Between a 1 and a 10, how big a disappointment is Obama to you?

[shootemwon]

" Some private companies may have profited from the War before we were involved, but the serious turnaround for the whole country's economic situation occurred from our own government getting involved in the war. "
look at American GDP from 1938 and on

knew you wouldn't answer a thing and would call name(s), no feelings for the obvious. Why beat a dead horse talking to a moron? I agree to disagree
Whatever mane

In other words, you know I'm right. You hoped no one would call you on being completely full of shit. Someone did, and now you don't want to play anymore.

 

[86 jordan]

In other words, you know I'm right. You hoped no one would call you on being completely full of shit. Someone did, and now you don't want to play anymore.

un ha shootemWON, tonight eat a happy meal your a winner on a internet forum your right... whatever mane

 

[shootemwon]

un ha shootemWON, tonight eat a happy meal your a winner on a internet forum your right... whatever mane

No need to catch feelings, it's just a debate.

 

[tdoto88]

I took economics in HS, college, read books, and know government especially big government produces NOTHING. What good, product, or service does government produce? Government gets money by taxing persons and business because government isn't business. I'm no Republican or Liberal, I'm an independent who likes various views of both parties that have failed us over the years. You also say Obama needs to lie to get votes because were stupid, is some Eliteish Bull Shit. Also on the Great Depression, what got us out was World War II and the start of the military industrial complex. Read a history book my liberal friend.

Also how do you assume I'm saying doing nothing is the solution. My solution would be similar to Ron Paul's solutions. Audit and then abolish the Federal reserve, get rid of sucker trade deals like, NAFTA, CAFTA, and regain the American industrial base. Limit trade abroad and outsourcing. Multi-national corporations need to loose their tax benefits. We need to get out of 2 wars that we can't afford is the start for the solution. How can you get out of a recession by not producing? Its like if I was in debt and I get more loans instead of a job. How long would that work out?

On Obama you have your right to think he's brilliant, however you would be in the minority today. Have you looked at his poll numbers lately? Good luck getting your brilliant guy re-elected, good luck on the economy, transparent government, 2 wars, ect, I wanted him to succeed but he's just the latest failure who happens to be black, like me. I don't see any progress it's just Democrats and Republicans are like Crips and Bloods or any organization and only see the organization in a positive light, they hold the organization above all else, and don't care if leadership of the organization has failed. They go on into denial as long as they think the organization is winning, and in turn they think their winners.

I didn't like W and I don't like Obama, neither do the polls, that's reality today. I wish you were right and the Republicans were all evil and were holding us back, just like vice versa is what the Republicans believe, It's not that simple and playing the red pill vs the blue pill games don't work, both parties are paid for including the so called brilliant Obama and they both political parties have failed the country.

you seem like you know thing on economics (which is hard to find anywhere)... Ive always wanted to ask though if we were to abolish the Federal Reserve, whose hands would you trust the duties of controlling interest rates, the money supply & inflation to??

but homie you responded to was right..Keynes said in times of a recession the government is to step in.. & if im not mistaken Adam Smith was for government (as long as they stayed out of "perfectly working markets")

 

[tdoto88]

And as for this post, if Obama is so brilliant and does the right thing, why didn't he take his 70+ approval rating in January 2009 and fight Congress to pass a REAL stimulus bill, which would have been at least twice as large as the one we got? Why is Obama supporting a discretionary spending freeze in the middle of a recession? I'm sure he knows what the right thing to do is, but he's more interested in salvaging his approval rating than actually doing it.

what he is freezing is everything other than unemployment, medicare benefits, medicaid, & $$ for the war i believe

 

[shootemwon]

you seem like you know thing on economics (which is hard to find anywhere)... Ive always wanted to ask though if we were to abolish the Federal Reserve, whose hands would you trust the duties of controlling interest rates, the money supply & inflation to??

but homie you responded to was right..Keynes said in times of a recession the government is to step in.. & if im not mistaken Adam Smith was for government (as long as they stayed out of "perfectly working markets")

I think you just illustrated that you know a thing or two more than he does.

what he is freezing is everything other than unemployment, medicare benefits, medicaid, & $$ for the war i believe

Well, probably not in reality, but let's say you're right. So there we have a president more concerned with a campaign slogan than getting the economy back on track. Obama leaves much to be desired.

 

[tdoto88]

Well, probably not in reality, but let's say you're right. So there we have a president more concerned with a campaign slogan than getting the economy back on track. Obama leaves much to be desired.

hmmm I wouldnt say that completely... He is taking some measures to get the economy up & running (right now its like a baby learning to walk for the 1st time), but the deficit hawks in Senate are stopping him from passing another stimulus (i wanna know where the fuck were they from 00-08 but that is another debate within itself) & with the "NO" party blocking him at every turn it'll be harder for him to press on.... he needs to go Dubya & friends with it and say "get down or lay down" (that is the only thin I respect from Dubya)

But on another note its refreshing to find a few ppl who actually KNOW economics & not reiterate what they hear on MSNBC or FOX or CNN

 

[shootemwon]

hmmm I wouldnt say that completely... He is taking some measures to get the economy up & running (right now its like a baby learning to walk for the 1st time), but the deficit hawks in Senate are stopping him from passing another stimulus (i wanna know where the fuck were they from 00-08 but that is another debate within itself) & with the "NO" party blocking him at every turn it'll be harder for him to press on.... he needs to go Dubya & friends with it and say "get down or lay down" (that is the only thin I respect from Dubya)

But on another note its refreshing to find a few ppl who actually KNOW economics & not reiterate what they hear on MSNBC or FOX or CNN

He had the public on his side big time when he first took office. Did he use that to get a REAL stimulus of 2-3 trillion dollars through? No, he got an insufficient 800 billion through, full of pet projects that aren't real stimulus measures. Now it's "oh poor me, the Republicans are blocking everything". He intentionally didn't do what needed done when he had the chance and now he's proposing even worse policy (the spending freeze) yet I'm supposed to follow this narrative that places all the blame with the GOP? Don't get me wrong, I blame them, but he's not innocent in this at all.

 

[Soulljjah]

As long as you admit that Obama lies. lol. When Bush lied, people like you harped on it night and day, but its ok for Obama to lie because "he has to to the stupid Americans". You are pretty much just admitting that he lies to get votes. I always could tell he was dishonest. I dont think your facts are accurate though, because Obama was wrong. He said that the unemployment would get better in a certain amount of time, and it did not , it actually got worse in that amount of time. Therefore his method of fixing it did not work the way he planned and he was wrong as far as that. I dont believe multiplying the debt, and taking all the money from the people who can create jobs is going to help us much. And he was wrong to bail out the companies the way he did. That hurt everyone.

EVERYONE LIES to get votes. Everyone. It's politics. If you are just finding this out I'm sorry but this is how it's been for the longest time, if this is your only complaint then Obama might as well Jesus in your eyes. And yes, depending upon what it is you gotta lie about, it does fall back on us stupid Americans who don't see what's best for the economy and the country. Many of them are narrow-minded and don't look at the facts, so brilliant minded people like Obama & his expert economists gotta dumb themselves down just to appeal to the stupid Americans to get votes. He knows what he's doing. As far as using big government, spending a lot, he knows what he's doing & he has to pay off the debt later after the recession & come inflation, he is hoping to get a surplus, this is how you WORK on paying off the debt, you do NOT do it during recession but after for it is the smartest thing to do; to do otherwise would be suicide.

 

[tdoto88]

He had the public on his side big time when he first took office. Did he use that to get a REAL stimulus of 2-3 trillion dollars through? No, he got an insufficient 800 billion through, full of pet projects that aren't real stimulus measures. Now it's "oh poor me, the Republicans are blocking everything". He intentionally didn't do what needed done when he had the chance and now he's proposing even worse policy (the spending freeze) yet I'm supposed to follow this narrative that places all the blame with the GOP? Don't get me wrong, I blame them, but he's not innocent in this at all.

Oh nah Im not saying he's innocent by any means... the spending freeze took me by surprise too but he did that to appease the deficit hawks (which gets me heated bc he does to much to make everyone happy).. but most of the GOP & helping fix the problems or add solutions.. (I said most not all) just like some Democrats are being to pussy to do what is right

with the bold.. you are right too much nonsense was in the stimulus bill.. he put too much $$ towards investment spending for business which rely on consumers to buy shit.. and when nobody is buying shit (which happened from late 08- early 10) that $$ is basically an opportunity cost that could have went towards schools or hospitals.. I swear sometimes the people I talk to would make better economic advisers than the ones he has

 

[tdoto88]

EVERYONE LIES to get votes. Everyone. It's politics. If you are just finding this out I'm sorry but this is how it's been for the longest time, if this is your only complaint then Obama might as well Jesus in your eyes. And yes, depending upon what it is you gotta lie about, it does fall back on us stupid Americans who don't see what's best for the economy and the country. Many of them are narrow-minded and don't look at the facts, so brilliant minded people like Obama & his expert economists gotta dumb themselves down just to appeal to the stupid Americans to get votes. He knows what he's doing. As far as using big government, spending a lot, he knows what he's doing & he has to pay off the debt later after the recession & come inflation, he is hoping to get a surplus, this is how you WORK on paying off the debt, you do NOT do it during recession but after for it is the smartest thing to do; to do otherwise would be suicide.

to quickly interject inflation wont be a problem in the near future... deflation will be.. the inflation rate is barely 1% right now.....

 

[86 jordan]

you seem like you know thing on economics (which is hard to find anywhere)... Ive always wanted to ask though if we were to abolish the Federal Reserve, whose hands would you trust the duties of controlling interest rates, the money supply & inflation to??

but homie you responded to was right..Keynes said in times of a recession the government is to step in.. & if im not mistaken Adam Smith was for government (as long as they stayed out of "perfectly working markets")

whose hands would you trust the duties of controlling interest rates, the money supply & inflation to??

Very good question tdoto88, First we would need to back the currency with something holding value like gold or silver, precious metals ect. I'm not going to BS you and tell you I got this complicated matter all figured out. To audit and then after the audit results are in abolish the Fed is the start. If we did this I would expect discussion in the branches of government, to the people to come up with an alternative. A model like this would be a reserve currency system alternative.

People of Lakota Launch Private Bank for Only Silver and Gold Currencies

Hill City, Lakota - November 24, 2008 - In a stunning development, the Free & Independent People of Lakota announced today the introduction of the world's first non-reserve, non-fractional bank that accepts only silver and gold currencies for deposit.

"Today is a great day for us, a day that we begin to exercise our rights as a sovereign people with strength and pride," comments Canupa Gluha Mani, Tetuwan Council Judicial Member of the Cante Tenza "Strong Heart" Warrior Society. Mani's 2500 member warrior society has contracted to provide private security services for the Free Lakota Bank.

"We invite people of any creed, faith or heritage to unite in an effort to reclaim control of wealth. It is our hope that other tribal nations and American citizens recognize the importance of silver and gold as currency and decide to mirror our system of honest trade." Mani, also known as Duane Martin Sr, is a member of the delegation that declared Lakota independence on December 17th, 2007.

The launch of the Free Lakota Bank is also an incredible victory for StrikeForce Technologies, the access control experts providing depositor Out-of-Band Authentication. As the Free Lakota Bank does not require a name, photo identification or social security number to transact, StrikeForce's technology met the challenge of limiting fraud without requiring controversial biometric technology.

The People of Lakota invite depositors to establish accounts and invest in the Free Lakota Bank's General Investment Fund, the fund it uses to develop profitable free-market enterprise inside Lakota territory. Mani comments that the nation despises donations and charity, and instead insists instead on "earning our wealth by creating value for those that place their faith and trust in our system."

The Free Lakota Bank issues an American Open Currency Standard Approved currency, making it readily accepted for trade by over 10,000 merchants and businesses across the continent.

For more information, visit the Free Lakota Bank website at http://press.freelakotabank.com

Contact:
Canupa Gluha Mani
service (at) freelakotabank.com
P.O. Box 512
Hill City, LK 57745
888.784.9996

You can also do some reading to other Federal Reserve alternatives and reading here

http://www.mind-trek.com/reports/tl17a.htm

“but homie you responded to was right..Keynes said in times of a recession the government is to step in..”

I disagree with Keynes and the whole thought of spending your way out of debt. Government is how we got here, IE doing away with the Glass–Steagall Act is just one of many actions that got us here. So I don’t expect them to fix the problem they create while their greedy and incompetent. I don’t expect the government to do much right. Look at Katrina, 2 wars, now a oil spill ect, and tell me what government is good at doing. Also I will admit, I’m in the minority on this issue so in 2008 we have been doing it the governments way with bail outs and stimulus packages. However what happens when that money dries up? Well see, I WANT TO BE WRONG. Also is there a figure of government debt we will reach where GDP can’t pay it back because of too much debt?

 

[MacOne]

whose hands would you trust the duties of controlling interest rates, the money supply & inflation to??

Very good question tdoto88, First we would need to back the currency with something holding value like gold or silver, precious metals ect. I'm not going to BS you and tell you I got this complicated matter all figured out. To audit and then after the audit results are in abolish the Fed is the start. If we did this I would expect discussion in the branches of government, to the people to come up with an alternative. A model like this would be a reserve currency system alternative.

People of Lakota Launch Private Bank for Only Silver and Gold Currencies

Hill City, Lakota - November 24, 2008 - In a stunning development, the Free & Independent People of Lakota announced today the introduction of the world's first non-reserve, non-fractional bank that accepts only silver and gold currencies for deposit.

"Today is a great day for us, a day that we begin to exercise our rights as a sovereign people with strength and pride," comments Canupa Gluha Mani, Tetuwan Council Judicial Member of the Cante Tenza "Strong Heart" Warrior Society. Mani's 2500 member warrior society has contracted to provide private security services for the Free Lakota Bank.

"We invite people of any creed, faith or heritage to unite in an effort to reclaim control of wealth. It is our hope that other tribal nations and American citizens recognize the importance of silver and gold as currency and decide to mirror our system of honest trade." Mani, also known as Duane Martin Sr, is a member of the delegation that declared Lakota independence on December 17th, 2007.

The launch of the Free Lakota Bank is also an incredible victory for StrikeForce Technologies, the access control experts providing depositor Out-of-Band Authentication. As the Free Lakota Bank does not require a name, photo identification or social security number to transact, StrikeForce's technology met the challenge of limiting fraud without requiring controversial biometric technology.

The People of Lakota invite depositors to establish accounts and invest in the Free Lakota Bank's General Investment Fund, the fund it uses to develop profitable free-market enterprise inside Lakota territory. Mani comments that the nation despises donations and charity, and instead insists instead on "earning our wealth by creating value for those that place their faith and trust in our system."

The Free Lakota Bank issues an American Open Currency Standard Approved currency, making it readily accepted for trade by over 10,000 merchants and businesses across the continent.

For more information, visit the Free Lakota Bank website at http://press.freelakotabank.com

Contact:

Canupa Gluha Mani

service (at) freelakotabank.com

P.O. Box 512

Hill City, LK 57745

888.784.9996

You can also do some reading to other Federal Reserve alternatives and reading here

http://www.mind-trek.com/reports/tl17a.htm

“but homie you responded to was right..Keynes said in times of a recession the government is to step in..”

I disagree with Keynes and the whole thought of spending your way out of debt. Government is how we got here, IE doing away with the Glass–Steagall Act is just one of many actions that got us here. So I don’t expect them to fix the problem they create while their greedy and incompetent. I don’t expect the government to do much right. Look at Katrina, 2 wars, now a oil spill ect, and tell me what government is good at doing. Also I will admit, I’m in the minority on this issue so in 2008 we have been doing it the governments way with bail outs and stimulus packages. However what happens when that money dries up? Well see, I WANT TO BE WRONG. Also is there a figure of government debt we will reach where GDP can’t pay it back because of too much debt?

So you wanna abolish the Fed and then have a discussion about how to replace it? What are people going to use as money in the meantime

 

[86 jordan]

So you wanna abolish the Fed and then have a discussion about how to replace it? What are people going to use as money in the meantime

gold, silver, precious medals, barter ect

 

[shootemwon]

gold, silver, precious medals, barter ect

LMFAO *dies*

 

[sdrawkcabseh]

I give him a three. Everything he's done has appeased the feminists and the gays. Well, I guess that's what we get for voting in a Senator that only voted "present"......................................

 

[MacOne]

gold, silver, precious medals, barter ect

So you expect the government to commit to a metal standard? I thought you didnt trust them

This nigga expects us to barter?

 

[shootemwon]

So you expect the government to commit to a metal standard? I thought you didnt trust them

This nigga expects us to barter?

McDonalds introduces the sock menu. Get a McChicken for a pair of socks.

 

[86 jordan]

So you expect the government to commit to a metal standard? I thought you didnt trust them

This nigga expects us to barter?

I don't trust them so why would I take their paper they tell me is worth something? At least with gold or silver it has global value and has held it's value for more than 6,000 years, paper has low value.

 

[86 jordan]

McDonalds introduces the sock menu. Get a McChicken for a pair of socks.

McDonalds introduces the dollor menu. Get a McChicken for a piece of paper that the government says has value. that's what we do now and some of us like you love it and makes us all slaves so they can control everything