Biggie & Nas Are Both Better Than Tupac

[bck145]

Giving lyricist too much props now? Yo seriously when the hell did it become bad to be a great lyricist? in the past 10 years hip hop has taken the weirdest turn ever

being a great lyricist ain't shit if you ain't a good rapper or aren't saying anything with those lyrics

but when ppl use he's a "lyricist" as an arguement that someones a good rapper is so tired at this point, because to many ppl putting together complex lines that aren't speaking about anything....thats why the old cats get shit on, some of them just piecing words together...who gives a shit, thats not impressive

it's music after all, it needs to sound good and come from your personal expression, not just putting words together

Being a good lyricist IS being a good rapper, niggas trying to change shit around so these wack ass rappers now can have a chance. Not every lyricist sounds like canibus and not every lyricist has the same subject matter as canibus either where they are just saying battle raps the whole time. yall niggas need to get yall shit together on here if yall hip hop fans

And BTW to me, Pac is in fact a lyricist

mf doom is lyrical and he's a terrible rapper, his songs suck, his flow is garbage and his topics are boring....it takes a lot more than just lyrics to make a good rapper....same reason why many like canibus but not many will say he's one of the best rappers

and like you just said pac is a lyricist, i could care less if he's a lyrcisist or not, he flows nice, his music is enjoyable and says something....i also don't listen to joe budden because i think he's "lyrical", i listen because his music is enjoyable and personal

of course you care that pac and joey are lyricist. what the hell are you listening to them for then? their lyrics right? what makes their music enjoyable? mostly their lyrics, right? thats cause they are lyrical. never heard someone say they enjoy both pac and joey for their beats or some shit. Like I said before lyricist dont mean spitting canibus battle raps

ok so your calling them lyricist because of what they are saying as well...rather than how they are putting words together how most ppl define "lyricist"...i agree with you on that point but most ppl will throw a fit if you tell them that

 

[5th Letter]

I would not go that far and say that Biggie is better than Pac when I know his son is gay

I still remember the Biggie son thread

I thought you were locked up?

 

[5th Letter]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

Yall stay using this artist shit as a crutch and yall can never explain what makes that rapper the better artist.

 

[kingblaze84]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

My feelings exactly. Great lyrical ability is always impressive but if we're going by just pure lyrical gymnastics, then Lupe and Chino XL would be known as the greatest rappers of all time. Chino XL and Lupe can do lyrical back flips and somersaults over almost anyone.

Making great, versatile songs that speak to people and generations is more important to me, and that's why I'm taking 2pac over anyone.

 

[Kwan Dai]

Giving lyricist too much props now? Yo seriously when the hell did it become bad to be a great lyricist? in the past 10 years hip hop has taken the weirdest turn ever

being a great lyricist ain't shit if you ain't a good rapper or aren't saying anything with those lyrics

but when ppl use he's a "lyricist" as an arguement that someones a good rapper is so tired at this point, because to many ppl putting together complex lines that aren't speaking about anything....thats why the old cats get shit on, some of them just piecing words together...who gives a shit, thats not impressive

it's music after all, it needs to sound good and come from your personal expression, not just putting words together

Being a good lyricist IS being a good rapper, niggas trying to change shit around so these wack ass rappers now can have a chance. Not every lyricist sounds like canibus and not every lyricist has the same subject matter as canibus either where they are just saying battle raps the whole time. yall niggas need to get yall shit together on here if yall hip hop fans

And BTW to me, Pac is in fact a lyricist

mf doom is lyrical and he's a terrible rapper, his songs suck, his flow is garbage and his topics are boring....it takes a lot more than just lyrics to make a good rapper....same reason why many like canibus but not many will say he's one of the best rappers

and like you just said pac is a lyricist, i could care less if he's a lyrcisist or not, he flows nice, his music is enjoyable and says something....i also don't listen to joe budden because i think he's "lyrical", i listen because his music is enjoyable and personal

of course you care that pac and joey are lyricist. what the hell are you listening to them for then? their lyrics right? what makes their music enjoyable? mostly their lyrics, right? thats cause they are lyrical. never heard someone say they enjoy both pac and joey for their beats or some shit. Like I said before lyricist dont mean spitting canibus battle raps

ok so your calling them lyricist because of what they are saying as well...rather than how they are putting words together how most ppl define "lyricist"...i agree with you on that point but most ppl will throw a fit if you tell them that

I think this is accurate. Most people would define a lyricist as such.

I think RZA is one of the most insightful MC's ever. However, he is no lyricists. While what he says has tons of meaning the way he puts his rhymes together and delivers them is an acquired taste. On the other hand, GZA is a supreme lyricists the way puts words together coupled with substance makes him worthy of that title.

Pac wasn't a Lyricist. Why this is hard to accept is, beyond me. It's doesn't take away from Pacs legacy. If we put Pac in his proper lane his contemporaries are;

Chuck D

Melle Mel

Paris

Brother J

Ice Cube

MC's that had more political and Social leanings in their music. While these MC's were very deep they weren't Lyrical. Their styles are\very basic in there structure and delivery.

 

[a_list]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

Yall stay using this artist shit as a crutch and yall can never explain what makes that rapper the better artist.

Yo, when most of these cats just write and perform lyrics, I wonder the same thing....lol...

 

[5 Grand]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

My feelings exactly. Great lyrical ability is always impressive but if we're going by just pure lyrical gymnastics, then Lupe and Chino XL would be known as the greatest rappers of all time. Chino XL and Lupe can do lyrical back flips and somersaults over almost anyone.



Making great, versatile songs that speak to people and generations is more important to me, and that's why I'm taking 2pac over anyone.

@ the bolded. That's what Biggie was good at; lyrical gymnastics. His cadence and flow was the absolute best in his era. Nobody could rap like Biggie from 94-97. Listen to his flow on You Can't Stop the Reign, One More Chance (remix), Big Poppa, Ten Crack Commandments, I Got A Story To Tell.

 

[Kwan Dai]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

My feelings exactly. Great lyrical ability is always impressive but if we're going by just pure lyrical gymnastics, then Lupe and Chino XL would be known as the greatest rappers of all time. Chino XL and Lupe can do lyrical back flips and somersaults over almost anyone.

Making great, versatile songs that speak to people and generations is more important to me, and that's why I'm taking 2pac over anyone.

I'm not sure who said, that being a lyricists is the end all be all. Or is the defining factor for what ultimately makes a great MC. I think there many things that make a great MC.

Red Man is one of the best MC's of all time but for different reasons. As, say Pac or Big.

Chuck D is one of the best MC's of all time but for different reasons as say Chino XL or Canibus

Rass Kass is one of the best MC's of all but for different reasons then say Busta Rhymes or Cee-Lo

And on and on.

But in my personal opinion and bringing this back to the OP. I believe Nas is the Illest he embodies the spirit and ability of every MC I have ever heard hands down from Spoonie G, to Chance the rapper. I believe this assessment is a fair one given the fact that Big and Pac were taken early. We have no idea what they would have become.

 

[Kwan Dai]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

My feelings exactly. Great lyrical ability is always impressive but if we're going by just pure lyrical gymnastics, then Lupe and Chino XL would be known as the greatest rappers of all time. Chino XL and Lupe can do lyrical back flips and somersaults over almost anyone.



Making great, versatile songs that speak to people and generations is more important to me, and that's why I'm taking 2pac over anyone.

@ the bolded. That's what Biggie was good at; lyrical gymnastics. His cadence and flow was the absolute best in his era. Nobody could rap like Biggie from 94-97. Listen to his flow on You Can't Stop the Reign, One More Chance (remix), Big Poppa, Ten Crack Commandments, I Got A Story To Tell.

 

[Screwtape]

what this boils down to is that pac fans are so fervent in their idolisation of the man that they will do anything to discredit the guy who was his 'closest rival'.... and its 20 year later. I realise this works both ways at times but these hardcore pac fans just seem to lose their mind completely. Apparently some well thought out posts in here constitute 'feelings.' Apparently the one time king of ny has easily 20 better rappers and maybe more than him. apparently biggie has never made a thoughtful song and is just throwing words together.

are some of you people trolling, or are these sort of asinine comments the level of your argument? actually thats mainly at @ThaNubianGod.

all this shit smacks of insecurity..and ive often wondered why that is the case with pac. Y, know i wasnt gonna post this next video, but ive seen the usual biggie was gay topics around here, usual stuff, its mainly just jokes. But seeing as that is the case.....but can you explain the actions of the man in this video to me, because i swear this kid is way beyond fruity...way way beyond. I only saw this video recently and considering this is the guy who was screaming thug life not long after, is this insecurity stemming from the fact that pac is potentially a total fraud..and possibly even gay?


as for the actual discussion relating to what makes someone lyrical, it will obviously go on for ever but even so i always enjoy reading peoples opinions. Couple of things i possibly agree with...pacs music and just the general aura and attitude he carried may be more timeless than bigs....potentially. What i mean by this is that in say a 100 years time or whatever pac may still be a huge worldwide cultural icon wheras BIG with his shorter run and lack of albums is less so, ands so potentially less listened to.

in saying that, pac put out a lot of music and a some of it was limited..the whole hennesy enemies shit was a crutch, and some of his music was terrible. a level of terrible biggie never approached.

you also dont have to be in your face with socio political themes for your music to considered a unique parameter of social commentary. Someone like big may have been portraying the Frank White character but theres subtleties to this shit. was the reason he was depicting a lavish lifestyle etc simply because it was tailoring to the whole hip hop ethic of machismo or whatever, or that he wanted to depict the level he believed he could reach through his art..or was it influenced by not only the drugs, crack and poverty he saw not around him but throughout the world...there was a global recession in the 80s for example. Just one example and something im not even saying im right about, but theres obviously levels here.

anyway. tl:dr, big was a great artist, pac made a video where he acted like a faggot, and where tf has nas gone in this conversation lol

 

[kingblaze84]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

My feelings exactly. Great lyrical ability is always impressive but if we're going by just pure lyrical gymnastics, then Lupe and Chino XL would be known as the greatest rappers of all time. Chino XL and Lupe can do lyrical back flips and somersaults over almost anyone.



Making great, versatile songs that speak to people and generations is more important to me, and that's why I'm taking 2pac over anyone.

@ the bolded. That's what Biggie was good at; lyrical gymnastics. His cadence and flow was the absolute best in his era. Nobody could rap like Biggie from 94-97. Listen to his flow on You Can't Stop the Reign, One More Chance (remix), Big Poppa, Ten Crack Commandments, I Got A Story To Tell.

 

[Kwan Dai]

what this boils down to is that pac fans are so fervent in their idolisation of the man that they will do anything to discredit the guy who was his 'closest rival'.... and its 20 year later. I realise this works both ways at times but these hardcore pac fans just seem to lose their mind completely. Apparently some well thought out posts in here constitute 'feelings.' Apparently the one time king of ny has easily 20 better rappers and maybe more than him. apparently biggie has never made a thoughtful song and is just throwing words together.

are some of you people trolling, or are these sort of asinine comments the level of your argument? actually thats mainly at @ThaNubianGod.

all this shit smacks of insecurity..and ive often wondered why that is the case with pac. Y, know i wasnt gonna post this next video, but ive seen the usual biggie was gay topics around here, usual stuff, its mainly just jokes. But seeing as that is the case.....but can you explain the actions of the man in this video to me, because i swear this kid is way beyond fruity...way way beyond. I only saw this video recently and considering this is the guy who was screaming thug life not long after, is this insecurity stemming from the fact that pac is potentially a total fraud..and possibly even gay?


as for the actual discussion relating to what makes someone lyrical, it will obviously go on for ever but even so i always enjoy reading peoples opinions. Couple of things i possibly agree with...pacs music and just the general aura and attitude he carried may be more timeless than bigs....potentially. What i mean by this is that in say a 100 years time or whatever pac may still be a huge worldwide cultural icon wheras BIG with his shorter run and lack of albums is less so, ands so potentially less listened to.

in saying that, pac put out a lot of music and a some of it was limited..the whole hennesy enemies shit was a crutch, and some of his music was terrible. a level of terrible biggie never approached.

you also dont have to be in your face with socio political themes for your music to considered a unique parameter of social commentary. Someone like big may have been portraying the Frank White character but theres subtleties to this shit. was the reason he was depicting a lavish lifestyle etc simply because it was tailoring to the whole hip hop ethic of machismo or whatever, or that he wanted to depict the level he believed he could reach through his art..or was it influenced by not only the drugs, crack and poverty he saw not around him but throughout the world...there was a global recession in the 80s for example. Just one example and something im not even saying im right about, but theres obviously levels here.

anyway. tl:dr, big was a great artist, pac made a video where he acted like a faggot, and where tf has nas gone in this conversation lol

I am not a Pac fan but you don't have attempt to discredit his person. I mean if, you are going to, at least be fair and mention big's catholic school working class upbringing. That ten turned into a poverty stricken crack dealer just trying to provide for his daughter.

 

[kingblaze84]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

My feelings exactly. Great lyrical ability is always impressive but if we're going by just pure lyrical gymnastics, then Lupe and Chino XL would be known as the greatest rappers of all time. Chino XL and Lupe can do lyrical back flips and somersaults over almost anyone.

Making great, versatile songs that speak to people and generations is more important to me, and that's why I'm taking 2pac over anyone.

I'm not sure who said, that being a lyricists is the end all be all. Or is the defining factor for what ultimately makes a great MC. I think there many things that make a great MC.

Red Man is one of the best MC's of all time but for different reasons. As, say Pac or Big.

Chuck D is one of the best MC's of all time but for different reasons as say Chino XL or Canibus

Rass Kass is one of the best MC's of all but for different reasons then say Busta Rhymes or Cee-Lo

And on and on.

But in my personal opinion and bringing this back to the OP. I believe Nas is the Illest he embodies the spirit and ability of every MC I have ever heard hands down from Spoonie G, to Chance the rapper. I believe this assessment is a fair one given the fact that Big and Pac were taken early. We have no idea what they would have become.

Fair enough, Nas has a stronger case for being a better rapper since he's also deep and versatile in subject matter, although many think Biggie had more potential but like you said, he was taken early. I fully agree being a master lyricist is good but it's not the end all and be all of being a great rapper. It's just one part of the characteristics of being a good or great rapper.

There are other characteristics, like charisma, flow, message, and probably some others I'm missing right now.

 

[Screwtape]

what this boils down to is that pac fans are so fervent in their idolisation of the man that they will do anything to discredit the guy who was his 'closest rival'.... and its 20 year later. I realise this works both ways at times but these hardcore pac fans just seem to lose their mind completely. Apparently some well thought out posts in here constitute 'feelings.' Apparently the one time king of ny has easily 20 better rappers and maybe more than him. apparently biggie has never made a thoughtful song and is just throwing words together.

are some of you people trolling, or are these sort of asinine comments the level of your argument? actually thats mainly at @ThaNubianGod.

all this shit smacks of insecurity..and ive often wondered why that is the case with pac. Y, know i wasnt gonna post this next video, but ive seen the usual biggie was gay topics around here, usual stuff, its mainly just jokes. But seeing as that is the case.....but can you explain the actions of the man in this video to me, because i swear this kid is way beyond fruity...way way beyond. I only saw this video recently and considering this is the guy who was screaming thug life not long after, is this insecurity stemming from the fact that pac is potentially a total fraud..and possibly even gay?


as for the actual discussion relating to what makes someone lyrical, it will obviously go on for ever but even so i always enjoy reading peoples opinions. Couple of things i possibly agree with...pacs music and just the general aura and attitude he carried may be more timeless than bigs....potentially. What i mean by this is that in say a 100 years time or whatever pac may still be a huge worldwide cultural icon wheras BIG with his shorter run and lack of albums is less so, ands so potentially less listened to.

in saying that, pac put out a lot of music and a some of it was limited..the whole hennesy enemies shit was a crutch, and some of his music was terrible. a level of terrible biggie never approached.

you also dont have to be in your face with socio political themes for your music to considered a unique parameter of social commentary. Someone like big may have been portraying the Frank White character but theres subtleties to this shit. was the reason he was depicting a lavish lifestyle etc simply because it was tailoring to the whole hip hop ethic of machismo or whatever, or that he wanted to depict the level he believed he could reach through his art..or was it influenced by not only the drugs, crack and poverty he saw not around him but throughout the world...there was a global recession in the 80s for example. Just one example and something im not even saying im right about, but theres obviously levels here.

anyway. tl:dr, big was a great artist, pac made a video where he acted like a faggot, and where tf has nas gone in this conversation lol

I am not a Pac fan but you don't have attempt to discredit his person. I mean if, you are going to, at least be fair and mention big's catholic school working class upbringing. That ten turned into a poverty stricken crack dealer just trying to provide for his daughter.

Im not trying to discredit pac, i actually threw some great (if short) praise his way..in fact that once sentence potentially praises pac far more than i did big. If youre talking about the video, i post it because the actions of the guy are so contrasting to the 2pac i grew up listening to, wheras i always believed biggies upbringing was common knowledge.

theres rhyme and reason to everything i posted.

 

[Kwan Dai]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

My feelings exactly. Great lyrical ability is always impressive but if we're going by just pure lyrical gymnastics, then Lupe and Chino XL would be known as the greatest rappers of all time. Chino XL and Lupe can do lyrical back flips and somersaults over almost anyone.



Making great, versatile songs that speak to people and generations is more important to me, and that's why I'm taking 2pac over anyone.

@ the bolded. That's what Biggie was good at; lyrical gymnastics. His cadence and flow was the absolute best in his era. Nobody could rap like Biggie from 94-97. Listen to his flow on You Can't Stop the Reign, One More Chance (remix), Big Poppa, Ten Crack Commandments, I Got A Story To Tell.

 

[Kwan Dai]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

My feelings exactly. Great lyrical ability is always impressive but if we're going by just pure lyrical gymnastics, then Lupe and Chino XL would be known as the greatest rappers of all time. Chino XL and Lupe can do lyrical back flips and somersaults over almost anyone.

Making great, versatile songs that speak to people and generations is more important to me, and that's why I'm taking 2pac over anyone.

I'm not sure who said, that being a lyricists is the end all be all. Or is the defining factor for what ultimately makes a great MC. I think there many things that make a great MC.

Red Man is one of the best MC's of all time but for different reasons. As, say Pac or Big.

Chuck D is one of the best MC's of all time but for different reasons as say Chino XL or Canibus

Rass Kass is one of the best MC's of all but for different reasons then say Busta Rhymes or Cee-Lo

And on and on.

But in my personal opinion and bringing this back to the OP. I believe Nas is the Illest he embodies the spirit and ability of every MC I have ever heard hands down from Spoonie G, to Chance the rapper. I believe this assessment is a fair one given the fact that Big and Pac were taken early. We have no idea what they would have become.

Fair enough, Nas has a stronger case for being a better rapper since he's also deep and versatile in subject matter, although many think Biggie had more potential but like you said, he was taken early. I fully agree being a master lyricist is good but it's not the end all and be all of being a great rapper. It's just one part of the characteristics of being a good or great rapper.

There are other characteristics, like charisma, flow, message, and probably some others I'm missing right now.

Indeed. I think the art of MC'ing has been replaced by record sales, branding and swag. Which, doesn't leave much room for us to value each individual MC for their unique gifts.

 

[Kwan Dai]

what this boils down to is that pac fans are so fervent in their idolisation of the man that they will do anything to discredit the guy who was his 'closest rival'.... and its 20 year later. I realise this works both ways at times but these hardcore pac fans just seem to lose their mind completely. Apparently some well thought out posts in here constitute 'feelings.' Apparently the one time king of ny has easily 20 better rappers and maybe more than him. apparently biggie has never made a thoughtful song and is just throwing words together.

are some of you people trolling, or are these sort of asinine comments the level of your argument? actually thats mainly at @ThaNubianGod.

all this shit smacks of insecurity..and ive often wondered why that is the case with pac. Y, know i wasnt gonna post this next video, but ive seen the usual biggie was gay topics around here, usual stuff, its mainly just jokes. But seeing as that is the case.....but can you explain the actions of the man in this video to me, because i swear this kid is way beyond fruity...way way beyond. I only saw this video recently and considering this is the guy who was screaming thug life not long after, is this insecurity stemming from the fact that pac is potentially a total fraud..and possibly even gay?


as for the actual discussion relating to what makes someone lyrical, it will obviously go on for ever but even so i always enjoy reading peoples opinions. Couple of things i possibly agree with...pacs music and just the general aura and attitude he carried may be more timeless than bigs....potentially. What i mean by this is that in say a 100 years time or whatever pac may still be a huge worldwide cultural icon wheras BIG with his shorter run and lack of albums is less so, ands so potentially less listened to.

in saying that, pac put out a lot of music and a some of it was limited..the whole hennesy enemies shit was a crutch, and some of his music was terrible. a level of terrible biggie never approached.

you also dont have to be in your face with socio political themes for your music to considered a unique parameter of social commentary. Someone like big may have been portraying the Frank White character but theres subtleties to this shit. was the reason he was depicting a lavish lifestyle etc simply because it was tailoring to the whole hip hop ethic of machismo or whatever, or that he wanted to depict the level he believed he could reach through his art..or was it influenced by not only the drugs, crack and poverty he saw not around him but throughout the world...there was a global recession in the 80s for example. Just one example and something im not even saying im right about, but theres obviously levels here.

anyway. tl:dr, big was a great artist, pac made a video where he acted like a faggot, and where tf has nas gone in this conversation lol

I am not a Pac fan but you don't have attempt to discredit his person. I mean if, you are going to, at least be fair and mention big's catholic school working class upbringing. That ten turned into a poverty stricken crack dealer just trying to provide for his daughter.

Im not trying to discredit pac, i actually threw some great (if short) praise his way..in fact that once sentence potentially praises pac far more than i did big. If youre talking about the video, i post it because the actions of the guy are so contrasting to the 2pac i grew up listening to, wheras i always believed biggies upbringing was common knowledge.

theres rhyme and reason to everything i posted.

I am not going to draw this out any longer then it should be but no Biggies upbringing wasn't common knowledge nor could you find any trace of it in his music.

 

[Screwtape]

what this boils down to is that pac fans are so fervent in their idolisation of the man that they will do anything to discredit the guy who was his 'closest rival'.... and its 20 year later. I realise this works both ways at times but these hardcore pac fans just seem to lose their mind completely. Apparently some well thought out posts in here constitute 'feelings.' Apparently the one time king of ny has easily 20 better rappers and maybe more than him. apparently biggie has never made a thoughtful song and is just throwing words together.

are some of you people trolling, or are these sort of asinine comments the level of your argument? actually thats mainly at @ThaNubianGod.

all this shit smacks of insecurity..and ive often wondered why that is the case with pac. Y, know i wasnt gonna post this next video, but ive seen the usual biggie was gay topics around here, usual stuff, its mainly just jokes. But seeing as that is the case.....but can you explain the actions of the man in this video to me, because i swear this kid is way beyond fruity...way way beyond. I only saw this video recently and considering this is the guy who was screaming thug life not long after, is this insecurity stemming from the fact that pac is potentially a total fraud..and possibly even gay?


as for the actual discussion relating to what makes someone lyrical, it will obviously go on for ever but even so i always enjoy reading peoples opinions. Couple of things i possibly agree with...pacs music and just the general aura and attitude he carried may be more timeless than bigs....potentially. What i mean by this is that in say a 100 years time or whatever pac may still be a huge worldwide cultural icon wheras BIG with his shorter run and lack of albums is less so, ands so potentially less listened to.

in saying that, pac put out a lot of music and a some of it was limited..the whole hennesy enemies shit was a crutch, and some of his music was terrible. a level of terrible biggie never approached.

you also dont have to be in your face with socio political themes for your music to considered a unique parameter of social commentary. Someone like big may have been portraying the Frank White character but theres subtleties to this shit. was the reason he was depicting a lavish lifestyle etc simply because it was tailoring to the whole hip hop ethic of machismo or whatever, or that he wanted to depict the level he believed he could reach through his art..or was it influenced by not only the drugs, crack and poverty he saw not around him but throughout the world...there was a global recession in the 80s for example. Just one example and something im not even saying im right about, but theres obviously levels here.

anyway. tl:dr, big was a great artist, pac made a video where he acted like a faggot, and where tf has nas gone in this conversation lol

I am not a Pac fan but you don't have attempt to discredit his person. I mean if, you are going to, at least be fair and mention big's catholic school working class upbringing. That ten turned into a poverty stricken crack dealer just trying to provide for his daughter.

Im not trying to discredit pac, i actually threw some great (if short) praise his way..in fact that once sentence potentially praises pac far more than i did big. If youre talking about the video, i post it because the actions of the guy are so contrasting to the 2pac i grew up listening to, wheras i always believed biggies upbringing was common knowledge.

theres rhyme and reason to everything i posted.

I am not going to draw this out any longer then it should be but no Biggies upbringing wasn't common knowledge nor could you find any trace of it in his music.

actually, my bad..when i say was 'always' was common knowledge, it probably wasnt at the time but seemed to come to light soon after. Wheras ive never seen that side of pac and its so contrastingly different.

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

years ago I had this thug angel dvd where the whole interview was on. What I got out of it at the time was that it pac merely at the age of 17 was bringing up good points and speaking on real issues like police brutality and homeless people in this country. it wasnt until I got on the internet that some people sadly only got out of it was that he might have been....gay smh fucked up.

 

[T. Sanford]

They are better lyricists but they are not a better artist than Pac

Being a great artist>>>being a great lyricist

Yall stay using this artist shit as a crutch and yall can never explain what makes that rapper the better artist.

Wanna know something that's crazy? I remember it was a thread about Scarface & I said that Face was a lyricist. & people was trying to discredit him because he is not Pun, Canibus, Pharaoh Monch etc. So with the IC Reason logic, artists like Pac & Face wouldn't be coined as lyricists (even tho they are)