BAD NEWS Bear fans its time to talk about the inevitable avalanche this team sucks

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A.I dont give a shit about a flopped thread + it says bear fans its only a few on here

B.I couldnt care less about lovie smith or jerry angelo

This team signed peppers and talked all this bs about the d is back,they got mike martz and said how the offense would be so dynamic

Bears are 5-3 and have not beat one legit team and struggled against the worst teams in the nfl

This team is a fraud and will be exposed thats all Im sayin.Stop being defensive
 
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Tommy Billfiger;1570120 said:
A.I dont give a shit about a flopped thread + it says bear fans its only a few on here

B.I couldnt care less about lovie smith or jerry angelo

This team signed peppers and talked all this bs about the d is back,they got mike martz and said how the offense would be so dynamic

Bears are 5-3 and have not beat one legit team and struggled against the worst teams in the nfl

This team is a fraud and will be exposed thats all Im sayin.Stop being defensive

They beat the Packers.

Lovie Smith in 2012
 
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Nah the packers beat themselves .Bears won the game but it was obvious why

Thats they only legit W and the packers shot themselves in the foot several times,mismanaged the clock they fucked up that game a lot
 
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Tommy Billfiger;1570172 said:
Nah the packers beat themselves .Bears won the game but it was obvious why

Thats they only legit W and the packers shot themselves in the foot several times,mismanaged the clock they fucked up that game a lot

A win is a win no matter how you get it
 
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Man I want to see the Bears go to the Playoffs but I can't stand Lovie or Angelo anymore. His drafts have been terrible. How you gonna have a Probowl caliber QB but don't give him Recievers or a Oline. The cover 2 is not what it has been since Lovie got rid of Ron Riveria because Lovie saw him as a threat to getting replace by him. Bottomline the Bears need change. Martz don't believe in running with his 5 and 7 drops getting Cutler killed almost every week. I'm tired of the bullshit Moss was with Cutler needed but once again the Bears whiff on a opportunities.
 
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WhoisDonG???;1570641 said:
Man I want to see the Bears go to the Playoffs but I can't stand Lovie or Angelo anymore. His drafts have been terrible. How you gonna have a Probowl caliber QB but don't give him Recievers or a Oline. The cover 2 is not what it has been since Lovie got rid of Ron Riveria because Lovie saw him as a threat to getting replace by him. Bottomline the Bears need change. Martz don't believe in running with his 5 and 7 drops getting Cutler killed almost every week. I'm tired of the bullshit Moss was with Cutler needed but once again the Bears whiff on a opportunities.

What's with people in this city and the fascination with Ron Rivera and the 85 Bears?

People kill me with the "Singletary, Rivera, Frazier, should be coaches on the Bears beacuse they were on a Super Bowl winning team talk."

They won 1 Super Bowl. That's it. They were the dominant team for that year. Other than that, the 80's were ran by the 49ers, Redskins, and Raiders.

If any ex-players or coach deserve to brag about a dynasty its Jordan, Pippen and Phil Jackson (6 rings in Chicago). Other than that, there were no teams in Chicago consistently winning shit.

Look at it like this: Chico was the D-coordinator from 2004-2007 when the players on D were in their prime. Tommie Harris, Briggs, Urlacher, Mike Brown, etc. He's a good coach in all, but to act like he should have had Lovie's job, please.

If he was that damn good, he would have had a head coaching job back in 2005 when he was the "it" coordinator of the moment.

Lovie Smith in 2012.
 
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seriously though in case anyone is interested if you want to know how a real Bears fan feels and how the local media talks about this team - from old time life long fans who never want to see them lose.. listen to the first hour of the Doug and OB post game show after we barely beat the worst team in the NFL last Sunday. just listen until it gets to the first call and listen to the first caller that guy spits pure venomous ether towards Lovie, Jerry and Ted straight from the heart it's brilliant. real fans feel this way there are no illusions about this season.. chicago.cbslocal.com/show/doug-and-ob-post-game
 
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Tommy Billfiger;1570172 said:
Nah the packers beat themselves .Bears won the game but it was obvious why

Thats they only legit W and the packers shot themselves in the foot several times,mismanaged the clock they fucked up that game a lot

the ''Packers beat themselves'' argument is still bullshit. the penalties were legit because Packers were losing the one to one match-ups, our D and especially Peppers had the O-line shook up.

but whatever - Bears should have won the Redskins game but Lovie fucked up the challenge did you forget about that? Cutler broke the plane of the end zone with the ball before he fumbled it and it should have been a TD - it's obvious on tape but Lovie chose to turn over the ball on the 1 instead of challenging for a TD - the players won but the coach lost. Bears should have won the Seattle game too by your logic because the Bears beat themselves with dumb mistakes. so you can have the Detroit and Packers game back if we pretend the Bears won against the Redskins and Seahawks, it's only fair.. the teams real record is still 5 legitimate wins.
 
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IC's Patrick Bateman;1575808 said:
seriously though in case anyone is interested if you want to know how a real Bears fan feels and how the local media talks about this team - from old time life long fans who never want to see them lose.. listen to the first hour of the Doug and OB post game show after we barely beat the worst team in the NFL last Sunday. just listen until it gets to the first call and listen to the first caller that guy spits pure venomous ether towards Lovie, Jerry and Ted straight from the heart it's brilliant. real fans feel this way there are no illusions about this season.. chicago.cbslocal.com/show/doug-and-ob-post-game

Real fans???

They don't speak for me.
 
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The 3-5 Cleveland Browns beat the 6-2 Patriots and 6-3 Saints so does that make the Browns Superbowl contenders and the Saints and Pats garbage??? FOH with this thread.
 
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Tommy Billfiger;1570120 said:
A.I dont give a shit about a flopped thread + it says bear fans its only a few on here

B.I couldnt care less about lovie smith or jerry angelo

This team signed peppers and talked all this bs about the d is back,they got mike martz and said how the offense would be so dynamic

Bears are 5-3 and have not beat one legit team and struggled against the worst teams in the nfl

This team is a fraud and will be exposed thats all Im sayin.Stop being defensive

When the Bears beat Dallas it was the 2nd game of the season and Dallas only lost by a TD so Dallas wasn't struggling (yet) and GB didn't beat themselves they had a gang of turnovers and the Bears took advantage of them and thats what ANY nfl team should do.

2 out of the 3 games the Bears lost were by a FG and that was with Cutler throwing 4 int's against the Redskins! According to the critics before the season started the Bears were supposed to be 2-6 around this time but they are 5-3, they are not the most dominate 5-3 team but they have a winning recordl
 
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cobbland;1570782 said:
What's with people in this city and the fascination with Ron Rivera and the 85 Bears?

People kill me with the "Singletary, Rivera, Frazier, should be coaches on the Bears beacuse they were on a Super Bowl winning team talk."

They won 1 Super Bowl. That's it. They were the dominant team for that year. Other than that, the 80's were ran by the 49ers, Redskins, and Raiders.

If any ex-players or coach deserve to brag about a dynasty its Jordan, Pippen and Phil Jackson (6 rings in Chicago). Other than that, there were no teams in Chicago consistently winning shit.

Look at it like this: Chico was the D-coordinator from 2004-2007 when the players on D were in their prime. Tommie Harris, Briggs, Urlacher, Mike Brown, etc. He's a good coach in all, but to act like he should have had Lovie's job, please.

If he was that damn good, he would have had a head coaching job back in 2005 when he was the "it" coordinator of the moment.

Lovie Smith in 2012.

Bro Lovie was threaten by Riveria realtalk. Why the next year he put his buddy and Puppet Bob Babich as the D Coordinator and he was terrible. Thats why Lovie took over play calling midway through the season. Then he brings another buddy and Puppet Marneli this year. Riveria brought more pressure when he was D-Coordinator and was way more agressive.

I'm not even going to talk about the Grossman/Griese/ and Orton debacle. Lets keep it real it's time for change.
 
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WhoisDonG???;1576794 said:
Bro Lovie was threaten by Riveria realtalk. Why the next year he put his buddy and Puppet Bob Babich as the D Coordinator and he was terrible. Thats why Lovie took over play calling midway through the season. Then he brings another buddy and Puppet Marneli this year. Riveria brought more pressure when he was D-Coordinator and was way more agressive.

I'm not even going to talk about the Grossman/Griese/ and Orton debacle. Lets keep it real it's time for change.

Babich was D-coordinator for 2 years.

Riveria was running a defense Lovie installed.

Rivera is successful in San Diego now, good for him.

But for people in Chicago to act like he was the the man running the show, bullshit.

Look at the number of injuries the players had under Rivera, and then look at the injuries they had under Babich. Injuries decimated the defense in 2007-2009.

If the Bears upper management thought so highly of Rivera, why didn't they hire him as head coach in 2004?

Lovie didn't see him as a threat.

Not buying it.
 
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cobbland;1576305 said:
Real fans???

They don't speak for me.

so how did you feel when Lovie blew the challange against the Redskins and lost the game for the Bears? you didn't feel then that we could use a better coach?
 
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IC's Patrick Bateman;1579170 said:
so how did you feel when Lovie blew the challange against the Redskins and lost the game for the Bears? you didn't feel then that we could use a better coach?

1) He just challenged Earl Bennet's play. From Lovie's position it looked like he (Bennet) scored. The challenge was overturned.

2) On the QB sneak, he may have been hesitant to challenge, but there was NO Guarantee the refs would have reversed the call.

Regardless of the non-challenge, the team was still in position to win, on multiple occasions.

3) I cheer for Lovie because its poetic justice for a black man to be head coach of the Bears, considering "Papa Bear George Halas" was instrumental in keeping blacks out of the NFL (from 1933 to1946) up until the league was "re-integrated" again post World War 2.
 
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cobbland;1580834 said:
3) I cheer for Lovie because its poetic justice for a black man to be head coach of the Bears, considering "Papa Bear George Halas" was instrumental in keeping blacks out of the NFL (from 1933 to1946) up until the league was "re-integrated" again post World War 2.

link or source? i'm greatly interested in this as i've never heard such a claim.
 
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IC's Patrick Bateman;1580892 said:
link or source? i'm greatly interested in this as i've never heard such a claim.

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/general/african-americans.aspx

http://www.examiner.com/washington-...segregation-and-reintegration-of-pro-football

Joe Lillard was the second Black star to make an impact on professional football. The Chicago Cardinals signed him in 1932 and he was the only African American in the league. Lillard’s talent was undeniable. He was a star running back at The University of Oregon but was declared ineligible to play varsity athletics because he played semi-pro baseball. Despite his talent, Lillard suffered from an attitude problem. Lillard’s relationship with his coach and his teammates was contentious at best. Lillard displayed a “prideful attitude” alongside a “lackluster effort.” Cardinals coach Jack Chevigny complained that Lillard was often late for or missed practices entirely. His teammates resented Lillard’s swaggering attitude, which bordered on selfishness and wished that he would be more of a team player. Unlike Follis and Pollard, Lillard did not adhere to their non-hostile reaction to racial abuse on the football field. He had a volatile temper and was quick to retaliate to any harassment. Pride often got the best of Lillard, in 1933 during a game with the Pirates he was ejected for fighting. African-American media, Al Monroe of the Chicago Defender in particular, urged Lillard to “play upon the vanity of whites.” Monroe aptly observed that Lillard, the only Black player in the NFL in 1932, was the, “lone link in a place we are holding on to by a very weak string.” Lillard’s career ended after the 1933 season. No African-Americans would play professional football again until 1946.

Aside: I mention Paul Robeson only briefly as his accomplishments as an athlete, singer, and social crusader are well known. However, one thing about Robeson needs to be mentioned: he was an ardent Stalinist and cheerleader for the Soviet Union. While fighting for civil rights for African-Americans at home, he stood silent on the worst deprivations of the Soviet Union, in particular Soviet anti-Semitism and crusade against the civil rights of Stalin’s enemies abroad. A Hero to some Robeson may be, but his career as an apologist for a man responsible for more murders than Hitler cannot be overlooked.

Although many Blacks would star as college football players in the 12 years between 1934 and 1946, no NFL teams would draft or sign them. After the 1933 season the NFL owners instituted an agreement to exclude African-Americans from playing professional football. There were many reasons African-Americans were allowed to play professional football in its infancy. One is that in the early twentieth century professional football was a fledgling enterprise. Compared to Major League Baseball, boxing, and even college football, professional football did not enjoy wide spread popularity or significant fan support. Team owners used Black players and the amazing play they exhibited as drawing cards to bring in fans and generate popularity. Second, early professional football was an unorganized loose association of teams. No uniform set of rules for play existed. Teams played by different sets of rules from game to game, players jumped from team to team seeking the highest compensation, routinely teams would disagree on the matter of which one of them won a game, and—like many sports in the early twentieth century—ubiquitous gambling scandals. Even after the NFL officially organized in the showroom of a Canton auto dealership in 1920, the new league still suffered from the same problems.

In 1925 however, NFL owners got what they desperately needed in the form of Red Grange “The Galloping Ghost.” Grange was a national college football star from the University of Illinois. More importantly for the NFL owners he was the White superstar they needed to attract fans. Legendary sportswriter Grantland Rice called Grange, "three or four men and a horse rolled into one for football purposes." Grange put professional football on the map, with baseball and boxing in America. With Grange on their roster the Chicago Bears became the kings of professional football. The popularity and appeal of professional football soared because of Red Grange. The Great Depression had an impact as well. Like all aspects of American life the Great Depression hit the NFL very hard. The league contracted from twelve to eight teams in 1932. With so many Whites out of work and given the prevalent racial attitudes of the 1930s, it was bad business during the depression to pay Black players handsome salaries while White men could not find work. Thirteen Black players played in the NFL from 1920 to 1933. After 1925 only eight African-Americans held roster spots on professional football teams. In 1934 African-Americans disappeared completely from the rosters of NFL teams until the coming of Woody Strode and Kenny Washington to the Los Angles Rams, and Bill Willis and Marion Motley with the Cleveland Browns.

[size=+3]NFL owners all publicly denied any ban official or otherwise. Pittsburgh Steelers owner Art Rooney said, “For myself and for most of the owners I can say there was never any racial bias.” Chicago Bears owner George Halas denied the existence of any ban as well and lamely attributed the ban to the fact that there weren’t any talented Black football players to draft from the college ranks, even though there were many. Halas lamely added that the professional game did not appeal to Blacks. The statement of Los Angeles Rams owner Tex Schramm is telling though, “You just didn’t do it—it was just something that wasn’t done.” Schramm’s statement is proof enough of an unwritten “gentleman’s agreement” to ban African-Americans. If the sentiment was so strong; why would the owners need to make it official by putting the ban in writing? The fact that no African-Americans—despite a glut of talent—played in the NFL for 12 years is proof enough of a ban.[/size]

Furthermore, it was George Preston Marshall, who handled the reorganization of the NFL in 1934, only two years after he established the first franchise south of the Mason-Dixon Line—marketed to White southerners. Marshall was a southern-born racist and he clearly did not want African-Americans on his team. It was under Marshall’s stewardship, entrepreneurial acumen and flair for showmanship that the NFL began to prosper and create profits for the owners. With this newfound power among the owners it was probably very easy for Marshall to influence the other league owners to quietly institute and go along with a silent but all too clear policy of excluding African Americans from playing professional football.

World War II, Reintegration, Television, and the Rise of the NFL

Fighting Nazism in Europe with Jim Crow racism at home served as historian William Chafe noted “a crucial catalyst aiding Black Americans in their long struggle for freedom.” Indeed, African-Americans pushed the federal government to enforce anti-lynching laws and prompted the Roosevelt administration to create the President’s Committee on Fair Employment Practices (FEPC). The nascent movement for equality during and after World War II would eventually blossom into the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s. African-Americans had fought for their country abroad and now they were fighting for equality at home. African-Americans fought for equal rights in the workplace, the armed forces, and schools. They did so as well in the realm of professional sports.
 
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that statement shows he was complacent, no different than how every other owner probably was, but i don't see how you can take away that he was 'instrumental' in the ban from that article. things were a lot different back then, not easy for us to look back and judge nowadays when such racism was the norm you can never tell how people really thought in their minds that was just how society was back then - great stuff though, really interesting - thanks for posting.

btw if it was really fact that he was racist like that and instrumental in the ban then i highly doubt players - especially black players - would be comfortable wearing the GSH initials on the jerseys. there'd be some controversy or discussion about this somewhere you know?
 
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