Born WITH sin?

[Israelites]

Sin - to err, to miss the mark

A lot of this would make a lot more sense if used the proper meaning of the word.

close...but according to scripture

1 John 3:4 (King James Version)

4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

once people start to understand what it is to "sin" which is the breaking of the law & commandments, they will understand what they will have to do to get back on the strait & narrow path... Most "scc" make up their own terms for sin (ie:smoking,drinking,dancing,music etc..) & then turn around & condemn everybody & their mother for what they feel is a sin instead of just sticking to he scripts... they break ALL the LORDs laws & have the nerve to walk around stating their "blessed & highly favored" ...it's sickening...lol

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

close...but according to scripture

1 John 3:4 (King James Version)

4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

once people start to understand what it is to "sin" which is the breaking of the law & commandments, they will understand what they will have to do to get back on the strait & narrow path... Most "scc" make up their own terms for sin (ie:smoking,drinking,dancing,music etc..) & then turn around & condemn everybody & their mother for what they feel is a sin instead of just sticking to he scripts... they break ALL the LORDs laws & have the nerve to walk around stating their "blessed & highly favored" ...it's sickening...lol

And in order to transgress, you must err, or miss the mark of whatever you are aiming at or not aiming at at all.

 

[VIBE]

close...but according to scripture

1 John 3:4 (King James Version)

4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

once people start to understand what it is to "sin" which is the breaking of the law & commandments, they will understand what they will have to do to get back on the strait & narrow path... Most "scc" make up their own terms for sin (ie:smoking,drinking,dancing,music etc..) & then turn around & condemn everybody & their mother for what they feel is a sin instead of just sticking to he scripts... they break ALL the LORDs laws & have the nerve to walk around stating their "blessed & highly favored" ...it's sickening...lol

Elaborate on this. What is it to sin against Gods laws, what are they?

 

[Israelites]

Elaborate on this. What is it to sin against Gods laws, what are they?

The Royal Law which can be found in the ten commandments ... to show that we love the LORD we follow commandments 1-4 (which includes the 7th day Sabbath, not the 1st day of the week "sun" day service to worship the SUN) in order to love our neighbors we follow commandments 6-10

His Dietary Law is still in effect (we are to make a difference in regards to clean & unclean animals ) & His Holy Days outlined in Leviticus...these days are still to be kept but most "scc" pick & chose what they want to follow & celebrate pagan traditional holidays instead of the Most Highs Holy Days that represent His plans for salvation.

 

[supaman4321]

There was a need for a resurrection though, we were all made UPRIGHT but have gone in search of worldly things, sinful things.

So what can we do to forgive those sinful things we've committed? Jesus was brought to take the burden of our sins and cleanse us from them.

So yes, there still is a need for Jesus. Because we ALL go astray, not one of us is perfect.

This is true partly but there is no need for a resurrection according to the Qur'an God is all-powerful and the only person capable of forgiving sins he forgives and punishes whom he wills according to His complete knowledge and supreme justice there is no need for Him to make a sacrifice in order to do something that only He has the power to do to begin with. Sincere repentance to the One God and a positive life change are all that are necessary to achieve God's Mercy and Forgiveness, he doesn't need to kill Himself

Wa Alaikum

 

[VIBE]

The Royal Law which can be found in the ten commandments ... to show that we love the LORD we follow commandments 1-4 (which includes the 7th day Sabbath, not the 1st day of the week "sun" day service to worship the SUN) in order to love our neighbors we follow commandments 6-10

His Dietary Law is still in effect (we are to make a difference in regards to clean & unclean animals ) & His Holy Days outlined in Leviticus...these days are still to be kept but most "scc" pick & chose what they want to follow & celebrate pagan traditional holidays instead of the Most Highs Holy Days that represent His plans for salvation.

Thanks.

So going back to what you said "made up sins by 'scc'" are those really sins or not? Couldn't the effects of those cause us to fall ino sin?

 

[Israelites]

Thanks.

So going back to what you said "made up sins by 'scc'" are those really sins or not? Couldn't the effects of those cause us to fall ino sin?

They're not sin according to scripture, it may not be good for your health to smoke cigarettes (I wasn't speaking on drugs) or consume alchol, but those aren't sins according to the law, ....scripture tell us not to try & master drink (get drunk) & everything should be done in moderation. Dancing isn't a sin, dancing only leads to sin if that person has a weak mind & allow their lust to get the best of them. Everyone should know their own limits if they truly trying to walk according to the Father's Will.

See its those holier than thou folks that make up what they deem is righetous in their own eyes yet take everything the Most High has set up for us to live by & throw it away, just to proclaim their under "grace" so it's excuses them from seeing the lake come judgment period.

These are some sins according to scripture....

"sun"day worship, eating unclean foods, following false doctrine, honoring pagan customs/holidays...

 

[kids in america_]

And in order to transgress, you must err, or miss the mark of whatever you are aiming at or not aiming at at all.

The "mark", of course, is always understood to be god's commandments , 'his' law.

"...Yet, if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin..." [Rom 7:7].

 

[kids in america_]

The Royal Law which can be found in the ten commandments ... to show that we love the LORD we follow commandments 1-4 (which includes the 7th day Sabbath, not the 1st day of the week "sun" day service to worship the SUN) in order to love our neighbors we follow commandments 6-10

His Dietary Law is still in effect (we are to make a difference in regards to clean & unclean animals ) & His Holy Days outlined in Leviticus...these days are still to be kept but most "scc" pick & chose what they want to follow & celebrate pagan traditional holidays instead of the Most Highs Holy Days that represent His plans for salvation.

Is the stoning of women for adultery still in effect?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

The "mark", of course, is always understood to be god's commandments , 'his' law.

Well its not like when people are aiming at being greedy they fail.

 

[VIBE]

'The bible' does not teach that man has a 'free will'. 'Free will' meaning' as the power of making free choices that are not determined by "prior causes" or are unconstrained by "external circumstances" or by an agency such as fate, divine intervention or divine will.

Can you back up there is no free will? That there is an elect? Because that's what you're obviously stating. No articles, no "religious" links. Scripture.

Lastly, are you a Calvinist?

 

[Israelites]

Is the stoning of women for adultery still in effect?

Not in this day, for the simple fact is "he that is WITHOUT sin" shall cast the first stone...before Christ came in the flesh, they would stone sinners to death but after He came in the flesh He made that statement...that's why we don't cast stones any longer, we'd all be dead since the wages of sin is death.

 

[VIBE]

there's quite a few verses that clearly show how man is imperfect, therefore never having lived without sinning upon exiting the womb;

Thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Matt. 1:21

Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin...If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. John 8:34, 36

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world. I John 5:4

Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. I John 3:6.

And we know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. I John 5:18

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. I John 3:9

Sin shall not have dominion over you; for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Rom. 6:14

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. Jude 24, 25

Well, I guess that you can say we "are born with sin" our flesh is what the sin is.

We aren't born with sin as in spirit wise though, that would be impossible.

But that's what I'm speaking of, in the sense of "spirit". Being born in flesh is obvious, although a baby, child cannot sin (knowing it's sin) they are pretty much pure in the sense they aren't sinning.

God asks us to make ourselves like little children (spiritually) so in that sense this is why we cannot be sinners spiritually. God has made all of us upright, in His image and likeness.

Since our flesh is our sin, this is why from the moment we are born, our flesh starts dying.

Calvinist, oh gosh them Calvinist, seem to think that babies are born sinning. They sinfully cry because they "selfishly cry". They say NO and have anger, so that's sin.

Cannot be, because if one doesn't know, then how can it count?

Take the story of when Jesus healed the blind man and used that also to explain to the Pharisees, "if you were blind, you wouldn't be guilty of sin. Now that you say you see, you are guilty of your sins". That there shuts the door imo on them, but they don't wanna "see it". lol go figure right?

 

[kids in america_]

Can you back up there is no free will? That there is an elect? Because that's what you're obviously stating. No articles, no "religious" links. Scripture.

“To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven…” [Ecc 3:1 KJV]

Read Ecclesiastes Chapter three.

The theme of Ecc Chapter 3 is that there is a time for all things to happen —a time that is appointed by ‘god’. Our supposed “free will” cannot resist any of god’s appointed times in which each foreordained purpose of any small or big event must occur. As Paul of Tarus says, “Who has resisted god’s purpose [Rom. 9:19]?" According to the raw data I gathered from the“the bible”, NO ONE has resisted god’s purpose.

Lastly, are you a Calvinist?

No

 

[VIBE]

Interesting.

I'll have to see this deeper but our interpretations are different. I won't put my foot in my mouth right now so I'll keep quiet for now.

 

[usmarin3]

Life is about dualities imo, sinning is a part of life. You can't have goodness with sinning, it balances each other out. That's essentially what the Bible represents, duality.

 

[kids in america_]

Interesting.

I'll have to see this deeper but our interpretations are different. I won't put my foot in my mouth right now so I'll keep quiet for now.

Where's Pharaoh "free will"?

KJV's translation reads:

Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Exo 7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

Exo 7:4 But Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you, that I may lay my hand upon Egypt, and bring forth mine armies, and my people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great judgments.

Exo 14:3 For Pharaoh will say of the children of Israel, They are entangled in the land, the wilderness hath shut them in.

Exo 14:4 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the LORD. And they did so.

 

[VIBE]

So you would believe in "pre-destined" lives right? We are all predestined to go to hell, heaven, to follow, to not follow etc?

 

[Hyde Parke]

Not in this day, for the simple fact is "he that is WITHOUT sin" shall cast the first stone...before Christ came in the flesh, they would stone sinners to death but after He came in the flesh He made that statement...that's why we don't cast stones any longer, we'd all be dead since the wages of sin is death.

thats incorrect, or am i misunderstanding your post? In fact there is a major case going on this very moment in Iran of a pending stoning for adultry

 

[ThaChozenWun]

thats incorrect, or am i misunderstanding your post? In fact there is a major case going on this very moment in Iran of a pending stoning for adultry

No you're right. Iran, Saudi, and Kuwait to my knowledge still do stone people to death for certain crimes. I know Iran does for sure because like you said they have a case right now that has been in the news for a while.