Born WITH sin?

[ThaChozenWun]

The question was "Is there anyone here that thinks that we are born with sin?", not "does the bible say we are born with sin"?

A more appropriate analogy would be me asking you if you believe in magic and you answer "Well, I don't think Harry Potter really exists, but those books say magic is real". Why the fuck would you even bother reference a fictional book in response to a question about what you believe to be real?

Think about it. You came into the thread, announced that you do not believe the contents of the bible are true, and then referenced it's content in your statement. It's one of the most logically dysfunctional things I've ever seen.

Pointing out to those who follow the bible that the bible teaches no while the church teaches yes.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Thats why the bible says gods name is "I am" it all constitutes ones self. The things it teaches affect you. Worship yourself, believe in yourself, do right by yourself and in the end you will find peace within yourself.

I think that is why "jesus" said 'I AM' as well, because once you strip away everything you think you are, what left is there to say except 'I AM'. I AM is the most complete and accurate answer to the question "who are you?". I feel like I am talking to myself saying this to you as we share quite a bit of the same thought waves.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

I think that is why "jesus" said 'I AM' as well, because once you strip away everything you think you are, what left is there to say except 'I AM'. I AM is the most complete and accurate answer to the question "who are you?". I feel like I am talking to myself saying this to you as we share quite a bit of the same thought waves.

We were both brainwashed by the same Satanic books on life.

 

[shootemwon]

Pointing out to those who follow the bible that the bible teaches no while the church teaches yes.

It actually sounds like you're informing people who follow the church, since people who follow the bible would likely already be aware. Nonetheless, I still don't see why it reinforces YOUR belief that we are born without sin since you don't believe the bible.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

It actually sounds like you're informing people who follow the church, since people who follow the bible would likely already be aware. Nonetheless, I still don't see why it reinforces YOUR belief that we are born without sin since you don't believe the bible.

I don't believe in sin at all. I believe in struggle within yourself and that's it. If you see the bible the way I do, it isn't a book about a god and his undying want for us to suck his dick it's a book about how to live with self told through fables. That's where the reinforcement comes in. If you take out the divinity and whole god thing the bible can teach you alot about your inner-self and how to live life without want, stress, worries, etc... And there are people who claim to be bible followers yet adhere to church law still.

 

[shootemwon]

I don't believe in sin at all. I believe in struggle within yourself and that's it. If you see the bible the way I do, it isn't a book about a god and his undying want for us to suck his dick it's a book about how to live with self told through fables. That's where the reinforcement comes in. If you take out the divinity and whole god thing the bible can teach you alot about your inner-self and how to live life without want, stress, worries, etc... And there are people who claim to be bible followers yet adhere to church law still.

Then you are saying you view it as a work of fiction, but one with some valuable messages for real life? Either way, it seems irrelevant what the bible does or does not say about original sin.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Then you are saying you view it as a work of fiction, but one with some valuable messages for real life? Either way, it seems irrelevant what the bible does or does not say about original sin.

To the first part yea.

And to me I find it relevant because even if I don't find it to be true, telling people they aren't cursed from birth is beneficial to their life and if their life is less stressful because of it it is worth the 5 seconds I spent typing it. My grandmother spent 75 years of her life trying to get me to be born again because she thought I was covered in sin from birth. If she spent half that time doing something constructive she wouldn't of died living in the projects broke.

 

[shootemwon]

To the first part yea.

And to me I find it relevant because even if I don't find it to be true, telling people they aren't cursed from birth is beneficial to their life and if their life is less stressful because of it it is worth the 5 seconds I spent typing it. My grandmother spent 75 years of her life trying to get me to be born again because she thought I was covered in sin from birth. If she spent half that time doing something constructive she wouldn't of died living in the projects broke.

You're 75?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

You're 75?

lol Yea........... I fucked up.

She spent 20 years of her life trying to get me to be born again and the other 55 trying to convert others.

 

[shootemwon]

lol Yea........... I fucked up.

She spent 20 years of her life trying to get me to be born again and the other 55 trying to convert others.

I was about to ask how she could try to get you to be born again when hadn't been born a first time lol

 

[VIBE]

although the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth.

This is straight BULLSHIT!
We was created in the way we was created. All this "what god said" and "what god wants" is the imagination of man, weather young or old. Believing this crap means you basically believe god created us with some useless qualities just to deny it and call it sin. The bible and a lot of other religions try to ban instinct. We are a higher form of animal with a conscious, with awareness, with logic and reason. If it wasn't for these qualities we would be shitting on the spot, sniffing ass and fucking right next to the pile of shit.

They say Jesus was perfect. That's bullshit too. If he really existed he was a greedy little bastard that tried to horde god just like the rest of these religous nuts, with his "only through me" crap. Greedy!!!!!
Don't be you, whom god made you to be is the overall message of Christianity.
Faith means not wanting to know what is true!

Can you tell me where you get that "God created us with some useless qualities" ?

God never created us with sin bro. God created us with the nature to reject evil and choose good, that is fact.

Romans 2:14-15
"When the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another."

THis describes the good and upright nature that God has created us with. It describes the rational moral nature that God has given us. It tells us that, having been created in the image and likeness of God, we are not like the dumb beasts of the field. We are like God; we are rational moral beings with "the law of God written in our hearts." Every human being, when he has come to the "age of accountability" and has a knowledge of good and evil, and knows to choose the good and refuse the evil, has the law of God written in his heart. He has a conscience that bears witness to him of the moral character of his actions, he has thoughts that accuse him when he does evil, and thoughts that excuse him when he does good.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Gibberish!
What's evil? To live backwards.

Well this is true, if you are constantly clashing your positive energy with negative energy you never get the chance to live life. So Evil would be living life backwards.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Gibberish!

What's evil? To live backwards.

What do you mean living backwards?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Spell live backwards.

Ahh damn, read that sentence a totally different way lol. Time for bed I guess.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Is that an invite?

Temptation perhaps

Resist temptation in all its forms and fashions!

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Now that's a sin

I think you just committed blasphemy in some religion somewhere.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." Psalm 51:5

 

[VIBE]

"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." Psalm 51:5

David is not saying he was born a sinner, which would have been an excuse for his sins in a Psalm which was clearly a Psalm of confession. He was confessing the great extent and guilt of the sin he had committed. He broke out in the language of strong feeling and emotion, the language of figure and symbol, to express the level of his sin.

Psalms is FULL of figurative, symbolic speech.

 

[VIBE]

"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me." Psalm 51:5

Do you believe in free will DoU?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

David is not saying he was born a sinner, which would have been an excuse for his sins in a Psalm which was clearly a Psalm of confession. He was confessing the great extent and guilt of the sin he had committed. He broke out in the language of strong feeling and emotion, the language of figure and symbol, to express the level of his sin.

Psalms is FULL of figurative, symbolic speech.

I believe God and what He states in the scriptures my friend. It's as clear as day right there in black and white. There no sense in even arguing this. If you want to believe that man wasn't born in sin, fine. I will believe God.

Lets talk about the cure though. Jesus Christ who knew no sin, was made sin for us. He is the balm of Giliead. He is the medicine for our sins. He is the remedy for our transgressions. He is the great physician who cares for His sheep. Glorify Him by preaching His kingdom and leading lost souls into His pasture. God bless.