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The Hood had prep and a push, the same could be said theoretically about Batman and any other character in history. It's a fundamental nature of the medium. Like I said, it wouldn't surprise me if Batman got a hold of the UN just as I would not be surprised if Tony stark got a hold of it through cunning and preparation. Nobody is saying that Batman could solo Galactus physically. Just as I would not be surprised to see Frank or Tony in the DCU with a plan to acquire the Sword of Superman, Spear of Destiny, some other powerful artifact to fell some powerful cosmic DC character AND succeed. I have a feeling if Tony did this, this board wouldn't care as much. I'm a fan of comic characters and not loyal to one company, so I wouldn't have a problem with Bruce getting decimated by Galactus. I wouldn't have a problem with Tony finding some way to stop Darkseid, Lucifer Morningstar, Krona, etc by means other than unenhanced physical combat.
And all things ridiculous happen in comics and that's the joy of it. It's imaginative fiction. Seriously Wally or SS should not be tagged at all by sub-light characters. What's preventing Wally from doing the Infinite Mass Punch thousands of times a second to any character. And we all saw what happened when he did it to the white Martian just once. But that would take away the joy of reading comics.
And all things ridiculous happen in comics and that's the joy of it. It's imaginative fiction. Seriously Wally or SS should not be tagged at all by sub-light characters. What's preventing Wally from doing the Infinite Mass Punch thousands of times a second to any character. And we all saw what happened when he did it to the white Martian just once. But that would take away the joy of reading comics.
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true i just wish they wouldnt take it to far thats all they should atleast keep some logic or limitation in it certain characters just shouldnt be able to beat others period cause it goes against there powers basically cause some characters have the logical weakness to another character yet the other character wins thats just taken it 2 far at times
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Grahf;4363890 said:Speaking of Flash, loved Johns' first run on Flash many years ago, but not really feeling it now for various reasons.
cant really talk about that one never read it i started reading comics around 2002 so anything before that i cant drop intellect on without sounding stupid
Grahf;4363641 said:The Hood had prep and a push, the same could be said theoretically about Batman and any other character in history. It's a fundamental nature of the medium. Like I said, it wouldn't surprise me if Batman got a hold of the UN just as I would not be surprised if Tony stark got a hold of it through cunning and preparation. Nobody is saying that Batman could solo Galactus physically. Just as I would not be surprised to see Frank or Tony in the DCU with a plan to acquire the Sword of Superman, Spear of Destiny, some other powerful artifact to fell some powerful cosmic DC character AND succeed. I have a feeling if Tony did this, this board wouldn't care as much. I'm a fan of comic characters and not loyal to one company, so I wouldn't have a problem with Bruce getting decimated by Galactus. I wouldn't have a problem with Tony finding some way to stop Darkseid, Lucifer Morningstar, Krona, etc by means other than unenhanced physical combat.
And all things ridiculous happen in comics and that's the joy of it. It's imaginative fiction. Seriously Wally or SS should not be tagged at all by sub-light characters. What's preventing Wally from doing the Infinite Mass Punch thousands of times a second to any character. And we all saw what happened when he did it to the white Martian just once. But that would take away the joy of reading comics.
I hear ya, but there's a difference between a solidified character like Batman and an obscure character in the Hood..the things the Hood was doing during that push is unheard of for his character..it's like Jimmy Olsen waking up one day and beating Superman in a slugfest..
Grahf;4363890 said:Speaking of Flash, loved Johns' first run on Flash many years ago, but not really feeling it now for various reasons.
do you like that Barry is back? I prefer Wally as the main guy, hell he even expanded on the powerset.
jaxn;4364495 said:Grahf;4363890 said:Speaking of Flash, loved Johns' first run on Flash many years ago, but not really feeling it now for various reasons.
do you like that Barry is back? I prefer Wally as the main guy, hell he even expanded on the powerset.
I'm too young to remember Barry's sacrifice tbh lol. I know the importance of it but I didn't read CoIE til way later. Barry pretty hardcore, he doesn't have that hesitation to snap a criminal neck. I can definitely relate to Wally more. Figured it was a matter of time before Barry came back permanently since he made cameos in Johns' initial flash run and Infinite Crisis. Wally will always be the Flash to me.
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I don't think there is a hero or villan out there that does not have some kind of plan at first. I think people place too much stock in that part of the action. To me, it's nothing more than a tool for the writer to show the reader how the action pops off. Even with his prep, the Avengers still beat the hood. I say Batman wouldn't do well in the Marvel universe because it is a bit more down to earth or realistic. I can't see Batman lasting that long in Marvel because the bad guys and even some of the heroes play for keeps. Carnage does not try to keep Spider-Man around because he needs the challenge or whatever, he tries to murk that dude every time he sees him. I think the DC villains and heroes tend to not really want to kill each other, but get the best of their opponent. I will say that I think this has changed with the DCNu and it seems the characters have more of an edge to them now.
Grahf;4363478 said:The Hood never had all the gems + IG in his possession simultaneously. He started with being incarcerated, zero gems, but a plan. Actually he was locked up and uses prep and his cunning to locate the first gem and break out of prison., then use prep to try to acquire the others. I think Batman would do very well in Marvel just like various Marvel characters would do fine in DC. Remember that Batman has a contingency plan for just about every teammate of his in case they go rogue. Mofo is thorough.
I don't think there is a hero or villan out there that does not have some kind of plan at first. I think people place too much stock in that part of the action. To me, it's nothing more than a tool for the writer to show the reader how the action pops off. Even with his prep, the Avengers still beat the hood. I say Batman wouldn't do well in the Marvel universe because it is a bit more down to earth or realistic. I can't see Batman lasting that long in Marvel because the bad guys and even some of the heroes play for keeps. Carnage does not try to keep Spider-Man around because he needs the challenge or whatever, he tries to murk that dude every time he sees him. I think the DC villains and heroes tend to not really want to kill each other, but get the best of their opponent. I will say that I think this has changed with the DCNu and it seems the characters have more of an edge to them now.
Grahf;4363478 said:The Hood never had all the gems + IG in his possession simultaneously. He started with being incarcerated, zero gems, but a plan. Actually he was locked up and uses prep and his cunning to locate the first gem and break out of prison., then use prep to try to acquire the others. I think Batman would do very well in Marvel just like various Marvel characters would do fine in DC. Remember that Batman has a contingency plan for just about every teammate of his in case they go rogue. Mofo is thorough.
I don't think there is a hero or villan out there that does not have some kind of plan at first. I think people place too much stock in that part of the action. To me, it's nothing more than a tool for the writer to show the reader how the action pops off. Even with his prep, the Avengers still beat the hood. I say Batman wouldn't do well in the Marvel universe because it is a bit more down to earth or realistic. I can't see Batman lasting that long in Marvel because the bad guys and even some of the heroes play for keeps. Carnage does not try to keep Spider-Man around because he needs the challenge or whatever, he tries to murk that dude every time he sees him. I think the DC villains and heroes tend to not really want to kill each other, but get the best of their opponent. I will say that I think this has changed with the DCNu and it seems the characters have more of an edge to them now.[/quote]
cosign everything but especially the part in bold
The same could be said about DC honestly. I don't think Dr. Light had that in mind when he raped and killed Sue. Wonder Woman snapping necks. SBP's rampage. The villains had no problem killing in DC (Anti-Monitor killed every single inhabitant of every positive matter universe except 5 in Crisis). Plus at the end of the day, whether it's Cable, Jason Todd, Barry, Bucky, they are all coming back. Wouldnt be surprised if Uncle Ben and the Wayne's reentered their respective continuities. Point is, there are plenty of devious acts and gruesome deaths in both worlds. Funny thing is that in Superman #22 during Byrne's run, Supes travels to the pocket universe and encounters Zod, Zaora, and Quex-Ul. He captures them but only after they obliterate billions of humans, and to prevent them from eventually regaining their powers and killing more, Superman executes them with Kryptonite. it's a pretty good issue if you ever get a hold of it.
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Hitta;4363915 said:Grahf;4363890 said:Speaking of Flash, loved Johns' first run on Flash many years ago, but not really feeling it now for various reasons.
cant really talk about that one never read it i started reading comics around 2002 so anything before that i cant drop intellect on without sounding stupid
Oh cool, there's a lot of good stuff released since then. You can always get da trades to get shit u missed back in da day.
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Ozymandias prep time hella >>>>>The Batman's. Ozymandias successfully neutralized Doctor Manhattan, (a muthfucka who transcends time and space,) and sent enough red herrings to keep Nite-Owl, Rorschach, and Laurie off his ass. Hell the nigga so up on game, he even hired a muthfucka to try and kil him, when stupid muthfucka tried he killed his. When Rorshach got too close he set the short muthafucka up. When The Comedian figured shit out, he ended up being flung out off tall ass residential skyscrape.
Bruce is my favorite character, but if Ra is fucking and can figure out he's The Batman, what the fuck is Bruce going to do against, "the smartest man in the world?" Veidt would see the nigga coming and body Bruce before he left the cave. Bruce doesn't have an answer for Ozymandias.
Not is Ozymandias' prep time >>>>Bruce's, it shits on it like a pamper.
Bruce is my favorite character, but if Ra is fucking and can figure out he's The Batman, what the fuck is Bruce going to do against, "the smartest man in the world?" Veidt would see the nigga coming and body Bruce before he left the cave. Bruce doesn't have an answer for Ozymandias.
Not is Ozymandias' prep time >>>>Bruce's, it shits on it like a pamper.
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Maximus Rex;4369673 said:Ozymandias prep time hella >>>>>The Batman's. Ozymandias successfully neutralized Doctor Manhattan, (a muthfucka who transcends time and space,) and sent enough red herrings to keep Nite-Owl, Rorschach, and Laurie off his ass. Hell the nigga so up on game, he even hired a muthfucka to try and kil him, when stupid muthfucka tried he killed his. When Rorshach got too close he set the short muthafucka up. When The Comedian figured shit out, he ended up being flung out off tall ass residential skyscrape.
Bruce is my favorite character, but if Ra is fucking and can figure out he's The Batman, what the fuck is Bruce going to do against, "the smartest man in the world?" Veidt would see the nigga coming and body Bruce before he left the cave. Bruce doesn't have an answer for Ozymandias.
Not is Ozymandias' prep time >>>>Bruce's, it shits on it like a pamper.
Darkseid>>>Dr. Manhattan
Batman trumped Darkseid with prep time, thus Batman's prep>Ozymandias's prep time.
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DarkRaiden said:Maximus Rex;4369673 said:Ozymandias prep time hella >>>>>The Batman's. Ozymandias successfully neutralized Doctor Manhattan, (a muthfucka who transcends time and space,) and sent enough red herrings to keep Nite-Owl, Rorschach, and Laurie off his ass. Hell the nigga so up on game, he even hired a muthfucka to try and kil him, when stupid muthfucka tried he killed his. When Rorshach got too close he set the short muthafucka up. When The Comedian figured shit out, he ended up being flung out off tall ass residential skyscrape.
Bruce is my favorite character, but if Ra is fucking and can figure out he's The Batman, what the fuck is Bruce going to do against, "the smartest man in the world?" Veidt would see the nigga coming and body Bruce before he left the cave. Bruce doesn't have an answer for Ozymandias.
Not is Ozymandias' prep time >>>>Bruce's, it shits on it like a pamper.
Darkseid>>>Dr. Manhattan
Batman trumped Darkseid with prep time, thus Batman's prep>Ozymandias's prep time.
Come on my nigga. One of the underlying premises of The Watchman was Veidt's prep time. Yeah, Darkseid is a comsic power entity and he's come open up a Boom Tube anywhere, but that nigga isn't transcending time and space like Doctor Manhattan. Doctor Manhattan can be studying quantum physics with with Stephen Hawking, contemplating the hows and why's of humanity on Mars, have an orgy with six duplicates of himself with six bad bitches, and murk Darkseid all tht the same time. Darkseid with he could fuck with Doctor Manhattan. Doctor Manhattan would body Darkseid as easily as he bodied Rorschach, point and make the nigga explode. So considering Ozymandias cancelled out Doctor Manhattan, that make his prep time greater than The Batman's.
DarkRaiden;4369897 said:Maximus Rex;4369673 said:Ozymandias prep time hella >>>>>The Batman's. Ozymandias successfully neutralized Doctor Manhattan, (a muthfucka who transcends time and space,) and sent enough red herrings to keep Nite-Owl, Rorschach, and Laurie off his ass. Hell the nigga so up on game, he even hired a muthfucka to try and kil him, when stupid muthfucka tried he killed his. When Rorshach got too close he set the short muthafucka up. When The Comedian figured shit out, he ended up being flung out off tall ass residential skyscrape.
Bruce is my favorite character, but if Ra is fucking and can figure out he's The Batman, what the fuck is Bruce going to do against, "the smartest man in the world?" Veidt would see the nigga coming and body Bruce before he left the cave. Bruce doesn't have an answer for Ozymandias.
Not is Ozymandias' prep time >>>>Bruce's, it shits on it like a pamper.
Darkseid>>>Dr. Manhattan
Batman trumped Darkseid with prep time, thus Batman's prep>Ozymandias's prep time.
did he really just say darkseid can beat dr.manhattan....man what you smoking and where can i get some
the thing u bullshit critics dont realize is that batman does get beating in fair fights in his own title ...alot and how is "time to prepare" bullshit when he knows whos hes going to comfront or go up against..so he readies himself...I can easily tell most of you dont read the titles you just skim through'em
