Big game hunter crushed to death by falling elephant that was fatally shot...pffff, hahahaha

[Plutarch]

R.I.P., but all's fair when it comes to nature.

Just curious, for those against hunting for sport, how do you feel about fishing or hunting for sport if the hunted animals are, say, rats or overpopulated coyotes encroaching on "human territory"?

You're hunting for fun if something is "encroaching on human territory"

Yeah, that's what I meant. That's what I said. I equate hunting for sport with hunting for fun. But I guess it makes no difference to you if that hunted animal is overpopulated and/or potentially harmful to humans or crops? If so, fair enough.

But what about hunting rats or fishing?

 

[Plutarch]

So many feeling caught in this thread. Two things that I find very curious about this thread.

1) The same muthafuckas that have a problem with hunting don't seem to have a problem with chicks who abort their children due chick's irresponsibility and lack of taking preventative measures in becoming pregnant.

2) The men who condemn hunting are hella emasculated and simply lack the fuckin' balls to go out in an animal's element to track and kill it. Let alone having the stomach to field dress the meat for later consumption.

I partly agree, but I believe that a lot of them are making the distinction between hunting for fun/sport (especially when the animals are intentionally put in a disadvantageous position) and hunting for food/survival.

I personally don't care too much either way. Outside of personal attachment to animals and seeing animals as innocent, I still don't quite understand the outpouring of "love" that Westerners (especially whites [see backlash against Vick]) have for animals.

Like, animal rights seem silly to me. I like animals a lot, but I don't love animals. I have mixed feelings about hunting, but I don't see it as evil. Hell, sometimes, it's necessary.

 

[MasterJayN100]

White people need to stop fucking with Nature.That's why so many of yall dumb asses end up Killed

 

[Recaptimus_Prime360]

R.I.P. to the Elephant

#ElephantLivesMatter

#DontMuckWitMotherNature

#GoodFoYoAzzz

 

[Will Munny]

R.I.P., but all's fair when it comes to nature.

Just curious, for those against hunting for sport, how do you feel about fishing or hunting for sport if the hunted animals are, say, rats or overpopulated coyotes encroaching on "human territory"?

Coyotes already live everywhere human live, literally. The threat is way overblown. Only 2.6 per 10,000 head of cattle are killed by coyotes.

If hunting disappeared, wildlife would be in much sorrier state. For as much as hunters take shit, the only people who actually put MONEY towards maintaining Wildlife are the people who kill.

Live by the sword, die the sword tho. I draw my own arbitrary ethical boundary just before elephants. I couldn't hunt one.

 

[dwade206]

And justice for all.

Good

Good! I hope it's on video.

 

[Inglewood_B]

So many feeling caught in this thread. Two things that I find very curious about this thread.

1) The same muthafuckas that have a problem with hunting don't seem to have a problem with chicks who abort their children due chick's irresponsibility and lack of taking preventative measures in becoming pregnant.

2) The men who condemn hunting are hella emasculated and simply lack the fuckin' balls to go out in an animal's element to track and kill it. Let alone having the stomach to field dress the meat for later consumption.

You'd have a good point if these "hunters" were actually in these animals' element and not shooting them from 40-50 yards away. If you really were a hunter with "balls" you'd be up close and personal killing these animals with your claws and teeth. Not hiding in the bushes or up in a tree like a pussy with a high powered rifle.

I got a ton more respect for biologists/zoologist and people like Steve Irwin (RIP) who weren't trying to kill the animals and still get as close as they do

 

[Plutarch]

If you really were a hunter with "balls" you'd be up close and personal killing these animals with your claws and teeth.

 

[Will Munny]

So many feeling caught in this thread. Two things that I find very curious about this thread.

1) The same muthafuckas that have a problem with hunting don't seem to have a problem with chicks who abort their children due chick's irresponsibility and lack of taking preventative measures in becoming pregnant.

2) The men who condemn hunting are hella emasculated and simply lack the fuckin' balls to go out in an animal's element to track and kill it. Let alone having the stomach to field dress the meat for later consumption.

You'd have a good point if these "hunters" were actually in these animals' element and not shooting them from 40-50 yards away. If you really were a hunter with "balls" you'd be up close and personal killing these animals with your claws and teeth. Not hiding in the bushes or up in a tree like a pussy with a high powered rifle.

I got a ton more respect for biologists/zoologist and people like Steve Irwin (RIP) who weren't trying to kill the animals and still get as close as they do

People haven't been using their bare hands to kill animals since basically the bows n shit were invented in africa some 64k years ago. Atlatls might have even been invented before that. Human were never evolved to kill things with "claws n teeth", our weapons have always been our tool building skills.

Even before bows were invented humans were scavenging off the kills of other predators or chasing them off their kills. We know this because we've found cut marks on top claw marks on bones n shit.

we never go backward with technology, since the first human split the first rock to make a blade, we've only gotten more and more attached to our tools. Kind of insane if u think about it.

 

[Inglewood_B]

So many feeling caught in this thread. Two things that I find very curious about this thread.

1) The same muthafuckas that have a problem with hunting don't seem to have a problem with chicks who abort their children due chick's irresponsibility and lack of taking preventative measures in becoming pregnant.

2) The men who condemn hunting are hella emasculated and simply lack the fuckin' balls to go out in an animal's element to track and kill it. Let alone having the stomach to field dress the meat for later consumption.

You'd have a good point if these "hunters" were actually in these animals' element and not shooting them from 40-50 yards away. If you really were a hunter with "balls" you'd be up close and personal killing these animals with your claws and teeth. Not hiding in the bushes or up in a tree like a pussy with a high powered rifle.

I got a ton more respect for biologists/zoologist and people like Steve Irwin (RIP) who weren't trying to kill the animals and still get as close as they do

People haven't been using their bare hands to kill animals since basically the bows n shit were invented in africa some 64k years ago. Atlatls might have even been invented before that. Human were never evolved to kill things with "claws n teeth", our weapons have always been our tool building skills.

Even before bows were invented humans were scavenging off the kills of other predators or chasing them off their kills. We know this because we've found cut marks on top claw marks on bones n shit.

we never go backward with technology, since the first human split the first rock to make a blade, we've only gotten more and more attached to our tools. Kind of insane if u think about it.

Exactly my point... that's why I object to hunting, the way we do now, as some shining example of masculinity or toughness.

 

[Will Munny]

But humans never at any point in history went around killing things with out bare hands.

The oldest form of hunting was the persistence hunt, and even then the animal is killed with a spear.

 

[Like Water]

R.I.P., but all's fair when it comes to nature.

Just curious, for those against hunting for sport, how do you feel about fishing or hunting for sport if the hunted animals are, say, rats or overpopulated coyotes encroaching on "human territory"?

You're hunting for fun if something is "encroaching on human territory"

Yeah, that's what I meant. That's what I said. I equate hunting for sport with hunting for fun. But I guess it makes no difference to you if that hunted animal is overpopulated and/or potentially harmful to humans or crops? If so, fair enough.

But what about hunting rats or fishing?

You know damn well what everyone means in here. Smh. Fishing and hunting rats is not the same as hunting elephants, lions, leopards and various other protected species with high powered rifles at a safe distance just to feel like you're a tough guy.

It's a stupid comparison and you should be able to reach a sensible solution with a modicum of common sense.

So many feeling caught in this thread. Two things that I find very curious about this thread.

1) The same muthafuckas that have a problem with hunting don't seem to have a problem with chicks who abort their children due chick's irresponsibility and lack of taking preventative measures in becoming pregnant.

2) The men who condemn hunting are hella emasculated and simply lack the fuckin' balls to go out in an animal's element to track and kill it. Let alone having the stomach to field dress the meat for later consumption.

And shut your old ass up. Go velcro some sneakers, nigga.

 

[Plutarch]

You know damn well what everyone means in here. Smh.

??? Yes? Have I said otherwise? I'm not even sure what you're referring to.

Fishing and hunting rats is not the same as hunting elephants, lions, leopards and various other protected species with high powered rifles at a safe distance just to feel like you're a tough guy.

1. I never said that they were the same. They're obviously not.

2. I think that some of those species are protected, and some are not, so I think you risk conflating issues.

3. It's very possible that "feeling like a tough guy" had nothing to do with the respective hunter (and hunters in general). It seems like you're projecting, because of emotions.

4. It's very possible that the respective hunter (and hunters in general) was not at a safe distance. You know, an elephant charged him and the others. Once again, seems like your emotions are skewing your sense of analysis.

5. High-powered rifles are necessary to not only kill animals but to kill them in a way that makes their pain as brief as possible and keeps hunters safe. You act as if hunting is an easy breeze. It doesn't seem like you've hunted before, hence your apparent ignorance, again, out of emotion.

It's a stupid comparison and you should be able to reach a sensible solution with a modicum of common sense.

I disagree. As stated before, it's not a comparison based on equivalence. It's simply a comparison based on difference and motivated by simple curiosity. It's not necessarily a rhetorical comparison but merely a heuristic one. You turned a simple question into something else entirely and didn't even answer it. Why so emotional?

 

[LordZuko]

R.I.P., but all's fair when it comes to nature.

Just curious, for those against hunting for sport, how do you feel about fishing or hunting for sport if the hunted animals are, say, rats or overpopulated coyotes encroaching on "human territory"?

Coyotes already live everywhere human live, literally. The threat is way overblown. Only 2.6 per 10,000 head of cattle are killed by coyotes.

If hunting disappeared, wildlife would be in much sorrier state. For as much as hunters take shit, the only people who actually put MONEY towards maintaining Wildlife are the people who kill.

Live by the sword, die the sword tho. I draw my own arbitrary ethical boundary just before elephants. I couldn't hunt one.

I just gotta know what was nature doing before all this human intervention?

Seemed like it was doing fine.

 

[Will Munny]

Yeah nature was doing fine until we fucked the planet.

 

[Like Water]

You know damn well what everyone means in here. Smh.

??? Yes? Have I said otherwise? I'm not even sure what you're referring to.

Fishing and hunting rats is not the same as hunting elephants, lions, leopards and various other protected species with high powered rifles at a safe distance just to feel like you're a tough guy.

1. I never said that they were the same. They're obviously not.

2. I think that some of those species are protected, and some are not, so I think you risk conflating issues.

3. It's very possible that "feeling like a tough guy" had nothing to do with the respective hunter (and hunters in general). It seems like you're projecting, because of emotions.

4. It's very possible that the respective hunter (and hunters in general) was not at a safe distance. You know, an elephant charged him and the others. Once again, seems like your emotions are skewing your sense of analysis.

5. High-powered rifles are necessary to not only kill animals but to kill them in a way that makes their pain as brief as possible and keeps hunters safe. You act as if hunting is an easy breeze. It doesn't seem like you've hunted before, hence your apparent ignorance, again, out of emotion.

It's a stupid comparison and you should be able to reach a sensible solution with a modicum of common sense.

I disagree. As stated before, it's not a comparison based on equivalence. It's simply a comparison based on difference and motivated by simple curiosity. It's not necessarily a rhetorical comparison but merely a heuristic one. You turned a simple question into something else entirely and didn't even answer it. Why so emotional?

You like to delve in semantics quite a bit, don't you? Elephants, for example, are a protected species, are they not? The fact that 1 or 2 others that I previously listed may not be is, wait for it, semantics. The overall theme is that certain animals should not be hunted purely "for sport". The distance thing didn't necessarily apply in this scenario either and was more an overarching take on the questionable methods of recreational hunting.

You also posed the question whether or not people that had a problem with hunting big game would have a problem with fishing and hunting rats (again, stupid fucking comparison) knowing no one would give a fuck because, why would we? Rats are pests and fish are fish. A fish is not equivalent to an elephant in anyone's mind. Plus they've been consumed for sustenance since the beginning of time. I swear if you say something stupid about hunting wooly mammoths for food during the Ice Age to try to discredit that last statement, I'll jump through the screen. You know wtf I mean.

You like to talk just cuz. That much is apparent. There was no emotion involved in either of my responses either. All the GOATS in the world from our resident white boy hunter won't change the fact that I thought your question was dumb as fuck. That's just what it is.

And no one said anything about hunting being a breeze, dumb ass. It's about the morality of hunting certain species simply for trophies. My God. You pick at everything if it's not spelled out for you. You suck at context.

 

[Inglewood_B]

But humans never at any point in history went around killing things with out bare hands.

The oldest form of hunting was the persistence hunt, and even then the animal is killed with a spear.

You saying the same thing I already said but using it to argue a point I'm not in contention with.

Ya man said people who are against hunting are emasculated. I'm saying there is nothing "manly" about the way sport hunters hunt. If I gave a 10 year old some firearm/marksman training and the resources/transportation/money required to get to Africa and shoot at elephants fucking unaware of their presence, that kid would kill one too. There's nothing inherently tough about that at all.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Animals done with the human bullshit this week...

Silly Asian people. Bad parenting is a muthafucka. Now some black parents wouldn't even begin to let their kid sit there. Again, nature and wildlife must be respected at all times.

You'd have a good point if these "hunters" were actually in these animals' element and not shooting them from 40-50 yards away. If you really were a hunter with "balls" you'd be up close and personal killing these animals with your claws and teeth. Not hiding in the bushes or up in a tree like a pussy with a high powered rifle.

You're a stupid muthafucka and let dear ole Rex explain why. What if the animal gets mortally wounded, but doesn't die right away, but is instead left to die a lingering painful death lasting for hours until he bleeds out. Shooting an animal for 40 - 50 years away is the safest and more humane way to hunt. It ensures the safety of the hunter and doesn't put the animal through needless pain and suffering. As I said before a wounded animal is at his most dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEIGqD80N6U

Lion Attacks Safari Hunter

But hunting is some bitch made shit. Okay muthafucka.

And shut your old ass up. Go velcro some sneakers, nigga.

You just proved my point peg boy.

 

[Like Water]

Animals done with the human bullshit this week...

Silly peo

Animals done with the human bullshit this week...

Bad parenting is a muthafucka. Now some black parents wouldn't even begin to let their kid sit there. Again, nature and wildlife must be respected at all times.

You'd have a good point if these "hunters" were actually in these animals' element and not shooting them from 40-50 yards away. If you really were a hunter with "balls" you'd be up close and personal killing these animals with your claws and teeth. Not hiding in the bushes or up in a tree like a pussy with a high powered rifle.

You're a stupid muthafucka and let dear ole Rex explain why. What if the animal gets mortally wounded, but doesn't die right away, but is instead left to die a lingering painful death lasting for hours until he bleeds out. Shooting an animal for 40 - 50 years away is the safest and more humane way to hunt. It ensures the safety of the hunter and doesn't put the animal through needless pain and suffering. As I said before a wounded animal is at his most dangerous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEIGqD80N6U

Lion Attacks Safari Hunter

But hunting is some bitch made shit. Okay muthafucka.

And shut your old ass up. Go velcro some sneakers, nigga.

You just proved my point peg boy.

Stfu, ho ass nigga.

Hunting big game for food/survival = survival. ie. Native Americans and native African tribes.

Hunting big game for sport = gay. ie. white people

 

[Plutarch]

You like to delve in semantics quite a bit, don't you?

No? I don't see it as semantics. Just "thorough" analysis. The goal is clarification.

Elephants, for example, are a protected species, are they not?

I'm not sure. There are different kinds of elephants, obviously, so I wonder about that.

The fact that 1 or 2 others that I previously listed may not be is, wait for it, semantics.

I disagree. Man, was my point not simple and obvious? I thought you made an inaccurate generalization to prove a point, so I just pointed that out. No biggie.

The overall theme is that certain animals should not be hunted purely "for sport".

Yes...is that not obvious?

The distance thing didn't necessarily apply in this scenario either and was more an overarching take on the questionable methods of recreational hunting.

Yes, it seems that had little-to-nothing to do with my initial question, but I did point out that I thought that your "overarching" generalization was, again, inaccurate and potentially ignorant.

You also posed the question whether or not people that had a problem with hunting big game would have a problem with fishing and hunting rats (again, stupid fucking comparison)

I still think you either don't or refuse to understand the point of my question, but meh.

knowing no one would give a fuck because, why would we?

No. I don't know. Even after my explanation(s), you still seem to think my question was rhetorical. It was not. It was merely heuristic. I'm simply curious to hear other opinions. It's that simple, man. Also, I don't think you speak for everyone else.

Rats are pests and fish are fish. A fish is not equivalent to an elephant in anyone's mind. Plus they've been consumed for sustenance since the beginning of time.

Thank you! You finally answered my question. Had to pull some teeth and weather some sassiness, but I appreciate it.

I swear if you say something stupid about hunting wooly mammoths for food during the Ice Age to try to discredit that last statement, I'll jump through the screen. You know wtf I mean.

Haha. No, I'm good. You do a lot of assuming though.

You like to talk just cuz. That much is apparent.

No, I like to talk in order to be thorough and clear. I want to understand other people, and I want them to understand me. Of course, this always doesn't work out, as our conversation has proven.

There was no emotion involved in either of my responses either.

If you say so. I just suspected it and kind of still do, to be honest.

All the GOATS in the world from our resident white boy hunter won't change the fact that I thought your question was dumb as fuck. That's just what it is.

Fair enough, but like I said, I think you made wrong assumptions about my question.

And no one said anything about hunting being a breeze, dumb ass.

That was obviously hyperbole, but your comment about hunting from a "safe distance" sounded a bit inaccurate, especially concerning the thread topic.

It's about the morality of hunting certain species simply for trophies.

Very obvious, but I wasn't talking about that. Once again, I think your misassumption has landed you in left field.

My God. You pick at everything if it's not spelled out for you. You suck at context.

How ironic. I think you suck at context. You assume too much and then run off with your misassumptions.