Better Overall Wrestler - Cham Edition: John Cena vs. Kane

[Peezy_Jenkins]

seriously tho, in ring wise is a wash in favor of john cena and i cant respect ur opinion if u think other wise based on what we seen this year alone.

i can understand the opinion of kane having a better character although i disagree(corporate kane, non dominant big man kane, emotional kane, lacefront kane)

yall seriously think kane a better talker too tho? with a talk box from a smoking commercial for the first few years of his career? Really?

word

that springboard stunner, firemans carry and lazy ass stf is a thing of beauty...

keep it real. you were more impressed with neville, owens, rollins etc. performances in those matches than anything cena did

both are good promos, although kane has less cringe worthy promos than cena

i can admit easily that those arent the best moves, the point is, they are much more entertaining (well not the stunner) than "big boot, side slam and uppercut" cena got 2-4 match of the year candidates this year, kane got none in his career, idk why u'd even waste time tryna make that argument. and yes kane has less pandering promos, thats it, it helps to have a period of time in your career when ur an actual monster and cant talk.

 

[BangEm_Bart]

Lmao

 

[Already Home_17]

seriously tho, in ring wise is a wash in favor of john cena and i cant respect ur opinion if u think other wise based on what we seen this year alone.

i can understand the opinion of kane having a better character although i disagree(corporate kane, non dominant big man kane, emotional kane, lacefront kane)

yall seriously think kane a better talker too tho? with a talk box from a smoking commercial for the first few years of his career? Really?

word

that springboard stunner, firemans carry and lazy ass stf is a thing of beauty...

keep it real. you were more impressed with neville, owens, rollins etc. performances in those matches than anything cena did

both are good promos, although kane has less cringe worthy promos than cena

i can admit easily that those arent the best moves, the point is, they are much more entertaining (well not the stunner) than "big boot, side slam and uppercut" cena got 2-4 match of the year candidates this year, kane got none in his career, idk why u'd even waste time tryna make that argument. and yes kane has less pandering promos, thats it, it helps to have a period of time in your career when ur an actual monster and cant talk.

uh....I wasn't

I said on the first page Kane has a lot of good matches, yet not 1 great match

can y'all read?

y'all cats be in the raw, ppv threads cringing at cena's every offensive move. don't come and here and try to big up his move set now

Kane's one arm chokeslams >>> cena's AA

Kane's uppercuts >>> cena punching air

btw Kane's been talking for 15 years. you're stuck on the 3 years he used a voice box. yet excusing 10 years of corny cena promos

you cats are hilarious

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

seriously tho, in ring wise is a wash in favor of john cena and i cant respect ur opinion if u think other wise based on what we seen this year alone.

i can understand the opinion of kane having a better character although i disagree(corporate kane, non dominant big man kane, emotional kane, lacefront kane)

yall seriously think kane a better talker too tho? with a talk box from a smoking commercial for the first few years of his career? Really?

word

that springboard stunner, firemans carry and lazy ass stf is a thing of beauty...

keep it real. you were more impressed with neville, owens, rollins etc. performances in those matches than anything cena did

both are good promos, although kane has less cringe worthy promos than cena

i can admit easily that those arent the best moves, the point is, they are much more entertaining (well not the stunner) than "big boot, side slam and uppercut" cena got 2-4 match of the year candidates this year, kane got none in his career, idk why u'd even waste time tryna make that argument. and yes kane has less pandering promos, thats it, it helps to have a period of time in your career when ur an actual monster and cant talk.

I said on the first page Kane has a lot of good matches, yet not 1 great match

so what is we talkin bout here bro? cena's a worse wrestler but with better matches? kane a better overall wrestler except for the actual wrestling part?

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

cena's promos can be corny as fuck im not excusing that, they also can be great as well, whats so great about kane's promos when he is actually talking? i dont remember shit lately but his role in the db vignettes (which was much easier to sit through than watching kane in their tag team). and of course cena's moves are blotchy and unpolished, but as trash(i wouldnt say trash but the usual suspects would) cena offense is, kane's is that much more worse/boring. but hey if he's entertained yall over these last 18 years soo much more than cena then so be it. at this point im convinced u niggas would seriously make a case for great khali or heidenrich over cena.

 

[RawAce]

Yes

During the time Heidenreich was in the WWE he was better than Cena IMO.

An OG Paul Heyman Guy

 

[RawAce]

Sylvester Terkay>>>>>>>>> Cena

 

[RawAce]

Elijah Burke >>>>>> Cena

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

Sylvester Terkay>>>>>>>>> Cena

Yes

During the time Heidenreich was in the WWE he was better than Cena IMO.

An OG Paul Heyman Guy

 

[Already Home_17]

seriously tho, in ring wise is a wash in favor of john cena and i cant respect ur opinion if u think other wise based on what we seen this year alone.

i can understand the opinion of kane having a better character although i disagree(corporate kane, non dominant big man kane, emotional kane, lacefront kane)

yall seriously think kane a better talker too tho? with a talk box from a smoking commercial for the first few years of his career? Really?

word

that springboard stunner, firemans carry and lazy ass stf is a thing of beauty...

keep it real. you were more impressed with neville, owens, rollins etc. performances in those matches than anything cena did

both are good promos, although kane has less cringe worthy promos than cena

i can admit easily that those arent the best moves, the point is, they are much more entertaining (well not the stunner) than "big boot, side slam and uppercut" cena got 2-4 match of the year candidates this year, kane got none in his career, idk why u'd even waste time tryna make that argument. and yes kane has less pandering promos, thats it, it helps to have a period of time in your career when ur an actual monster and cant talk.

I said on the first page Kane has a lot of good matches, yet not 1 great match

so what is we talkin bout here bro? cena's a worse wrestler but with better matches? kane a better overall wrestler except for the actual wrestling part?

***THESIS ALERT***

listen...cena has been the top guy for 10 years. main eventing for 10 years. in most cases he was not as talented as his opponent. but dude is a workhorse and he understands ring psychology. plus every match is a collaborative effort. you can't give one credit without the other. cena knows how to wrestle

however

cena's move set is not impressive. and you know this. but he's been on top for so long you conformed to his shitty style like

"yeah man, that STF has been looking better lately"

he wouldn't dare lock in the STF correctly until Seth Rollins broke his nose

he's tried to instill new moves into this arsenal but dude is so uncoordinated he ends up botching them

also, y'all have yet to factor in size. a match between rollins and cena will not be the same as a match between rollins and kane. he's a super heavyweight. Kane could never be involved in a Ring Raw of Honor spot fest. the type of match that has 15 near falls in 20 minutes. the type of match we've been conditioned to think is a wrestling classic

and that's the type of match we've seen cena perform in all year. and y'all eat it up (hell I did too), but can't name 1 spectacular thing cena did in his 4 match of the year candidates outside of FLAIR'S figure 4. it's Owens and Rollins who are stealing the show

on surface, cena is no better of a wrestler than Kane. I stand by that

but hey, if the 5 knuckle shuffle gets you hype...

and yeah I jacked your gif nigga lol

 

[BangEm_Bart]

Elijah Burke >>>>>> Cena

Bruh. The pope Deangelo Dinero was a TNA champ. He's nice and 50 notches better than Cena.

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

seriously tho, in ring wise is a wash in favor of john cena and i cant respect ur opinion if u think other wise based on what we seen this year alone.

i can understand the opinion of kane having a better character although i disagree(corporate kane, non dominant big man kane, emotional kane, lacefront kane)

yall seriously think kane a better talker too tho? with a talk box from a smoking commercial for the first few years of his career? Really?

word

that springboard stunner, firemans carry and lazy ass stf is a thing of beauty...

keep it real. you were more impressed with neville, owens, rollins etc. performances in those matches than anything cena did

both are good promos, although kane has less cringe worthy promos than cena

i can admit easily that those arent the best moves, the point is, they are much more entertaining (well not the stunner) than "big boot, side slam and uppercut" cena got 2-4 match of the year candidates this year, kane got none in his career, idk why u'd even waste time tryna make that argument. and yes kane has less pandering promos, thats it, it helps to have a period of time in your career when ur an actual monster and cant talk.

I said on the first page Kane has a lot of good matches, yet not 1 great match

so what is we talkin bout here bro? cena's a worse wrestler but with better matches? kane a better overall wrestler except for the actual wrestling part?

***THESIS ALERT***

listen...cena has been the top guy for 10 years. main eventing for 10 years. in most cases he was not as talented as his opponent. but dude is a workhorse and he understands ring psychology. plus every match is a collaborative effort. you can't give one credit without the other. cena knows how to wrestle

however

cena's move set is not impressive. and you know this. but he's been on top for so long you conformed to his shitty style like

"yeah man, that STF has been looking better lately"

he wouldn't dare lock in the STF correctly until Seth Rollins broke his nose

he's tried to instill new moves into this arsenal but dude is so uncoordinated he ends up botching them

also, y'all have yet to factor in size. a match between rollins and cena will not be the same as a match between rollins and kane. he's a super heavyweight. Kane could never be involved in a Ring Raw of Honor spot fest. the type of match that has 15 near falls in 20 minutes. the type of match we've been conditioned to think is a wrestling classic

and that's the type of match we've seen cena perform in all year. and y'all eat it up (hell I did too), but can't name 1 spectacular thing cena did in his 4 match of the year candidates outside of FLAIR'S figure 4. it's Owens and Rollins who are stealing the show

on surface, cena is no better of a wrestler than Kane. I stand by that

but hey, if the 5 knuckle shuffle gets you hype...

and yeah I jacked your gif nigga lol

ive said numerous times cena aint had the smoothest style, and i never gave a fuck about that stf or 5 knuckle shuffle or the firemans carry for that matter but i do give him credit for at least tryin to add something, im the same nigga in the ottb threads who cringes at the hurricanrana and dropkicks as well, and sure u can factor in size but that just helps the argument for a cat like taker not being overrated, who isnt nearly as durable as kane, if he can contribute in so called "roh spotfests" or any type of "wrestling classics" as well as cena, then why cant kane? oh i know, he's not as good. kane is no different from kevin nash in ring outside of a top rope flabby and sick clothesline. maybe taker is an anomaly, perhaps i cant name anything spectacular cena did, but it seems since yall can name kane doing that "spectacular" pyro thing when yall were kids, he's the pick, so be it lol. all i know is, as much as id smh & say "not this again" id much rather see over the last years cena vs: orton, batista, edge, sheamus, hbk than kane vs: anyone. i guess yall are also in favor of the upcoming kane vs seth matches? should be "entertaining"

 

[dalyricalbandit]

nigga Kane was outchea doing hurricanranas

 

[KillaCham]

Lmao

*Michael Cole voice* OOP! Didn't get all of it that time!

 

[BangEm_Bart]

Elijah Burke >>>>>> Cena

Bruh. The pope Deangelo Dinero was a TNA champ. He's nice and 50 notches better than Cena.

Lemme rephrase this.

He's better than 95% of the current WWE roster.

 

[jono]

Pope never won shit in TNA and he has dope charisma but his in ring been lacking

 

[BangEm_Bart]

Pope never won shit in TNA and he has dope charisma but his in ring been lacking

His move set was dope af and TNA saw that. He drew in huge crowd reactions.


Edit: My bad. He beat AJ Styles in a non title match but only won an OVW champion. Still was better than most the WWE roster in his prime.

 

[jono]

Nah hes trash. You reaching. Dude was always good at talking. I remember he had one of the worst TV matches of all time with CM Punk. How you better than 95% of the roster and you have shit matches with CM FUCKING PUNK? Stop dog.

 

[BangEm_Bart]

You have Cena as better than Kane so clearly I see poor judgement lol. It's cool *drops mic*

 

[RawAce]

Elijah Burke... Trash?

Wow,

Some people have extreme opinions.

I'd call mideon trash.

Bushwacker luke is trash

The pope aint nowhere near trash