Best All-Time Players Without An NBA Title

[Mvpbrodie93]

All positions are important, but each is weighted differently. You honestly think PG is as important as C defensively?

The lakers have won 5 rings with the worst defensive PG in the game. Is it really that important? No PG shuts down each other anymore.

The mags with Nash were one of the best offensive teams In the game. So it's not just phoenix.

I'll give u CP3 who I think is the GOAT PG, I love kidd but Nash is a VASTLY offensive superior player.(I'd probably still take Kidd cause intangibles)

What have they done more the Nash? Kidd making it to the finals(and getting destroyed there) in the weakest era in ECF history? That's more impressive then battling the defensive juggernauts of the western conference? CP3 whose only been out of the 1st Rd once? Jus last year Nash took a suns team no one expected to get to the WCF and 6 games with the best team in the league

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

Who runs Better offensive teams then Nash?

Number one or 2 every year, and it doesn't matter the supporting cast either.

 

[Coo Coo Cal's Beanie]

You're saying its not important to play defense as a PG and this is a guard driven league. A PG just won MVP lol. Your argument is retarded. All positions matter when it comes to defense. Nash isnt vastly offensively superior to kidd. He's a better jumpshooter, but kidd is a better passer.

Mavs went to the finals after Nash left, i guess his value really showed huh?

Nash also had a nigga that was an ALL NBA first teamer on that WCF run last year, so idk why you acting like he's so great. what did he do after Amar'e left?

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

Nash is a better shooter, scorer, and finisher at the rim, better handles too. Kidd has better Vision/passer, not by alot. Nash runs better offenses the Kidd.

Rose is an avg defender, but his team could live with tha because they were the best defensive and rebounding team in the league.

Nash won 2 less games then amare in the western coference this year ina rebuilding situation with 98 year old grant hill as his second best players. If he was in the east they'd be in the playoffs....

You're saying its not important to play defense as a PG and this is a guard driven league. A PG just won MVP lol. Your argument is retarded. All positions matter when it comes to defense. Nash isnt vastly offensively superior to kidd. He's a better jumpshooter, but kidd is a better passer.

Mavs went to the finals after Nash left, i guess his value really showed huh?

Nash also had a nigga that was an ALL NBA first teamer on that WCF run last year, so idk why you acting like he's so great. what did he do after Amar'e left?

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

I never said all positions don't matter, I said they all are weighted differently in terms of importance. Mike Bibby is an atrocious defender...

Heat in the NBA finals.......

 

[Coo Coo Cal's Beanie]

Nash is a better shooter, scorer, and finisher at the rim, better handles too. Kidd has better Vision/passer, not by alot. Nash runs better offenses the Kidd.

Rose is an avg defender, but his team could live with tha because they were the best defensive and rebounding team in the league.

Nash won 2 less games then amare in the western coference this year ina rebuilding situation with 98 year old grant hill as his second best players. If he was in the east they'd be in the playoffs....

2 less games? they won 54 last year. won 40 this year. What are u talkin about?

I never said all positions don't matter, I said they all are weighted differently in terms of importance. Mike Bibby is an atrocious defender...

Heat in the NBA finals.......

we have chalmers playin when we need stops. Bibby dont see the floor in the 4th qtr

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

2 less games? they won 54 last year. won 40 this year. What are u talkin about?

we have chalmers playin when we need stops. Bibby dont see the floor in the 4th qtr

2 less games then Knicks

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

Bobby is the starting point on an Future NBA championship team. Lol @ PG defense

 

[Coo Coo Cal's Beanie]

2 less games then Knicks

After they traded away half their team and lost all chemistry midseason?

 

[Mvpbrodie93]

After they traded away half their team and lost all chemistry midseason?

They were treading water before the trade...

 

[one_manshow]

Magic Johnson

dont have another. Easy to do when ur team is stacked and u play in a system that inflates stats

Point guards job is to make those around him better and facilitate the team KJ did that and also played defense.

What is exactly is your point? The Suns squad Nash had during those MVP awards were just as good.

KJs consistency>>>>

 

[Coo Coo Cal's Beanie]

Point guards job is to make those around him better and facilitate the team KJ did that and also played defense.

What is exactly is your point? The Suns squad Nash had during those MVP awards were just as good.

KJs consistency>>>>

lol you misunderstood my post. Kidd is the best PG in suns history. KJ is 2nd. Nash is 3rd

 

[OFWGKTA]

1. allen iverson

2. charles barkley

3. steve nash

4. j kidd

5.patrick ewing

6. dirk

7. pete maravich

 

[OFWGKTA]

16.Bernard King

(1977-93)

The former scoring champion (and notable Hall of Fame snub to many) won one playoff series in his career (during which he lost nearly two full seasons of his prime to a knee injury). King's Knicks memorably lost in seven games to eventual champion Boston in the 1984 Eastern Conference semifinals.

17.Dave Bing

(1966-78)

The former Pistons guard couldn't deliver a title to Detroit, where he's now the mayor, but he did win Rookie of the Year and All-Star MVP in his Hall of Fame career.

18.Nate Thurmond

(1963-77)

Thurmond made the Finals twice but had the misfortune of meeting Bill Russell's Celtics and Wilt Chamberlain's 76ers in those series. The Warriors traded the rebounding and defensive ace the year before they won the 1975 title.

19.Sidney Moncrief

(1979-91)

The two-time Defensive Player of the Year won division titles in his first seven years with Milwaukee but that regular-season success never translated into a single Finals berth.

20.Vince Carter

(1998-present)

The knock on the explosive scorer and perennial All-Star has always been his teams' lack of playoff success. Carter had a chance to redefine his reputation with the Magic in the 2010 playoffs but struggled in a conference-finals loss to Boston. Orlando traded Carter to Phoenix early in the 2010-11 season.

21.Chris Webber

(1993-2008)

If only Webber's Kings had gotten past the Lakers in the controversial 2002 Western Conference finals -- surely Sacramento could have dominated the Nets in the Finals like L.A. did. In fact, Webber played on four 55-win teams with the Kings without a Finals appearance to show for it. Webber's crunch-time shortcomings have led to much debate surrounding his Hall of Fame candidacy.

22.Reggie Miller

(1987-2005)

One of the league's great shooters had several signature playoff moments, many against the Knicks, and he made the playoffs 15 times in an 18-year career, all with the Pacers. But his only trip to the Finals came in 2000, when the Pacers lost to the Lakers in the first of L.A's three consecutive titles.

smh@ reggie miller bing number 22.gtfo with that

 

[Coo Coo Cal's Beanie]

1. allen iverson
2. charles barkley
3. steve nash
4. j kidd
5.patrick ewing
6. dirk
7. pete maravich

LOL no

And reggie being #22 is actually right. Go look at the numbers

 

[OFWGKTA]

LOL no

And reggie being #22 is actually right. Go look at the numbers

fuck the numbers. the game is more then just numbers. dude was 1st all time for 3 pointers made till this year. was super clutch. mentally tough. worked hard. one of the few that would go back and forth with mike.

my list is better then the t/s.
allen iverson is top 20 to ever touch a basketball. people forget how nice dude was.

 

[one_manshow]

lol you misunderstood my post. Kidd is the best PG in suns history. KJ is 2nd. Nash is 3rd

How is Kidd better than Johnson and Nash as Sun when he averaged 10 assists only twice? (one of the years was a lockout season with 50 games) He never shot better than 45% from the field while on the Suns EVER.

Like I said KJ is the best Suns PG ever you can debate #2 and #3 but like I previously mentioned 20 and 10 for three seasons with 50% shooting speaks volumes. Pull up some of those 90s classics and footage then holla at me.

 

[OFWGKTA]

How is Kidd better than Johnson and Nash as Sun when he averaged 10 assists only twice? (one of the years was a lockout season with 50 games) He never shot better than 45% from the field while on the Suns EVER.

Like I said KJ is the best Suns PG ever you can debate #2 and #3 but like I previously mentioned 20 and 10 for three seasons with 50% shooting speaks volumes. Pull up some of those 90s classics and footage then holla at me.

how many mvp's does KJ have? Nash has 2.

 

[Coo Coo Cal's Beanie]

fuck the numbers. the game is more then just numbers. dude was 1st all time for 3 pointers made till this year. was super clutch. mentally tough. worked hard. one of the few that would go back and forth with mike.

my list is better then the t/s.
allen iverson is top 20 to ever touch a basketball. people forget how nice dude was.

Nigga how u gone say someone is great and then say fuck the numbers? no point in debating wit you, you sonned yourself

How is Kidd better than Johnson and Nash as Sun when he averaged 10 assists only twice? (one of the years was a lockout season with 50 games) He never shot better than 45% from the field while on the Suns EVER.

Like I said KJ is the best Suns PG ever you can debate #2 and #3 but like I previously mentioned 20 and 10 for three seasons with 50% shooting speaks volumes. Pull up some of those 90s classics and footage then holla at me.

Kidd was winning in Phx with bums. Shawn Marion was the only nigga on that team that could get his own shot. Nash had allstars and was constantly getting knocked out by San Antonio.

 

[one_manshow]

*chuckles* @ this 19 year old saying Kidd was a Sun better than KJ and Nash I'm done with you.

That ends the debate here...