and standing on it.

I stand with duval on the principle he has a right to express his feelings and his thoughts. I also stand with him because he stood on his word. Too many pussy ass niggas back down at the slightest hint of disapproval. Fuck anybody who thinks they can police how a man thinks or what he says.

There's nothing to argue about beyond this point.

 

[Plutarch]

By the definition of the word justified, I'd say it very well might be. Especially until they come up with a law that punishes a tranny who didn't make it known upfront.

Heh, so you do think it's justified to murder a tranny who "tricked" you into sex? Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree there.

And as much as I would like to believe a tranny's physical traits should give them away, like @beta said in the other thread, "tranny technology" is likely advanced at this point and I wouldn't put the onus on the other person to figure that shit out. It's the tranny's responsibility and it's the tranny who is committing some type of fraudulent shit.

I can partially agree (even if your "advanced tranny technology" point might, at this point in time, be more of an exception than the rule), but regardless, I believe it's always wise to first count on you being responsible. Imo, you'd be a fool to depend on the (ir)responsibility of the other party, and the other party really has no obligation to be honest. Regardless, responsibility still falls on both parties. I was just focusing on personal responsibility, because like I've said, sometimes that's all you can rely on.

To the extent that people continue to minimize the trauma that this would put somebody through, like it's a fuckin joke or some shit, I'd say there'll be that much more violent responses to it. Maybe if those dudes who would kill them knew there was an actual legal recourse to it, they'd consider another option. And MAYBE if the trannies knew they could face legal repercussions for lying, they'd be up front about it.

Heh, those are lot of maybes. I think you might be more optimistic than me. Imo, generally speaking, people are going to do what they're going to do regardless. Besides, has it actually been established that fraudulent trannies are not subject to legal recourse, or are you just assuming that?

I also feel that you're displacing the blame because the majority of your argument involves what the victim should've done as opposed to the perpetrator.

I don't understand how that makes sense. I don't think I'm playing the blame game. Like I said, it comes down to responsibility for both parties, so I don't see how I'm victim-blaming. Just seems like simple common sense to me. We know the perp is primarily at fault; there's most likely not much disagreement there. But we shouldn't forget about the victim's responsibilities; being a victim doesn't absolve you from irresponsibility.

 

[deadeye]

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