Black History Specialist Aaron Johnson: Harry Belefonte was right about Jay-Z.

[texasdaking88]

Feelings all over the place.

If anybody ya'll should get mad at blame Harry Belefonte..he was the one that saw something in Mr. Carter-Knowles that wasn't right..

@texasdaking88

Calm down groupie, don't trip over your cape to push that feelings button..it ain't that serious.

Nigga u have pushed that feelings button for every single post u didn't agree with.. damn u a wack ass poster

Chill usmarin3's lil' brother...go cry in a corner.

U ain't funny b

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Feelings all over the place.

If anybody ya'll should get mad at blame Harry Belefonte..he was the one that saw something in Mr. Carter-Knowles that wasn't right..

@texasdaking88

Calm down groupie, don't trip over your cape to push that feelings button..it ain't that serious.

Nigga u have pushed that feelings button for every single post u didn't agree with.. damn u a wack ass poster

Chill usmarin3's lil' brother...go cry in a corner.

U ain't funny b but i'm a bitch

Exactly. Now to get this thread back on topic...

What you eat don't make me shit....

-Shawn Carter

 

[texasdaking88]

Feelings all over the place.

If anybody ya'll should get mad at blame Harry Belefonte..he was the one that saw something in Mr. Carter-Knowles that wasn't right..

@texasdaking88

Calm down groupie, don't trip over your cape to push that feelings button..it ain't that serious.

Nigga u have pushed that feelings button for every single post u didn't agree with.. damn u a wack ass poster

Chill usmarin3's lil' brother...go cry in a corner.

U ain't funny b but i'm a bitch

Exactly. Now to get this thread back on topic...

What you eat don't make me shit....

-Shawn Carter

What does that have to do with anything dealing with the topic tho.. I addressed the topic u presented.. didn't even talk about jay when I did.. the same way Mr. Belefonte wasn't just talking about him.. u barking up the wrong tree cuz.. control ur emotions and we might have a healthy debate.. u wanna make everything about jay z yet u call other people stans .. if he was never mentioned in this piece, my response would have been the same.. I stand by my point I made earlier

 

[Disciplined InSight]

queue the nigga talking about harry belefonte and black activism that creates another thread about chris brown and drake beef. u prolly white lol. keep hitting that feelings button tho.

I created that thread to add a little traffic...yet you read it didn't you? Good thing you noticed it.

Oh yeah, I gave you another feelings for being such a sensitive bitch.

 

[FucktheIC]

niggas still fighting 50 year old battles when the issues facing the black community have advanced.

Jay-Z and Diddy aren't why our communities suck. Our communities suffer from a lack of infrastructure and investment. Whenever there IS investment, it's when areas are becoming gentrified and we're pushing the black people out.

But yeah, I guess I'd scapegoat rappers too if I didn't have the balls it took to really address the issue.

 

[CirocObama]

niggas still fighting 50 year old battles when the issues facing the black community have advanced.

Jay-Z and Diddy aren't why our communities suck. Our communities suffer from a lack of infrastructure and investment. Whenever there IS investment, it's when areas are becoming gentrified and we're pushing the black people out.

But yeah, I guess I'd scapegoat rappers too if I didn't have the balls it took to really address the issue.

Stop it. Rappers never wanna take responsibility for anything they out here selling, which is bullshit. They been selling the same excuse since the late 80s and early 90s. They sell alot of lies, perceptions, images, words etc to the kids that kids really think is reality. They are definitely NOT the biggest problem nor are they our only problem but if you really look at what rap does to alot of younger kids, mentally - in a bad way, whether they're from America, Europe or whatever then you'd know it's the reality of it.

If you truly know psychology then you'd know.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

niggas still fighting 50 year old battles when the issues facing the black community have advanced.

Jay-Z and Diddy aren't why our communities suck. Our communities suffer from a lack of infrastructure and investment. Whenever there IS investment, it's when areas are becoming gentrified and we're pushing the black people out.

But yeah, I guess I'd scapegoat rappers too if I didn't have the balls it took to really address the issue.

Stop it. Rappers never wanna take responsibility for anything they out here selling, which is bullshit. They been selling the same excuse since the late 80s and early 90s. They sell alot of lies, perceptions, images, words etc to the kids that kids really think is reality. They are definitely NOT the biggest problem nor are they our only problem but if you really look at what rap does to alot of younger kids, mentally - in a bad way, whether they're from America, Europe or whatever then you're naive.

If you truly know psychology then you'd know.

@CirocObama

You're the only one that understood the premise of this. Everybody else in their Jay-Z defense mode. Props.

 

[FucktheIC]

niggas still fighting 50 year old battles when the issues facing the black community have advanced.

Jay-Z and Diddy aren't why our communities suck. Our communities suffer from a lack of infrastructure and investment. Whenever there IS investment, it's when areas are becoming gentrified and we're pushing the black people out.

But yeah, I guess I'd scapegoat rappers too if I didn't have the balls it took to really address the issue.

Stop it. Rappers never wanna take responsibility for anything they out here selling, which is bullshit. They been selling the same excuse since the late 80s and early 90s. They sell alot of lies, perceptions, images, words etc to the kids that kids really think is reality. They are definitely NOT the biggest problem nor are they our only problem but if you really look at what rap does to alot of younger kids, mentally - in a bad way, whether they're from America, Europe or whatever then you're naive.

If you truly know psychology then you'd know.

I don't know psychology, but I do know policy. I do know that black neighborhoods have struggled from a lack of resources for several generations. I also know that hip-hop is a symptom and not an illness. I am also aware that this symptom has now possibly entered a cycle of illness to symptom ad infinitum. However, getting rid of hip hop will not change it.

What you're doing is playing into the hands of what many racists say. It's not society's fault, it's their fault, it's their culture.

Bullshit, I don't blame hip-hop for the position black America's in. Every single racial group has received investment in their neighborhoods where black neighborhoods chronically and historically suffer from a lack of resources.

I'm not absolving hip-hop, however, unlike you, I am not scapegoating it either.

 

[aneed123]

Murder dope pussy trickin rappers glorify that shit then act naive when the yougins imitate that shit.

 

[700]

he would have never said that about boosie

 

[CirocObama]

niggas still fighting 50 year old battles when the issues facing the black community have advanced.

Jay-Z and Diddy aren't why our communities suck. Our communities suffer from a lack of infrastructure and investment. Whenever there IS investment, it's when areas are becoming gentrified and we're pushing the black people out.

But yeah, I guess I'd scapegoat rappers too if I didn't have the balls it took to really address the issue.

Stop it. Rappers never wanna take responsibility for anything they out here selling, which is bullshit. They been selling the same excuse since the late 80s and early 90s. They sell alot of lies, perceptions, images, words etc to the kids that kids really think is reality. They are definitely NOT the biggest problem nor are they our only problem but if you really look at what rap does to alot of younger kids, mentally - in a bad way, whether they're from America, Europe or whatever then you're naive.

If you truly know psychology then you'd know.

I don't know psychology, but I do know policy. I do know that black neighborhoods have struggled from a lack of resources for several generations. I also know that hip-hop is a symptom and not an illness. I am also aware that this symptom has now possibly entered a cycle of illness to symptom ad infinitum. However, getting rid of hip hop will not change it.

What you're doing is playing into the hands of what many racists say. It's not society's fault, it's their fault, it's their culture.

Bullshit, I don't blame hip-hop for the position black America's in. Every single racial group has received investment in their neighborhoods where black neighborhoods chronically and historically suffer from a lack of resources.

I'm not absolving hip-hop, however, unlike you, I am not scapegoating it either.

So unlike me, you're not scapegoating it? LOL seems like you are doing it, just not using hip-hop.

I cleary never blamed the struggle of black america all on hip-hop or whatever all i said was the negative effects hip-hop has on alot of kids yet im scapegoating it? Think again. Seems like you are either naive or delusional about it. I'm a realist. I love hip-hop just like you but truth is truth.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Murder dope pussy trickin rappers glorify that shit then act naive when the yougins imitate that shit.

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

-Charles Colton

 

[thefocusman2]

I see a lot of the rhetoric pointed at Jay-Z, Puff etc about how they exploit negative images for gain and how it's damaging the community but I have yet to see anybody point out parenting. Hip hop isn't the only form of entertainment with negative images. I've never looked at any entertainer for my next move and I don't expect them to hand it to me. The problem is a lot of the black community waiting for that hand out instead of helping each other rise above it. It used to be "each one, teach one" but those days are far gone. That's not Jay-Z's, Puff's Russell's or any other entertainers fault.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

I see a lot of the rhetoric pointed at Jay-Z, Puff etc about how they exploit negative images for gain and how it's damaging the community but I have yet to see anybody point out parenting. Hip hop isn't the only form of entertainment with negative images. I've never looked at any entertainer for my next move and I don't expect them to hand it to me. The problem is a lot of the black community waiting for that hand out instead of helping each other rise above it. It used to be "each one, teach one" but those days are far gone. That's not Jay-Z's, Puff's Russell's or any other entertainers fault.

Parenting should be the foundation anyways. But kids will still have a mind of their own to imitate what they see on MTV/BET and what they hear on the radio 24/7, which gets pushed heavily. Yes, parenting is a must but unless these parents take away their smartphones and televisions then it's still a moot point. Hip Hop is a big business and these rappers are part of the business and they must supply what their boss tell them to.

 

[thefocusman2]

All that understood, it's still not enough to convince me that music is damaging the community. Going by your logic, only kids/teens that don't have the proper parenting are the ones really affected by what they see on tv or hear on radio. I grew up on hip hop (NWA, Death Row, Shiny Suit Era, Ruff Ryder/Rocafella, No Limit Etc), seen many R-Rated movies, I grew up in the projects in Brooklyn. I saw all types of shit growing up, but it having my moms and pops steer me the right way made a difference. It also was an entirely different era than now. Back then if Ms. Johnson from up the street saw me doing something, best believe by the time I got upstairs my moms would know about it lol. Now if you get involved like that the other parent thinks you're wrong. "It takes a village to raise a child" also doesn't exist. Honestly, I don't think the black community has been the same since the crack epidemic. Who you blame for that is a whole different thread.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

All that understood, it's still not enough to convince me that music is damaging the community. Going by your logic, only kids/teens that don't have the proper parenting are the ones really affected by what they see on tv or hear on radio. I grew up on hip hop (NWA, Death Row, Shiny Suit Era, Ruff Ryder/Rocafella, No Limit Etc), seen many R-Rated movies, I grew up in the projects in Brooklyn. I saw all types of shit growing up, but it having my moms and pops steer me the right way made a difference. It also was an entirely different era than now. Back then if Ms. Johnson from up the street saw me doing something, best believe by the time I got upstairs my moms would know about it lol. Now if you get involved like that the other parent thinks you're wrong. "It takes a village to raise a child" also doesn't exist. Honestly, I don't think the black community has been the same since the crack epidemic. Who you blame for that is a whole different thread.

I grew up on the same Hip Hop as you. The "it takes a village to raise a child" mode of operations is dead. It definitely helped back in the day, but as the generation got younger the baby booming got younger as well.

@ the bold...it's funny you mentioned that considered the person we're talking about was a part of that element and expressed himself "therapeutically" the good/bad of that epidemic throughout his music career.

Not to take anything away from Jay..he was one of the few that talked about the negatives of the drug game and painted great pictures vocally that you should NEVER want to go that route, to even start up a rap company..but kids are still impressionable and will go there anyway.

 

[thefocusman2]

I understand you're argument. My argument is that I just don't think he is the blame for the mindsets of this generation. He rhymed about it, but it was also truth in it. And when I say truth, he was rhyming about what all these kids, us, were already seeing in the hood. So if he's just rapping about what we witnessed everyday, is he really saying to us something we didn't already know and experience? How can he, in a sense, perpetuate what we already are living. Get what i'm saying?

 

[Disciplined InSight]

I understand you're argument. My argument is that I just don't think he is the blame for the mindsets of this generation. He rhymed about it, but it was also truth in it. And when I say truth, he was rhyming about what all these kids, us, were already seeing in the hood. So if he's just rapping about what we witnessed everyday, is he really saying to us something we didn't already know and experience? How can he, in a sense, perpetuate what we already are living. Get what i'm saying?

No he's not the blame but he was once an negative element of it, rapped about it, bragged to us, the Hip Hop audience about the fruits of it, both ripe and rotten from his perspective, on his own Roc-A-Fella label, bigging up to it every chance he got with his partners Dame and Biggs and soldiers Bleek, Beans etc....and we loved every part of it.

But Jay's no longer a part of that hood element and has evolved...one of the few entertainers to even be involved with the President and throws him a fundraiser (with Beyonce of course). You could say Jay could be part of the reason that Obama is doing a second term. So being aformer crack dealer from Marcy to where he's at now, the influence is overwhelming and Mr. Belefonte probably sees that and figure Jay could go much deeper with his influence...but is still missing the mark.

 

[32DaysOfInfiniti]

Yea I agree with completely, its sad though, the whole industry is about 90% of that these days. There isnt any balance, the only positive rappers do pop...

Even hip hops conscious few these days still litter their tracks (especially the "radio") with bragging and recycled punchlines about sex drugs and violence.

Our generation is almost built commercial, we just regurgitate shit that niggas was doing in the 90's but bring it back with out the meaning.

I blame the internet

 

[Wild Self]

niggas still fighting 50 year old battles when the issues facing the black community have advanced.

Jay-Z and Diddy aren't why our communities suck. Our communities suffer from a lack of infrastructure and investment. Whenever there IS investment, it's when areas are becoming gentrified and we're pushing the black people out.

But yeah, I guess I'd scapegoat rappers too if I didn't have the balls it took to really address the issue.

Stop it. Rappers never wanna take responsibility for anything they out here selling, which is bullshit. They been selling the same excuse since the late 80s and early 90s. They sell alot of lies, perceptions, images, words etc to the kids that kids really think is reality. They are definitely NOT the biggest problem nor are they our only problem but if you really look at what rap does to alot of younger kids, mentally - in a bad way, whether they're from America, Europe or whatever then you're naive.

If you truly know psychology then you'd know.

@CirocObama

You're the only one that understood the premise of this. Everybody else in their Jay-Z defense mode. Props.

Not on Jay-Z, but on bullshit rap and fake ass imagery. Now the kids who were raised on Puff and Lil Jon are now grown up and making coon ass tracks without skill.