Born WITH sin?

[Hyde Parke]

No you're right. Iran, Saudi, and Kuwait to my knowledge still do stone people to death for certain crimes. I know Iran does for sure because like you said they have a case right now that has been in the news for a while.

yeah thats what i thought. it is still very much in effect in certain countries. i gotta say, that has to be one of the most heinous ways to go.Getting pelted by hundreds of rocks until you die.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

yeah thats what i thought. it is still very much in effect in certain countries. i gotta say, that has to be one of the most heinous ways to go.Getting pelted by hundreds of rocks until you die.

Do you know if they changed how they do it now? Maybe dump a load of rocks on them or somethin? If it's still stand there and let people throw stones at you then yea that's got to be one of the worst.

 

[Hyde Parke]

Do you know if they changed how they do it now? Maybe dump a load of rocks on them or somethin? If it's still stand there and let people throw stones at you then yea that's got to be one of the worst.

i dont know if the exact method is used for each country that practices it, but this is what i found for Iran..

First, you get buried. Iran's Islamic Penal Code states that men convicted of adultery are to be buried in the ground up to their waists; women, up to their chests. If the conviction is based on the prisoner's confession, the law says, the presiding judge casts the first stone. If the conviction is based on witness testimony, the witnesses throw the first stones, then the judge, then everyone else—generally other court officials and security forces. Stones must be of medium size, according to the penal code: Not so big that one or two could kill the person, but not so small that you would call it a pebble. In other words, about the size of a tangerine. The whole process takes less than an hour.

One possible upside of getting stoned is that people who manage to escape from the hole are allowed to go free. But this applies only to those who have confessed to their crimes. (If you were sentenced to stoning on the basis of witness testimony, then digging out of the hole does you no good.) In any case, it's very difficult for anyone to escape the punishment: Prisoners are wrapped in a white cloth sack with their hands tied.

Stonings in Iran used to be public. Between 1983 and about 2000, anyone could attend and throw rocks. After that, public outcry against the practice grew, and stonings began to be carried out in private, often at a cemetery. In 2002, the head of Iran's judiciary issued a moratorium on stoning sentences, but that was more of a guideline rather than a change to the law, so the practice continued even as top officials denied it.

 

[kids in america_]

So you would believe in "pre-destined" lives right? We are all predestined to go to hell, heaven, to follow, to not follow etc?

Vibe, yes I believe in 'predestined' lives, however I don’t believe in the doctrine of heaven or hell.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

i dont know if the exact method is used for each country that practices it, but this is what i found for Iran..

First, you get buried. Iran's Islamic Penal Code states that men convicted of adultery are to be buried in the ground up to their waists; women, up to their chests. If the conviction is based on the prisoner's confession, the law says, the presiding judge casts the first stone. If the conviction is based on witness testimony, the witnesses throw the first stones, then the judge, then everyone else—generally other court officials and security forces. Stones must be of medium size, according to the penal code: Not so big that one or two could kill the person, but not so small that you would call it a pebble. In other words, about the size of a tangerine. The whole process takes less than an hour.

One possible upside of getting stoned is that people who manage to escape from the hole are allowed to go free. But this applies only to those who have confessed to their crimes. (If you were sentenced to stoning on the basis of witness testimony, then digging out of the hole does you no good.) In any case, it's very difficult for anyone to escape the punishment: Prisoners are wrapped in a white cloth sack with their hands tied.
Stonings in Iran used to be public. Between 1983 and about 2000, anyone could attend and throw rocks. After that, public outcry against the practice grew, and stonings began to be carried out in private, often at a cemetery. In 2002, the head of Iran's judiciary issued a moratorium on stoning sentences, but that was more of a guideline rather than a change to the law, so the practice continued even as top officials denied it.

lol damn everyone gets a turn.

 

[VIBE]

Vibe, yes I believe in 'predestined' lives, however I don’t believe in the doctrine of heaven or hell.

Why don't y believe in heaven or hel l and where do u get this from? Just curious.

Side note off topic Steelers r getting spanked.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Why don't y believe in heaven or hel l and where do u get this from? Just curious.

Side note off topic Steelers r getting spanked.

Shots fired at Chozen

 

[VIBE]

Shots fired at Chozen

LOL!

Yeah pretty much. I know it's preseason but dang they ain't doing much right now.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

LOL!

Yeah pretty much. I know it's preseason but dang they ain't doing much right now.

I'm pretty pissed, I wanted Dixon to get the job over Leftwich for the first four games cause our O-Line is too bad for Leftwich to be back there dude has concrete feet but Dixon aint makin his case heard with them two picks

 

[Israelites]

thats incorrect, or am i misunderstanding your post? In fact there is a major case going on this very moment in Iran of a pending stoning for adultry

you misunderstood, I was answering a question based on scripture if stoning was still in effect, which it isn't according to scriptures.... but there are countries that still stone women for adultery...Question: Are they stoning both the male & female for adultery or just the female?

 

[VIBE]

But God created "Satan", for Satan to have been of evil god would also had to have been the creator of evil. You don't create a bottle without using oil and then oil magically appear in the bottles.

For you to say that Satan is the producer of evil is saying that his powers are on God status and God is just confident so says "Oh yeah my lost angel who turned Satan, yea yea, I'll whoop that ass fuggedaboutit!"

I don't believe that. That's because I don't believe in the "predestination" issue. I mean I do, only in the sense of GOOD. He predestined His 'chosen ones' to do good, spread the Word and of course the biggest one, sent His Son to die for OUR sins.

God didn't CREATE Lucifer to be evil. That was brought upon by Lucifer's self. God did nothing to bring that. Lucifer became full of pride and well you know the story.

People assume God created "sin" because He created Lucifer which became sin. God never claims to be the creator of sin, His laws are AGAINST sin! That's the main thing, why create sin for people to do then still be MAD at them because they don't follow you? Seems like a game now doesn't it?

I create all good, everything that is GOOD in God's eyes is all SINLESS and was from the beginning. Everything was perfect. Just like God originally wanted it to be.

Now lets throw in God creates sin, that totally destroys His original plan and destroys His own wants, needs and Laws. Now He's mad because of something HE Himself created. So in this sense I can now blame God for all of my sins and not take ANY responsibility for it. Makes no sense doesn't it?

He only "allowed" all this sin.

If God didn't create sin or create Lucifer to do this, then that leaves the door open to say God isn't perfect. That throws up everyone's panties in a bunch.

God never said from His own mouth He has created sin, never.

The verse taken out of context is...

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

I make peace and create evil (destruction, calamity, misfortune)

take it in context. That's the only way this verse makes sense. If God creates here light/darkness then peace/destruction has to be right? What's destruction though? That would have to mean something bad correct? In Genesis He created everything GOOD. After sin entered the world then He had to bring in 'destruction'.

Many verses state the word "evil", God questions these thing as "Do I not cause all evil/good", "Do I not bring all evil/good". Verses to that effect, but He uses them in a physical damage term, bringing misfortune (disease, sickness) destruction (quakes, floods) calamity. Blah you get the picture.

This is so deeply investigated by the Church and for what purpose? What purpose do we need Satan if we have God that creates all this? God doesn't tempt nor can He be tempted, the Church has very very heavily misinterpreted God. But of course when I say so then they say I'm lost and the devil is attacking me. LOL. I guess their little world is crushed when I try to say these things. How dare I?

They try too hard when it's so easy.

 

[VIBE]

For you to say that Satan is the producer of evil is saying that his powers are on God status and God is just confident so says "Oh yeah my lost angel who turned Satan, yea yea, I'll whoop that ass fuggedaboutit!"

His powers aren't on God's status. God's powers are far greater than anything created. Satan has no powers but a given authority.