Biggie & Nas Are Both Better Than Tupac

[Kwan Dai]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

Yall stay using this artist shit as a crutch and yall can never explain what makes that rapper the better artist.

Wanna know something that's crazy? I remember it was a thread about Scarface & I said that Face was a lyricist. & people was trying to discredit him because he is not Pun, Canibus, Pharaoh Monch etc. So with the IC Reason logic, artists like Pac & Face wouldn't be coined as lyricists (even tho they are)

It's a not a discredit . Not being a labeled a lyricists doesn't take away from their ability as MC's.

You have to also look at it in reverse Pun, Canibus, Monch aint Pac or Face either. None of them (maybe monch) is as good at story telling as, Face or Politically leaning and emotional as Pac. Not being a Lyricists isn't the deciding factor as to what artists are elite or great.

I don't care how much of a Lyricist Eminem is, dude trash to me.

 

[Screwtape]

years ago I had this thug angel dvd where the whole interview was on. What I got out of it at the time was that it pac merely at the age of 17 was bringing up good points and speaking on real issues like police brutality and homeless people in this country. it wasnt until I got on the internet that some people sadly only got out of it was that he might have been....gay smh fucked up.

bruh, no doubt! honestly, the guy speaks intelligently and is incredibly mature for his age, ive watched most of it and its a great interview (to be fair, i should have mentioned this.) I threw it out there because of the insecurity that seems to stem for some of hardcore pac stans and this has been something of an eye opener as to why that may be the case. if some people are fickle enough to discredit BIG merely because in their opinion pac was a better, more genuine artist, then where does a video where pac is not only not acting nowhere near his thug life image..but is actually very camp and feminine..fit into this equation?

in no way am i criticising 2pac here, quite the opposite. He is a musical legend.

 

[Shizlansky]

If you know pac then you you know what thug life meant to him.

 

[5 Grand]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

My feelings exactly. Great lyrical ability is always impressive but if we're going by just pure lyrical gymnastics, then Lupe and Chino XL would be known as the greatest rappers of all time. Chino XL and Lupe can do lyrical back flips and somersaults over almost anyone.



Making great, versatile songs that speak to people and generations is more important to me, and that's why I'm taking 2pac over anyone.

@ the bolded. That's what Biggie was good at; lyrical gymnastics. His cadence and flow was the absolute best in his era. Nobody could rap like Biggie from 94-97. Listen to his flow on You Can't Stop the Reign, One More Chance (remix), Big Poppa, Ten Crack Commandments, I Got A Story To Tell.

 

[bck145]

^ you don't actually beliee that do you?

big's subject matter was extremely limited

 

[5 Grand]

^ you don't actually beliee that do you?

big's subject matter was extremely limited

It wasn't "extremely" limited. He rapped about being a drug kingpin in the first person. But he also rapped about being a fly guy, nice clothes , cars, smoking weed, and the struggles of every day life.

He was good at "freestyling" meaning rapping free of style.

In fact, check this out;

NBA Jams - Heavy D and Notorious BIG


I don't think Pac ever made a song about Basketball but correct me if I'm wrong

 

[bck145]

lol your really grasping at straws now

 

[Kwan Dai]

lol your really grasping at straws now

I've got to agree. I am sitting here like............Word. Word is bond?

 

[kingblaze84]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

My feelings exactly. Great lyrical ability is always impressive but if we're going by just pure lyrical gymnastics, then Lupe and Chino XL would be known as the greatest rappers of all time. Chino XL and Lupe can do lyrical back flips and somersaults over almost anyone.



Making great, versatile songs that speak to people and generations is more important to me, and that's why I'm taking 2pac over anyone.

@ the bolded. That's what Biggie was good at; lyrical gymnastics. His cadence and flow was the absolute best in his era. Nobody could rap like Biggie from 94-97. Listen to his flow on You Can't Stop the Reign, One More Chance (remix), Big Poppa, Ten Crack Commandments, I Got A Story To Tell.

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

Tupac and biggie, tho both young black brothers from the ghetto, had different backgrounds, grew up with differently. Pac had black panthers all around him, biggie didnt. So you really cant expect biggie as much socially conscious songs as pac a guy who went to panther meetings all the time as a youngster, studied shakespeare, went to art school, was forced to read the NY daily news by his mother, etc.

 

[Shizlansky]

Tupac and biggie, tho both young black brothers from the ghetto, had different backgrounds, grew up with differently. Pac had black panthers all around him, biggie didnt. So you really cant expect biggie as much socially conscious songs as pac a guy who went to panther meetings all the time as a youngster, studied shakespeare, went to art school, was forced to read the NY daily news by his mother, etc.

Yes you can.

Black power is black power.

 

[5 Grand]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

My feelings exactly. Great lyrical ability is always impressive but if we're going by just pure lyrical gymnastics, then Lupe and Chino XL would be known as the greatest rappers of all time. Chino XL and Lupe can do lyrical back flips and somersaults over almost anyone.



Making great, versatile songs that speak to people and generations is more important to me, and that's why I'm taking 2pac over anyone.

@ the bolded. That's what Biggie was good at; lyrical gymnastics. His cadence and flow was the absolute best in his era. Nobody could rap like Biggie from 94-97. Listen to his flow on You Can't Stop the Reign, One More Chance (remix), Big Poppa, Ten Crack Commandments, I Got A Story To Tell. Tupac @ Madison Square Garden.

 

[5th Letter]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

Yall stay using this artist shit as a crutch and yall can never explain what makes that rapper the better artist.

Wanna know something that's crazy? I remember it was a thread about Scarface & I said that Face was a lyricist. & people was trying to discredit him because he is not Pun, Canibus, Pharaoh Monch etc. So with the IC Reason logic, artists like Pac & Face wouldn't be coined as lyricists (even tho they are)

Not being a lyricist based on the technical aspect of rhyming doesn't mean that the artist is wack or isn't good.

 

[kingblaze84]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

My feelings exactly. Great lyrical ability is always impressive but if we're going by just pure lyrical gymnastics, then Lupe and Chino XL would be known as the greatest rappers of all time. Chino XL and Lupe can do lyrical back flips and somersaults over almost anyone.



Making great, versatile songs that speak to people and generations is more important to me, and that's why I'm taking 2pac over anyone.

@ the bolded. That's what Biggie was good at; lyrical gymnastics. His cadence and flow was the absolute best in his era. Nobody could rap like Biggie from 94-97. Listen to his flow on You Can't Stop the Reign, One More Chance (remix), Big Poppa, Ten Crack Commandments, I Got A Story To Tell. Tupac @ Madison Square Garden.

I give Biggie praise in that he was a great rapper and yeah LAD is my fave double disc, I don't deny that. But 2pac was the harder worker and didn't slow down his rhyming, he was more dedicated then Biggie, as much as I love Biggie. That shows 2pac was more serious about being a rapper, he always tried to improve and didn't rest. Biggie didn't put it down like that, so I can't be real and say Biggie is the better rapper when 2pac put in so much more to the craft, while Biggie was either being comfortable or just didn't care enough to put down more rhymes. I get he was young but 2pac was young too.

When 2pac got on his shit, he was a dope ass rapper and that shows in most of his songs. I admit 2pac has some wack songs but 2pac always wrote something else hot to make up for that. He could spit some nice ass bars, and I think you've been underestimating 2pac's storytelling abilities as well, have you ever heard Teardrops and Closed Caskets feat Outlaws? 2pac showed great storytelling abilities on close levels to Biggie but I give Biggie the advantage on delivery, not by a whole lot. But 2pac was more dedicated to making songs out the box, Biggie too often stayed in the same box.

 

[emceemurda]

Rap = Rhyming and Poetry, to be the best rapper you have to be good a both which in this case you got 2 different emcees who were the best at 2 different styles. Big was the rhymer and Pac was the Poet, how you determine who was the best is how you view rap/hip-hop, if its a sport then BIG obviously, but if art your gonna go with Pac. This is where he confusion arises cause how can a genre be both art and sport? In my opinion neither of these 2 should be the greatest cause they both lack the other. In this case you could say eminem is the best rapper cause he has both meaning full songs and is also one of the best technical emcees out there, he is the closest thing to a BIG/PAC fusion.

Nas while being a great legend and rapper he just doesn't have the charisma or icon status as any of those 2. When people say whose the greatest rapper they mean whose the icon of the genre, that man that best represents it ie what Bob Marley was to reggie and what Michael Jackson was to pop.

In my opinion, Big was a great technical emcee but was isn't remembered as much because he was still within the limits of hip-hop genre. Pac broke these limits because he was one of the first to put his soul into the music in a real way, he focused more on poetry and was the better SONG WRITER and overall better artist. People like to forget that he chose to make his lyrics simple because he wanted to reach more people.

"Peeped the weakness in the rap game and sewed it" - 2pac

 

[Listencloser]

I was going to type a long ass rebuttal to the blassphemy going on in this thread then I decided to just let 2Pac do it himself.

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

You niggas give the lyricists to much props.

Pac is shitting on big when it comes to making Quality music.

And yes Fab is better the Big.

You guys keep saying PAC made more quality music.

The truth is that PAC made more QUANTITY music but Notorious BIG is two for two. Two 5 mic classics.

You can't name a wack or sub-par song that Biggie made while he was alive.

FOH groupie

 

[Kwan Dai]

Rap = Rhyming and Poetry, to be the best rapper you have to be good a both which in this case you got 2 different emcees who were the best at 2 different styles. Big was the rhymer and Pac was the Poet, how you determine who was the best is how you view rap/hip-hop, if its a sport then BIG obviously, but if art your gonna go with Pac. This is where he confusion arises cause how can a genre be both art and sport? In my opinion neither of these 2 should be the greatest cause they both lack the other. In this case you could say eminem is the best rapper cause he has both meaning full songs and is also one of the best technical emcees out there, he is the closest thing to a BIG/PAC fusion.

Nas while being a great legend and rapper he just doesn't have the charisma or icon status as any of those 2. When people say whose the greatest rapper they mean whose the icon of the genre, that man that best represents it ie what Bob Marley was to reggie and what Michael Jackson was to pop.

In my opinion, Big was a great technical emcee but was isn't remembered as much because he was still within the limits of hip-hop genre. Pac broke these limits because he was one of the first to put his soul into the music in a real way, he focused more on poetry and was the better SONG WRITER and overall better artist. People like to forget that he chose to make his lyrics simple because he wanted to reach more people.

"Peeped the weakness in the rap game and sewed it" - 2pac

This has to be the most ignorant shit I have ever read on this site.

I don't know what planet you hail from but the Best or Greatest MC was always determined by who was the MOST skilled. Not who is the most popular.. FOH.

 

[Listencloser]

Rap = Rhyming and Poetry, to be the best rapper you have to be good a both which in this case you got 2 different emcees who were the best at 2 different styles. Big was the rhymer and Pac was the Poet, how you determine who was the best is how you view rap/hip-hop, if its a sport then BIG obviously, but if art your gonna go with Pac. This is where he confusion arises cause how can a genre be both art and sport? In my opinion neither of these 2 should be the greatest cause they both lack the other. In this case you could say eminem is the best rapper cause he has both meaning full songs and is also one of the best technical emcees out there, he is the closest thing to a BIG/PAC fusion.

Nas while being a great legend and rapper he just doesn't have the charisma or icon status as any of those 2. When people say whose the greatest rapper they mean whose the icon of the genre, that man that best represents it ie what Bob Marley was to reggie and what Michael Jackson was to pop.

In my opinion, Big was a great technical emcee but was isn't remembered as much because he was still within the limits of hip-hop genre. Pac broke these limits because he was one of the first to put his soul into the music in a real way, he focused more on poetry and was the better SONG WRITER and overall better artist. People like to forget that he chose to make his lyrics simple because he wanted to reach more people.

"Peeped the weakness in the rap game and sewed it" - 2pac

This has to be the most ignorant shit I have ever read on this site.

I don't know what planet you hail from but the Best or Greatest MC was always determined by who was the MOST skilled. Not who is the most popular.. FOH.

There should be a goat/ether/cosign in one button.

 

[emceemurda]

Rap = Rhyming and Poetry, to be the best rapper you have to be good a both which in this case you got 2 different emcees who were the best at 2 different styles. Big was the rhymer and Pac was the Poet, how you determine who was the best is how you view rap/hip-hop, if its a sport then BIG obviously, but if art your gonna go with Pac. This is where he confusion arises cause how can a genre be both art and sport? In my opinion neither of these 2 should be the greatest cause they both lack the other. In this case you could say eminem is the best rapper cause he has both meaning full songs and is also one of the best technical emcees out there, he is the closest thing to a BIG/PAC fusion.

Nas while being a great legend and rapper he just doesn't have the charisma or icon status as any of those 2. When people say whose the greatest rapper they mean whose the icon of the genre, that man that best represents it ie what Bob Marley was to reggie and what Michael Jackson was to pop.

In my opinion, Big was a great technical emcee but was isn't remembered as much because he was still within the limits of hip-hop genre. Pac broke these limits because he was one of the first to put his soul into the music in a real way, he focused more on poetry and was the better SONG WRITER and overall better artist. People like to forget that he chose to make his lyrics simple because he wanted to reach more people.

"Peeped the weakness in the rap game and sewed it" - 2pac

This has to be the most ignorant shit I have ever read on this site.

I don't know what planet you hail from but the Best or Greatest MC was always determined by who was the MOST skilled. Not who is the most popular.. FOH.

Yes, an EMCEE of course is measured by technically ability but a rapper is can be measured differently.