Believe it or Not?

[Bodhi]

Neither. Seeing is knowing.

For example, if I come to you with a closed fist and tell you "I have a diamond in my hand". You would have to choose to believe or not believe. But you would not KNOW. When I opened my hand and revealed the truth, believing would stop because you would then SEE. You would then KNOW. Once you see, you no longer believe.

 

[fiat_money]

Nah, seeing is seeing, and believing is believing.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Some things I had to see to believe, other things I had to believe to see. How can that be?

 

[Bodhi]

I don't know. You tell me. Give examples of what you're talking about.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

You know when people say "If I hadn't of seen it with my own eyes I wouldn't have believed....." or when people say "I never 'saw' god until I believed in him"

 

[fiat_money]

Some things I had to see to believe, other things I had to believe to see. How can that be?

You can separate the two.

If I see a magician "saw a woman in half", I will not believe that the magician actually sawed her in half. If I then deduce that there must've been an additional woman involved in the trick, that is what I'll believe; even if I didn't see the "Masked Magician" reveal the secret to the trick.

Seeing can serve as support for a belief, and believing may cause someone to see something; but seeing is not believing.

Seeing is seeing, and believing is believing.