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ether-i-am;1146482 said:hell yeah! my 1yr old is the perfect example of a sinner! she's bad as hell!
ThaChozenWun;1147488 said:You already know my stance on this, but for those that don't, No. Not only because I'm not a believer of the bible but becuase....
The bible specifically tells you multiple times that people are born without sin and that it is against our own nature to sin.
VIBE86;1147626 said:Stupidly enough, Calvinist's think different.
We are born WITH sin and it's in our NATURE to sin and God's wrath is upon everyone, INCLUDING infants in the womb.
LOL! Wow at the false doctrine of MAN, not God! Fools.
I'm in a debate on another site about this subject and wow at them lol I was taught this in my church but always looked at it weird like how is that possible? But of course accepted the spoon. Now falling into my studies I've found out a lot actually.
1. We aren't born sinners. It's against our nature to do so.
2. We all have free will. (Calvinists seem to think we don't. Everything is "predetermined")
3. God is NOT all knowing. He knows His creation though. He knows us; our hearts, our thoughts (notice, thoughts, current as it's happening) He knows how His creations started and will end. He knew He had to create Jesus for our sins. He doesn't know what I will do with my life, He doesn't know my outcome. He doesn't know what I will think or do tomorrow. Because there is absolutely no scripture to support this, this is why I believe this now. I found this out through my "free will" study.
So stupid are we the church that feeds in to doctrine that has been passed down and twisted and passed down and twisted.
The bible is so simple if we just study it in the up most simplistic way we will understand it better.
Trust when I say it's been hard because these stupid teachings have been embedded into my head. It's been hard because I feel I'm going against God but all in all I've found I am not doing that. I've found the TRUTH!
Damn I feel like DoU with that last sentence lol anyway, let the thread go back to it's original theme..
ether-i-am;1147662 said:I wonder why we couldn't be born saints. What does a baby do that's considered sin?
ether-i-am;1147662 said:I wonder why we couldn't be born saints. What does a baby do that's considered sin?
VIBE86;1147626 said:Trust when I say it's been hard because these stupid teachings have been embedded into my head. It's been hard because I feel I'm going against God but all in all I've found I am not doing that. I've found the TRUTH!
ThaChozenWun;1147488 said:You already know my stance on this, but for those that don't, No. Not only because I'm not a believer of the bible but becuase....
The bible specifically tells you multiple times that people are born without sin and that it is against our own nature to sin.
VIBE86;1148351 said:Who committed the original sin?
shootemwon;1147937 said:So you don't believe the contents of the bible are true, but you believe we are born without sin because that's what the bible says?
VIBE86;1148672 said:It would have to be Satan, period. No other. That's the ORIGINAL ORIGINAL sin.
The original sin for mankind would be Adam, but why? Why not Eve. Man was supposed to rule over everything, so all in all it was Adams responsibility.
ether-i-am;1148804 said:although the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth.
This is straight BULLSHIT!
We was created in the way we was created. All this "what god said" and "what god wants" is the imagination of man, weather young or old. Believing this crap means you basically believe god created us with some useless qualities just to deny it and call it sin. The bible and a lot of other religions try to ban instinct. We are a higher form of animal with a conscious, with awareness, with logic and reason. If it wasn't for these qualities we would be shitting on the spot, sniffing ass and fucking right next to the pile of shit.
They say Jesus was perfect. That's bullshit too. If he really existed he was a greedy little bastard that tried to horde god just like the rest of these religous nuts, with his "only through me" crap. Greedy!!!!!
Don't be you, whom god made you to be is the overall message of Christianity.
Faith means not wanting to know what is true!
BiblicalAtheist;1148856 said:If you strip away your personality(all the things you think constitutes "you"), what have you left? The imagination of man's heart is evil(sacrificing[mentally, physically, emotionally] others before themselves). They don't want instinct banned, they want you to control it. The thinking mind ought to be higher than the reactive(instinctual) mind.
Or maybe jesus meant that the only way to truth is through THE WAY he conducted himself. Through forgiveness, compassion and awareness. So don't be you, well WHO are YOU anyway, but a bunch of erroneous ideas and material objects.
ThaChozenWun;1148820 said:No I don't believe it, but if someone is asking a question about it I'm giving them an honest answer.
Do I believe the bible No.
But does the bible say we are not born with sin - Yes.
If somebody asked me if The Hobbit had a ring in it and I said yes the book "The Hobbit" has a ring in it does that mean I must believe that book?