Batman vs. Thanos

[jaxn]

lol at this shit from cracked.com:

#2. Thanos: A Desire to Lose
http://www.cracked.com/article_19434_the-6-most-ridiculous-superhero-weaknesses_p2.html

yea.. tell me Batman wouldn't figure that shit out

First, that only pertains to Thanos achieving omnipotence of some sort. Secondly, that hasn't been valid since the 90s. Try again.

Batman would find a way, probably sell his soul and become The Spectre for a while or something. maybe get GL to hook him up with a power ring then use that power ring to search throughout the universe for whatever tools can bring down Thanos.

Thanos is killable, or else this wouldn't be a question. and since he's mortal there is either some type of power or tool Batman can acquire or Spectre can get at him from the other side.

let's not downplay the fact that Batman did get Darkseid on a few occassions and Darkseid vs Thanos IS a valid comparison.

Regarding the first bolded, that isn't nearly as cut and dry as you make it seem. During the Thanos Imperative, Thanos was literally disintegrated but managed to regenerate in the next issue due to Death not wanting him...again.

Regarding the second bolded, as jaxn pointed out, they really aren't nowadays. Despite how they were portrayed in the DC vs Marvel crossover, Darkseid doesn't consistently get the same level of respect that Thanos does. In one story, Darkseid might be a universal threat, and in the next, he is begging Superman not to beat his ass anymore. Thanos, on the other hand, tends to be treated as a threat that no signal hero could overcome. From physically stalemating a significantly powered up Thor, to knocking Galactus on his ass, to beating the Silver Surfer to within an inch of his life, to lobotomizing the mortal form of Kosmos (aka the Beyonder), Thanos tends to be treated with a high degree of respect whenever he shows up.

agreed, Thanos is that deal. He doesn't play around with top tiers..you'll never see a Thor or Hulk beating the brakes of Thanos unless there are some kind of circumstances...even though he's not on these guys' power level, he usually tries to go at it with the likes of Odin, Walker, Tyrant, Galactus

 

[Bloo Q]

ok so you pose the question Batman vs Thanos, and then basically explain that Thanos is unkillable by anyone ever end of story. so what's your point?

how's Batman gonna have a chance against someone that by your explanation even Darkseid, Spectre, Fate, Supes, GL or whoever else in the DCU couldn't take? going by this thread i'd just chalk up this Thanos character as bad writing and so this is a stupid question.

but whatever i'll give you the benefit of the doubt - why pose such an obviously lop sided rhetorical question? trying to prove a point?

Just because he may be unkillable, doesn't mean that he can't be knocked out or disabled somehow. Besides, Batman isn't the Punisher, so I don't expect him to resort to murder unless he absolutely has to.

I wanted to see where everyone rated Batman's prep abilities, because hear some of you tell it, he doesn't have any limits.

And interesting double standard you have there: Thanos is the product of bad writing, but Batman managing to rig Apokalips with explosive devices or drawing blood from Darkseid with a kick isn't?

Don't forget, Batman also essentially "willed" himself the ability to fly in order to save someone way back inna day. It was on the cover of either Detective Comics or Batman, can't remember which one and I can't seem to find a pic of it, though I know it's out there.

 

[Doctopian]

Don't forget, Batman also essentially "willed" himself the ability to fly in order to save someone way back inna day. It was on the cover of either Detective Comics or Batman, can't remember which one and I can't seem to find a pic of it, though I know it's out there.

Word? I've never heard of that, but I don't doubt it at all.

 

[I Am Him]

lol at this shit from cracked.com:

#2. Thanos: A Desire to Lose
http://www.cracked.com/article_19434_the-6-most-ridiculous-superhero-weaknesses_p2.html

yea.. tell me Batman wouldn't figure that shit out

It wouldn't matter if he did, he would be dead before he could do anything with that info

 

[The Lonious Monk]

So Batman has fanboys like that on here, interesting.

Batman stands no chance. Thanos does what Batman does but on a cosmic scale. He's more intelligent, has more knowledge, is a better fighter, has better technology, knows magic, and actually has powers. There is literally nothing that Batman has going for him that would allow him to triumph over Thanos alone.

As far Thanos' desire to lose, it's true, but let's not forget that the person who surmised it was Adam Warlock, who is essentially Thanos' arch nemesis, and Warlock had only come to that conclusion after Thanos had been successful and basically allowed himself to lose.

 

[I Am Him]

Oh, they go H.A.M. for Bats, Wolverine is my fav character, but I know he can't beat Thanos.

 

[I Am Him]

ok so you pose the question Batman vs Thanos, and then basically explain that Thanos is unkillable by anyone ever end of story. so what's your point?

how's Batman gonna have a chance against someone that by your explanation even Darkseid, Spectre, Fate, Supes, GL or whoever else in the DCU couldn't take? going by this thread i'd just chalk up this Thanos character as bad writing and so this is a stupid question.

but whatever i'll give you the benefit of the doubt - why pose such an obviously lop sided rhetorical question? trying to prove a point?

Just because he may be unkillable, doesn't mean that he can't be knocked out or disabled somehow. Besides, Batman isn't the Punisher, so I don't expect him to resort to murder unless he absolutely has to.

I wanted to see where everyone rated Batman's prep abilities, because hear some of you tell it, he doesn't have any limits.

And interesting double standard you have there: Thanos is the product of bad writing, but Batman managing to rig Apokalips with explosive devices or drawing blood from Darkseid with a kick isn't?

I was gonna say the same thing. DC messed up Batman by making him something he was not when he was created. Batman was a crime fighter, not a superhero.

 

[Bloo Q]

Don't forget, Batman also essentially "willed" himself the ability to fly in order to save someone way back inna day. It was on the cover of either Detective Comics or Batman, can't remember which one and I can't seem to find a pic of it, though I know it's out there.

Word? I've never heard of that, but I don't doubt it at all.

I've seen the issue, someone was about to die and Batman announces on the cover that if he must fly to save this person, then he will fly or something to that effect. It's old as hell, maybe 50's or 60's, but it was a product of horrible writing none the less.

My essential problem with DC comics on a whole was always the writing. While I was growing up DC was ass. Crisis on Infinite Earths was really the first time I ever cared for a DC arc, but even then the story was not nearly as good as some of the arcs in Marvel at the time (Mutant Massacre in particular).

 

[A.J. Trillzynski]

ok so you pose the question Batman vs Thanos, and then basically explain that Thanos is unkillable by anyone ever end of story. so what's your point?

how's Batman gonna have a chance against someone that by your explanation even Darkseid, Spectre, Fate, Supes, GL or whoever else in the DCU couldn't take? going by this thread i'd just chalk up this Thanos character as bad writing and so this is a stupid question.

but whatever i'll give you the benefit of the doubt - why pose such an obviously lop sided rhetorical question? trying to prove a point?

Just because he may be unkillable, doesn't mean that he can't be knocked out or disabled somehow. Besides, Batman isn't the Punisher, so I don't expect him to resort to murder unless he absolutely has to.

I wanted to see where everyone rated Batman's prep abilities, because hear some of you tell it, he doesn't have any limits.

And interesting double standard you have there: Thanos is the product of bad writing, but Batman managing to rig Apokalips with explosive devices or drawing blood from Darkseid with a kick isn't?

i'm not one to say Batman can beat anyone with prep time that's just stupid.

Batman has never actually defeated Darkseid, so don't want to mislead here.. when Batman got Darkseid in Final Crisis it wasn't anything outrageous he just shot him with the radion bullet designed to hill him (that killed Orion, actually) and crippled him for a while but Darkseid came back and it was Batman that was sent back through time and died (or one of his clones or someshit) the other time i'm thinking of is in Batman/Superman: Apocalypse where Batman genuinely outsmarts him and Darkseid has to give in and give up Kara or Batman would take out all of Apokolips. still that writing really isn't anything crazy like Thanos being the living embodiment of the universe and whatever other nonsense you were talking about like he came back from being disintegrated. anyways DC generally make more sense because they're more fantasy and writers have more freedom to be creative and do what they want with the characters, unlike Marvel where the characters abilities are always trying to be explained and grounded in the real world.

 

[Doctopian]

i'm not one to say Batman can beat anyone with prep time that's just stupid.

Indeed.

Batman has never actually defeated Darkseid, so don't want to mislead here.. when Batman got Darkseid in Final Crisis it wasn't anything outrageous he just shot him with the radion bullet designed to hill him (that killed Orion, actually) and crippled him for a while but Darkseid came back and it was Batman that was sent back through time and died (or one of his clones or someshit)

The Radion Bullet actually did kill Darkseid; it just took a little longer for him to die than Batman anticipated. Darkseid dif send Batman back in time with the Omega Sanction, and the body that Superman found was a clone created by Darkseid. You're right, that isn't too crazy, because in a convoluted way, Darkseid killed himself. I wasn't referring to Final Crisis, but the story from the Superman/Batman comic where Batman managed to draw blood from Darkseid with a kick. That shit is ridiculous considering what both characters represent and the power tiers they are supposed to be on.

the other time i'm thinking of is in Batman/Superman: Apocalypse where Batman genuinely outsmarts him and Darkseid has to give in and give up Kara or Batman would take out all of Apokolips.

And how isn't this ridiculous. Batman came up with a way to destroy a planet that exists outside of space-time, is said to be the size of a galaxy, and has super advanced tech beyond anything on DC Earth? Word?

still that writing really isn't anything crazy like Thanos being the living embodiment of the universe and whatever other nonsense you were talking about like he came back from being disintegrated.

Thanos is normally no where near that level of power. He has to collect artifacts (the Cosmic Cube/Infinity Gems) or usurp some external power source (the Heart of the Infinite). He's usually on a level above the likes of Superman, Thor, and Surfer, but below the likes of Odin and Galactus.

The only reason he could come back from Drax's antimatter bomb is because Death banned him from her realm again, making Thanos effectively immortal. Given the context, it isn't crazy at all.

anyways DC generally make more sense because they're more fantasy and writers have more freedom to be creative and do what they want with the characters, unlike Marvel where the characters abilities are always trying to be explained and grounded in the real world.

I have to disagree, both universes seem to have a pretty equal blends of Sci-Fi (super science) and Fantasy (magic), and given the seemingly perpetual editoral edicts regarding Batman and Superman, I don't see how their writers have more freedom. Given that DC reboots its continuity about once a decade, I would argue that Marvel writers have more freedom to alter the mythos of the characters they write and have it stick.

 

[Doctopian]

I was gonna say the same thing. DC messed up Batman by making him something he was not when he was created. Batman was a crime fighter, not a superhero.

Right. Things get silly when you take him away from the core of what he is. That's why I give Morrison the Shaq/Kobe face when I read some of his Batman stuff.

I've seen the issue, someone was about to die and Batman announces on the cover that if he must fly to save this person, then he will fly or something to that effect. It's old as hell, maybe 50's or 60's, but it was a product of horrible writing none the less.

My essential problem with DC comics on a whole was always the writing. While I was growing up DC was ass. Crisis on Infinite Earths was really the first time I ever cared for a DC arc, but even then the story was not nearly as good as some of the arcs in Marvel at the time (Mutant Massacre in particular).

I won't go as far as saying that DC can't compete with Marvel in regards to writing, but I do prefer Marvel. A large part of that is relatability. You can simply empathize with Marvel character more due to most of them having a character flaw that makes them human in a way. That's probably the same reason why I like Batman and Captain Marvel more than the other DC characters.

 

[Bloo Q]

I was gonna say the same thing. DC messed up Batman by making him something he was not when he was created. Batman was a crime fighter, not a superhero.

Right. Things get silly when you take him away from the core of what he is. That's why I give Morrison the Shaq/Kobe face when I read some of his Batman stuff.

I've seen the issue, someone was about to die and Batman announces on the cover that if he must fly to save this person, then he will fly or something to that effect. It's old as hell, maybe 50's or 60's, but it was a product of horrible writing none the less.

My essential problem with DC comics on a whole was always the writing. While I was growing up DC was ass. Crisis on Infinite Earths was really the first time I ever cared for a DC arc, but even then the story was not nearly as good as some of the arcs in Marvel at the time (Mutant Massacre in particular).

I won't go as far as saying that DC can't compete with Marvel in regards to writing, but I do prefer Marvel. A large part of that is relatability. You can simply empathize with Marvel character more due to most of them having a character flaw that makes them human in a way. That's probably the same reason why I like Batman and Captain Marvel more than the other DC characters.

Funny thing... I will watch a DC based cartoon before I watch a Marvel one. Justice League/JLU had writing that made the heroes more human than the comics. Batman was never a true member of the League in the show and had a deep distrust of the superpowered members (they even carried over the canon piece where Batman keeps a piece of Kryptonite in his belt in case Superman goes rogue). The relationship between Green Lantern and Hawkgirl ran deep and got complicated, especially after he started seeing Vixen, then went into the future and met his son by Hawkgirl.

The writing on the show was superb and they managed to keep most of the canon from the comics intact (not all... most).

Meanwhile, Marvel consistently fucked up their shows, changing shit, adding characters for the shows that didn't exist in the comics... all kinda dumb shit... And the writing, most of the time, was god-awful. I mean... Iron Man is a fuckin KID???!!! GTFOHWTBS!!!

 

[nujerz84]

I was gonna say the same thing. DC messed up Batman by making him something he was not when he was created. Batman was a crime fighter, not a superhero.

Right. Things get silly when you take him away from the core of what he is. That's why I give Morrison the Shaq/Kobe face when I read some of his Batman stuff.

I've seen the issue, someone was about to die and Batman announces on the cover that if he must fly to save this person, then he will fly or something to that effect. It's old as hell, maybe 50's or 60's, but it was a product of horrible writing none the less.

My essential problem with DC comics on a whole was always the writing. While I was growing up DC was ass. Crisis on Infinite Earths was really the first time I ever cared for a DC arc, but even then the story was not nearly as good as some of the arcs in Marvel at the time (Mutant Massacre in particular).

I won't go as far as saying that DC can't compete with Marvel in regards to writing, but I do prefer Marvel. A large part of that is relatability. You can simply empathize with Marvel character more due to most of them having a character flaw that makes them human in a way. That's probably the same reason why I like Batman and Captain Marvel more than the other DC characters.

Funny thing... I will watch a DC based cartoon before I watch a Marvel one. Justice League/JLU had writing that made the heroes more human than the comics. Batman was never a true member of the League in the show and had a deep distrust of the superpowered members (they even carried over the canon piece where Batman keeps a piece of Kryptonite in his belt in case Superman goes rogue). The relationship between Green Lantern and Hawkgirl ran deep and got complicated, especially after he started seeing Vixen, then went into the future and met his son by Hawkgirl.

The writing on the show was superb and they managed to keep most of the canon from the comics intact (not all... most).

Meanwhile, Marvel consistently fucked up their shows, changing shit, adding characters for the shows that didn't exist in the comics... all kinda dumb shit... And the writing, most of the time, was god-awful. I mean... Iron Man is a fuckin KID???!!! GTFOHWTBS!!!

Marvel has a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG Way to Go before they even can fuck with DC in terms of Cartoons or Animated Movies thats not even a competition period.

 

[Kame]

Spectacular Spiderman was pretty good before it got cancelled smh

 

[I Am Him]

I think with those shows(Super Hero Squad and Kid Iron Man)they were aiming at little kids to try to get them to read comics. Reptile was the viewer on the team. I think Ultimate Spider-Man is the right mixture of young and old. I had a little problem with the cut-scenes, but I think only two characters could pull that off and Deadpool will never get his own show. Avengers is rapidly becoming one of my favorite cartoons. Which is crazy because I have never been a fan of the Avengers.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

The Avengers cartoon is good, but yeah other than the DC got the animation game on lock. That said, it's the complete opposite when it comes to movies. Other than the Batman franchise, DC isn't much competition for Marvel in that arena.

 

[jaxn]

Marvel tends to use their Ultimate or alternative universe brand when making these cartoons..The new Avengers toon has a combination of both the Ultimate and 616 storylines..Iron Man Armored Avengers is a pretty decent show but on average DC has better animation than Marvel. Both universes can have decent storylines, I just personally prefer Marvel over DC. DC goes out of their way to show Superman and Batman as being the greatest and sometimes that gets in the way of storytelling..Don't get me wrong there are plenty of writers in Marvel who have the tendacy of getting out of control with their characters

 

[jaxn]

I was gonna say the same thing. DC messed up Batman by making him something he was not when he was created. Batman was a crime fighter, not a superhero.

Right. Things get silly when you take him away from the core of what he is. That's why I give Morrison the Shaq/Kobe face when I read some of his Batman stuff.

I've seen the issue, someone was about to die and Batman announces on the cover that if he must fly to save this person, then he will fly or something to that effect. It's old as hell, maybe 50's or 60's, but it was a product of horrible writing none the less.

My essential problem with DC comics on a whole was always the writing. While I was growing up DC was ass. Crisis on Infinite Earths was really the first time I ever cared for a DC arc, but even then the story was not nearly as good as some of the arcs in Marvel at the time (Mutant Massacre in particular).

I won't go as far as saying that DC can't compete with Marvel in regards to writing, but I do prefer Marvel. A large part of that is relatability. You can simply empathize with Marvel character more due to most of them having a character flaw that makes them human in a way. That's probably the same reason why I like Batman and Captain Marvel more than the other DC characters.

Agreed, just take a look at Spiderman..his entire character is based on failing to stop the guy who killed his uncle, but when you delve deeper, most of his rogues gallery consists of folks he knows personally..the Lizard, Green Goblin, Kraven, Venom..all guys who have a personal relationship with him as Peter Parker..the Hulk, a hero who struggles with being a monster..Thor, living in his father's shadow, showing more concern for humans than his godly friends at times..Ironman was a drunk who needed to create the armor to basically save himself..the Xmen are basically black folks in comics imo..they have to deal with the world hating them, despite them saving the world on a number of occasions..

 

[MorganFreemanKing]

Marvel tends to use their Ultimate or alternative universe brand when making these cartoons..The new Avengers toon has a combination of both the Ultimate and 616 storylines..Iron Man Armored Avengers is a pretty decent show but on average DC has better animation than Marvel. Both universes can have decent storylines, I just personally prefer Marvel over DC. DC goes out of their way to show Superman and Batman as being the greatest and sometimes that gets in the way of storytelling..Don't get me wrong there are plenty of writers in Marvel who have the tendacy of getting out of control with their characters

I think generally Marvel >> DC

but DC cartoons >> Marvel cartoons

what dc does to their comics, marvel does to their cartoons which is a lot of pandering.

 

[jaxn]

Marvel tends to use their Ultimate or alternative universe brand when making these cartoons..The new Avengers toon has a combination of both the Ultimate and 616 storylines..Iron Man Armored Avengers is a pretty decent show but on average DC has better animation than Marvel. Both universes can have decent storylines, I just personally prefer Marvel over DC. DC goes out of their way to show Superman and Batman as being the greatest and sometimes that gets in the way of storytelling..Don't get me wrong there are plenty of writers in Marvel who have the tendacy of getting out of control with their characters

I think generally Marvel >> DC

but DC cartoons >> Marvel cartoons

what dc does to their comics, marvel does to their cartoons which is a lot of pandering.

agreed