Better Overall Wrestler - Cham Edition: John Cena vs. Kane

[Peezy_Jenkins]

easily kane, he's a workhorse, i mean look at all his great matches. he would have had a better match with the rock at mania and he woulda put ko over. plus, his hair grows back faster than cena could ever heal.

 

[BangEm_Bart]

Anyone is better than that boston fuck wigga.

 

[TheBoyRo]

Right now, I would probably take cena since he's been good in those US open challenges and Kane is older and slower, but overall wrestling career, Kane. When he was younger, one of the most agile big men WWE has ever had

 

[blu197]

Kane is better on the mic, better in the ring, better character, has believability, easily the better Athlete (espically when he was young and super jacked) he had a strong chance of going pro to the NFL if he didn't get injured in his college days, Kane doesn't botch hardly anything unlike Cena who botches everything down to throwing a simple punch....

 

[jono]

I'll be the asshole.

Cena's last 10 years he has gotten progressively better and right now he doing the best work of his career. Kane has been getting WORSE since 1998

Kane barely has good matches with great workers. Who remembers Kane's matches with Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho or Booker T? Nobody. People have been groaning at Kane for YEARS. Nobody wanted him in the main event in 2003 or 2004 alone today.

Kane even as a character has been dead since they did the love angle with Tori that was like 1999.

 

[silverfoxx]

John Cens maybe the GOAT ever.

 

[dalyricalbandit]

Give me 99-02 kane dude was unstoppable

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

I'll be the asshole.

Cena's last 10 years he has gotten progressively better and right now he doing the best work of his career. Kane has been getting WORSE since 1998

Kane barely has good matches with great workers. Who remembers Kane's matches with Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho or Booker T? Nobody. People have been groaning at Kane for YEARS. Nobody wanted him in the main event in 2003 or 2004 alone today.

Kane even as a character has been dead since they did the love angle with Tori that was like 1999.

but but but, what about all the great matches he's had

 

[blu197]

I'll be the asshole.

Cena's last 10 years he has gotten progressively better and right now he doing the best work of his career. Kane has been getting WORSE since 1998

Kane barely has good matches with great workers. Who remembers Kane's matches with Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho or Booker T? Nobody. People have been groaning at Kane for YEARS. Nobody wanted him in the main event in 2003 or 2004 alone today.

Kane even as a character has been dead since they did the love angle with Tori that was like 1999.

This retard is straight shitposting and shouldn't be allowed to talk wrestling...

"Cenas last 10 years he has gotten progressively better" straight up LIES, you can't give 3 reasons how he improved...

"Who remembers Kane matches in Ruthless Aggression?" niggas who actually watched RAW back then and have a decent memory...

"Nobody wanted him in the main event in 03/04" FALSE, your bitch ass is just sayin shit with no type of source, Kane was over af, many wanted him to go over and get the title at No Mercy 02 vs HHH and AGAIN in 03 vs HHH in the Mask vs Title match...

"Kane as a character has been dead since the Tori love angle" FALSE, especially when Kane first unmasked and was beastin squashing niggas every week, setting JR on fire, tombstone Linda, shit with Shane, coming down to ring in Chains and 10 security guys, that was some of the coolest shit they did with his character....

Kane's Attitude Era work is better than anything Cena has done in the buisness, his work with Austin,Taker,HHH,RVD ill watch any day over anything Cena has done with anybody.... Kane is better overall by FAR

 

[blu197]

Oh and Kane's in ring psychology blows Cenas out the water, even in Kane's monster heel prime when he no selled alot you would never see him take Frog Splash by the world champ and roll back up like that fuckery Cena displayed....

 

[jono]

Kane was unmasked because hus character had been shit for years. I agree 2003 Kane was some of the best work but how many PPVs did he main event? He had some good matches with Shane McMahon, who is a remarkable worker by the way, but he didn't really shine with anyone else...maybe RVD and he had a decent match with HBK around that time.

And Kane no sold Chavo Guerrero's Frog Splash WHICH IS HIS FINISHER into a chokeslam. Rollins doesnt use the frog splash as a finish, in fact he just started using it as a regular damn move. If IIRC he did the same to RVD as well.

But lets get back to these matches though.

Lets look at similar opponents.

Who had better matches with Angle? Cena

Who had better matches with HHH? Cena

Who had better matches with RVD? Cena

Who had better matches with Edge? Cena

Who had better matches with Batista? Cena

Who had better matches with Jericho? Cena

Im not seeing the debate.

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

there is no debate, niggas cant even bring up a real stand out match from kane, at best bruh just had some real cool moments. niggas had the nerve to call taker overrated. ruthless aggression my favorite time period pure wrestling wise, and u know what stand out about kane at that time most, katie vick.

 

[5th Letter]

Kane in his prime was the better wrestler, had the better character, better on the mic. Cena can work too but he's annoying.

 

[blu197]

there is no debate,niggas cant even bring up a real stand out match from kane, at best bruh just had some real cool moments. niggas had the nerve to call taker overrated. ruthless aggression my favorite time period pure wrestling wise, and u know what stand out about kane at that time most, katie vick.

Do you know what this thread is about? The thread topic isn't "Who had more stand out matches aka who had the bigger push".. I can't give you "stand out" matches with guys like Billy Kidman, Hardcore Holly, Goldust, Kerry Von Erich, Rick Martel ect but they're all still better overall wrestlers than Cena, just like Kane...

As long as Cenas been the top guy i dont even remember Cena matches like that and you tryn to gas this man up like he has HBK vs Bret WM12 or Kurt vs Stone Cold SS class of matches under his belt.. gtfoh....

Like everybody in thread said, Kane does EVERYTHING better than Cena, when it pertains to mic skills, psychology, character, athleticism ect..

 

[StoneColdMikey]

lol kane never been better on mic skills but overall hell yeah . dude probably was the strongest in thr ring ever but he wasnt a typical big man. i still can't believe the kane from late 90s is still the kane from now. shit kane from now stillstrong as shit.

 

[StoneColdMikey]

character wise kane sucks now but i don't hate kane like i do big show though. kane is alright in ring wise

 

[Already Home_17]

Kane was unmasked because hus character had been shit for years. I agree 2003 Kane was some of the best work but how many PPVs did he main event? He had some good matches with Shane McMahon, who is a remarkable worker by the way, but he didn't really shine with anyone else...maybe RVD and he had a decent match with HBK around that time.

And Kane no sold Chavo Guerrero's Frog Splash WHICH IS HIS FINISHER into a chokeslam. Rollins doesnt use the frog splash as a finish, in fact he just started using it as a regular damn move. If IIRC he did the same to RVD as well.

But lets get back to these matches though.

Lets look at similar opponents.

Who had better matches with Angle? Cena

Who had better matches with HHH? Cena

Who had better matches with RVD? Cena

Who had better matches with Edge? Cena

Who had better matches with Batista? Cena

Who had better matches with Jericho? Cena

Im not seeing the debate.

kane main evented twice in 2003

vs hhh, which lead to his unmasking

after he was a heel and well, it didn't make sense for a heel hhh to go up against a heel Kane for the title did it?

once a face goldberg won the championship, Kane challenged. yet so did hhh. have you forgotten this was the middle of the reign of terror?

I can't think of any great matches Kane's been in, but he's had a lot of enjoyable ones. especially with the opponents you named.

what gives Kane the edge over cena imo is how he's been able to evolve his character numerous of times. hell his bipolar act last Monday was one of the highlights of the show. and although corporate Kane has been annoying for the past 2 years, cena's character has been insufferable for the past 8 years. Kane's willing to put anybody over. cena? nexus

that's all that needs to be said

and nigga did you just bring up him no selling chavo? chavo? who gives a fuck?

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

there is no debate,niggas cant even bring up a real stand out match from kane, at best bruh just had some real cool moments. niggas had the nerve to call taker overrated. ruthless aggression my favorite time period pure wrestling wise, and u know what stand out about kane at that time most, katie vick.

Do you know what this thread is about? The thread topic isn't "Who had more stand out matches aka who had the bigger push".. I can't give you "stand out" matches with guys like Billy Kidman, Hardcore Holly, Goldust, Kerry Von Erich, Rick Martel ect but they're all still better overall wrestlers than Cena, just like Kane...

As long as Cenas been the top guy i dont even remember Cena matches like that and you tryn to gas this man up like he has HBK vs Bret WM12 or Kurt vs Stone Cold SS class of matches under his belt.. gtfoh....

Like everybody in thread said, Kane does EVERYTHING better than Cena, when it pertains to mic skills, psychology, character, athleticism ect..

ur the only one who said any of this tho.

 

[jono]

Kane was unmasked because hus character had been shit for years. I agree 2003 Kane was some of the best work but how many PPVs did he main event? He had some good matches with Shane McMahon, who is a remarkable worker by the way, but he didn't really shine with anyone else...maybe RVD and he had a decent match with HBK around that time.

And Kane no sold Chavo Guerrero's Frog Splash WHICH IS HIS FINISHER into a chokeslam. Rollins doesnt use the frog splash as a finish, in fact he just started using it as a regular damn move. If IIRC he did the same to RVD as well.

But lets get back to these matches though.

Lets look at similar opponents.

Who had better matches with Angle? Cena

Who had better matches with HHH? Cena

Who had better matches with RVD? Cena

Who had better matches with Edge? Cena

Who had better matches with Batista? Cena

Who had better matches with Jericho? Cena

Im not seeing the debate.

kane main evented twice in 2003

vs hhh, which lead to his unmasking

after he was a heel and well, it didn't make sense for a heel hhh to go up against a heel Kane for the title did it?

once a face goldberg won the championship, Kane challenged. yet so did hhh. have you forgotten this was the middle of the reign of terror?

I can't think of any great matches Kane's been in, but he's had a lot of enjoyable ones. especially with the opponents you named.

what gives Kane the edge over cena imo is how he's been able to evolve his character numerous of times. hell his bipolar act last Monday was one of the highlights of the show. and although corporate Kane has been annoying for the past 2 years, cena's character has been insufferable for the past 8 years. Kane's willing to put anybody over. cena? nexus

that's all that needs to be said

and nigga did you just bring up him no selling chavo? chavo? who gives a fuck?

It doesn't matter who it is. Chavo at the time was ECW World Champion. I can go on about him burying Tombstones and other people's finishers too but I stuck with the topic of frog splashes.

I believe he also did it to Rey Mysterio too.

As far as his main event run of 2003 the second match (triple threat w/ Goldberg & HHH) he was only in that match to lose.

I agree my favorite Kane run was 2003, when they reignited the character by unmasking him but then they snuffed it out quick as fuck.

Kane was dull as dishwater until 2010 when they made him WHC for his "last run" where he killed Undertaker in a feud. Then he and Edge bombed and had shit matches.

Then Kane was once again boring and doing nothing until 2012 when he returned masked to feud with....CENA! Lol

 

[blu197]

Dude just drop it, no matter how bad Kane's character got it was still more entertaining than Cenas character, and it was in Kane's booking to no sell like most giants do, like Show,Andre or even Strowman, it's BELIEVABLE if someone Kane's size no sells crusierweight niggas like Chavo or Rey, he's no sold HHH and other guys like Rock but so has other giants including Taker or Brock, that's how they're booked.. Cena no sells bc he has ZERO ring psychology, he takes everything a guy has in his moveset and gets up and moves around like it wasn't shit, where guys like Roman and Ziggler sell the physicality of the match from beginning to end, sometimes they sell the physicality of that match on the next weeks RAW....

There's not ONE thing Cena does better than Kane from an athletic, entertainment or in ring perspective, especially when comparing Kanes prime..