ayo real talk if i wasnt black there's no way i wouldnt think blacks were savages...

[The Prodigalson]

Too many paragraphs in this bitch I'm out yo.

 

[lordhonka2]

Either I'm not making myself clear or you people lack reading comprehension. I'm not saying I believe most blacks are savage or that blacks are more savage than other races. I'm saying that I can see how people who may have limited exposure to blacks and are looking from the outside in may get that perception due to things they observe.

I really wish some of you would get off that "I don't judge a group by the actions of a few" bullshit. Yes you do. Everyone does. As with anything there are extreme cases. No I'm not saying that it's reasonable to think that every black person on earth is an animal because you saw one black person acting up. But if every news report you see has a story about some black criminal, every black showcasing you've ever seen has blacks promoting a criminalistic or negative image, and the few experiences you've had with blacks were unpleasant, you're not going to have the highest opinion of blacks. That's just a fact. You can replace blacks in those points with jews, hispanics, gays, whatever, it doesn't matter. The point is the only things we have to go on in our lives is what we observe and what we hear from others. If you're getting negativity from both of those and don't really have anything positive to offset it, right or wrong, you're going to believe based on that. And that's not bad. I'm sure there are some crackheads out there that don't have a propensity to steal. But I've seen enough that do and heard enough stories about them doing it for me to know that when I'm around one, I should be wary of that.

Black people are so funny sometimes. Not too long ago on here there was a thread about people being afraid when they see a group of black guys. Half the posts in there were dudes saying they liked it like that and promoted that. So we know dudes are walking around trying to be imposing and make it seem like blacks are an omnipresent threat, but then we're going to come into this thread and act like it's unfair that people see blacks as a threat. That makes no sense.

so cause a few people want to be an "omipresent threat" we all are. you cant judge all of us by the actions of a few. its wrong no matter how you cut it. You trying to have it both ways i understand that they see us in a negative light cause thats all they get." that dosent make it right. I like your crackhead analogy but the question would be why you hanging with crack heads. You should expect to get robbed int the hood true. thats not a propensity for violenc that been around ignorant poor folks.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

so cause a few people want to be an "omipresent threat" we all are. you cant judge all of us by the actions of a few. its wrong no matter how you cut it. You trying to have it both ways i understand that they see us in a negative light cause thats all they get." that dosent make it right. I like your crackhead analogy but the question would be why you hanging with crack heads. You should expect to get robbed int the hood true. thats not a propensity for violenc that been around ignorant poor folks.

Again, this "you can't judge all of us by the actions of a few" thing is silly. Of course you're absolutely right, that 1 bad apple doesn't ruin the bunch. However, if the bad apples are the ones that make themselves most noticeable and are more easily seen and leave the most lasting impressions then they are the ones that are going to dictate perception of the group.

I'm not talking about what's right or wrong. I'm talking about what's reasonable and unreasonable. If you have a limited set of experiences with a group and all of those experiences are bad, it's perfectly reasonable to have a negative opinion of that group until you have evidence to counteract that. Now I'm not saying it's cool for white people to be walking around calling every black person "Nigger" and preaching hate because they got robbed by a black guy once. I'm saying that it's not surprising that many want to keep their distance and don't trust blacks if almost every black they have encountered has been rude, imposing, or shady.

And again, black people do this exact same thing all the time. Should we go through this forum and count up all the times that someone black has indicted whites as a race because of Zimmerman or some rogue cop or some other random white person that pissed them off? The shit is a human reaction not a racial one.

 

[lordhonka2]

so cause a few people want to be an "omipresent threat" we all are. you cant judge all of us by the actions of a few. its wrong no matter how you cut it. You trying to have it both ways i understand that they see us in a negative light cause thats all they get." that dosent make it right. I like your crackhead analogy but the question would be why you hanging with crack heads. You should expect to get robbed int the hood true. thats not a propensity for violenc that been around ignorant poor folks.

Again, this "you can't judge all of us by the actions of a few" thing is silly. Of course you're absolutely right, that 1 bad apple doesn't ruin the bunch. However, if the bad apples are the ones that make themselves most noticeable and are more easily seen and leave the most lasting impressions then they are the ones that are going to dictate perception of the group.

I'm not talking about what's right or wrong. I'm talking about what's reasonable and unreasonable. If you have a limited set of experiences with a group and all of those experiences are bad, it's perfectly reasonable to have a negative opinion of that group until you have evidence to counteract that. Now I'm not saying it's cool for white people to be walking around calling every black person "Nigger" and preaching hate because they got robbed by a black guy once. I'm saying that it's not surprising that many want to keep their distance and don't trust blacks if almost every black they have encountered has been rude, imposing, or shady.

And again, black people do this exact same thing all the time. Should we go through this forum and count up all the times that someone black has indicted whites as a race because of Zimmerman or some rogue cop or some other random white person that pissed them off? The shit is a human reaction not a racial one.

the bolded: that means you got a bad bunch of apple not that all apples are bad.

if we said most hood niggas is ignorant and violent and involved in crime i would say you prolly right. but i wouldnt apply that to all black folks.

and that seem to be what you are advocating if its not it seems tha way

 

[desertrain10]

smdh @ this thread though... there are ignorant people of all races... black do not have a monopoly on ignorance.... and for anyone only using limited personal observations or what they see on the internet or tv to make generalizations about an entire population of people is ignorant

the media, hollywood have been known to perpetuate stereotypes ...and have been demonizing the poor and black communities for years.... yet rarely do they ever address or do people ever question the conditions that foster the negative behaviors more so associated w/ these communities like the governmental policies and corporate decisions that have exacerbated the massive unemployment for blacks, their parents, and relatives ... inept public school system... constant police harassment and violence against their peers, coupled with limited police efficacy against and in some cases complicity with the drug trade... routine arrests for "suspicious" behavior ...appalling housing or none at all... limited access to legal or political redress... dehumanizing state aid bureaucracies ...and the economic shifts that have transformed the already bleak labor landscape in black urban communities into tenuous, low-pay service jobs...

could it be that these very media organizations are owned by the very corporations who exploit the poor and disenfranchised?....

imagine how if these social policies that support the interests of the wealthy at the cruel expense of everyone else especially the poor were labeled acts of social violence? ... or what if the media emphasize the positive aspects of groups that contradict prevalent stereotypes...

 

[The Lonious Monk]

the bolded: that means you got a bad bunch of apple not that all apples are bad.

if we said most hood niggas is ignorant and violent and involved in crime i would say you prolly right. but i wouldnt apply that to all black folks.

and that seem to be what you are advocating if its not it seems tha way

First, I'm not advocating anything. Nowhere in any of my posts did I say people should go damning whole groups for the actions of a few. What I've said is that it's understandable that some people hold reservations when dealing with certain groups because of their limited experiences with members of that group.

Hell, most hardcore racists don't believe all blacks are bad. If you've ever heard interviews with some of the leaders of prominent hate groups, almost all of them will acknowledge that their are good members of the races they hate. The problem is not that they think all blacks are bad. The problem is they think that their net interaction with blacks as a group will be negative because there are more bad than good. Can you really blame them if that's what their experiences have led them to believe. Sure you can say they are wrong based on your experience, but they can't live based on your experience.

 

[2nd chances]

Coons are the real problem in the black community.

you know whats worse for the black community?? excuse makers...whenever ignorant behavior is called out there are ppl coming out the wood work with "oh dont say that...it hurts our feelings..we are the way we are because of what THEY did"..the ignorant amongst us latch on to that and justify their behavior...

but then we act surprised when we get judged based on their very loud fkking behavior...

so far from coons being bad for the community...folks who dismiss and make excuses for said behavior are waaaaaay worse..fact bro..fact..

 

[High Revolutionary]

t/s mighta been trolling a little bit, but this was somewhat my general argument with my trayvon martin thread.

No one denies rascism, eurocentricity, prejudice or a white power structure.

At what point, however, DO WE as a people check ourselves? This is the central divide between those who actually want to solve the problems in the Black community.

But this is thing about insisting on putting all the blame on "white" society: your also putting all of the responsibility on larger society. Let me ask you something: when the fuck has a larger society ever fully admitted that they are oppressing a people and once admitted it, moved forward to fully repay and help the oppressed out? Yeah, exactly. We're putting the responsibility for change on a society that doesn't even see a fucking problem.

Black people have no where to go. Even if we did, far too many of us lack skills to be sufficient (no one race/ethnicity can for that matter). We're stuck here and lack any power to change things. So how do you win? Play the game. No one is asking you to forget who you are. Look at the Jews. They weren't and aren't to this day universally liked. Yet, they moved into the upper echelon by making the correct moves, all the while preserving their cultural identity and history of struggle. And the Chinese, Arabs, Messicans, Africans, and Red dots are and have been following suit.

Yeah racism sucks. Yeah the circumstances/struggle of Blacks is almost non-comparable to any other ethnic group.

What that has to do with Jaquan not knowing his times tables and being suspended 5 times in a year is beyond me.

The first thing people have to understand is that the US government have never and still does not have black people's best interests in mind. We lost control of our communities when we started allowing more and more government intervention to fix our problems. The bigger the government gets the worse it gets for everybody, not only black people.

And the Arab, Asian, Mexican, etc. were able to rise up because they unified. We have to many coons in our community to unify.

Also we paid the dues FOR those groups to get to where they are. They reaped the benefits of all our hard work without getting their hands dirty at all.

 

[lordhonka2]

the bolded: that means you got a bad bunch of apple not that all apples are bad.

if we said most hood niggas is ignorant and violent and involved in crime i would say you prolly right. but i wouldnt apply that to all black folks.

and that seem to be what you are advocating if its not it seems tha way

First, I'm not advocating anything. Nowhere in any of my posts did I say people should go damning whole groups for the actions of a few. What I've said is that it's understandable that some people hold reservations when dealing with certain groups because of their limited experiences with members of that group.

Hell, most hardcore racists don't believe all blacks are bad. If you've ever heard interviews with some of the leaders of prominent hate groups, almost all of them will acknowledge that their are good members of the races they hate. The problem is not that they think all blacks are bad. The problem is they think that their net interaction with blacks as a group will be negative because there are more bad than good. Can you really blame them if that's what their experiences have led them to believe. Sure you can say they are wrong based on your experience, but they can't live based on your experience.

hardcore racist that are cool with some blacks are arent hardcore racist. Im not saying that they are wrong based on my experience im saying that they are completly wrong for hating a whole group of people based on the actions or encounters of a few its racist.

 

[desertrain10]

so cause a few people want to be an "omipresent threat" we all are. you cant judge all of us by the actions of a few. its wrong no matter how you cut it. You trying to have it both ways i understand that they see us in a negative light cause thats all they get." that dosent make it right. I like your crackhead analogy but the question would be why you hanging with crack heads. You should expect to get robbed int the hood true. thats not a propensity for violenc that been around ignorant poor folks.

Again, this "you can't judge all of us by the actions of a few" thing is silly. Of course you're absolutely right, that 1 bad apple doesn't ruin the bunch. However, if the bad apples are the ones that make themselves most noticeable and are more easily seen and leave the most lasting impressions then they are the ones that are going to dictate perception of the group.

I'm not talking about what's right or wrong. I'm talking about what's reasonable and unreasonable. If you have a limited set of experiences with a group and all of those experiences are bad, it's perfectly reasonable to have a negative opinion of that group until you have evidence to counteract that. Now I'm not saying it's cool for white people to be walking around calling every black person "Nigger" and preaching hate because they got robbed by a black guy once. I'm saying that it's not surprising that many want to keep their distance and don't trust blacks if almost every black they have encountered has been rude, imposing, or shady.

And again, black people do this exact same thing all the time. Should we go through this forum and count up all the times that someone black has indicted whites as a race because of Zimmerman or some rogue cop or some other random white person that pissed them off? The shit is a human reaction not a racial one.

lets consider the definition of reasonable...

rea·son·a·ble/ˈrēz(ə)nəbəl/

Adjective:

(of a person) Having sound judgment; fair and sensible.

Based on good sense: "a reasonable request".

how is it fair to me for anyone to come to the conclusion that i'm most likely a savage because of the color of my skin? ...because they have had bad experiences w/ other black people or see evil blk people on tv

don't get me wrong ..i get it, its human nature to stereotype, but its something we must rebut instead of something we should empathize with ... especially considering what happened to trayvon martin and others alike

 

[lordhonka2]

Coons are the real problem in the black community.

you know whats worse for the black community?? excuse makers...whenever ignorant behavior is called out there are ppl coming out the wood work with "oh dont say that...it hurts our feelings..we are the way we are because of what THEY did"..the ignorant amongst us latch on to that and justify their behavior...

but then we act surprised when we get judged based on their very loud fkking behavior...

so far from coons being bad for the community...folks who dismiss and make excuses for said behavior are waaaaaay worse..fact bro..fact..

i agree that coon are worse they allow the image of our ignorant few to be brodcast to the world under the guise expose "our problem" all progress made is destroyed by coons.

 

[desertrain10]

Coons are the real problem in the black community.

you know whats worse for the black community?? excuse makers...whenever ignorant behavior is called out there are ppl coming out the wood work with "oh dont say that...it hurts our feelings..we are the way we are because of what THEY did"..the ignorant amongst us latch on to that and justify their behavior...

but then we act surprised when we get judged based on their very loud fkking behavior...

so far from coons being bad for the community...folks who dismiss and make excuses for said behavior are waaaaaay worse..fact bro..fact..

belittling someone or regurgitating tired platitudes you heard from bill cosby is not constructive criticism... its counterproductive

and addressing the conditions that foster the behavior is not making excuses... its about trying to find solutions

 

[GodSpeed215]

Old short-sighted motherfuckas judging a race of people by the actions of a few.

Get out more nigga.

Some of you don't seem to understand that there really aren't that many black people in this country. We're less than 13% of the population. Yeah, as black people we all know a lot and have a fair sampling to make a statement about. So it's easy for us determine that not all blacks are bad. However, if you're of another group and don't purposely congregate with blacks, you're not going to necessarily have that same insight.

And it kills me how people on this site whine about blacks being judged by the actions of a few as if ya'll don't do the same thing to everyone else. If one white or hispanic or asian says something racist or hateful towards blacks then they all hate us. That's par for the course on this forum, but that's ok?

Church, you going in on this thread my dude.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

lets consider the definition of reasonable...

rea·son·a·ble/ˈrēz(ə)nəbəl/

Adjective:

(of a person) Having sound judgment; fair and sensible.

Based on good sense: "a reasonable request".

how is it fair to me for anyone to come to the conclusion that i'm most likely a savage because of the color of my skin? ...because they have had bad experiences w/ other black people

don't get me wrong ..i get it, its human nature to stereotype, but its something we must rebut instead of something we should empathize with ... especially considering what happened to trayvon martin and others alike

Nowhere did I say it's ok for people to label you a savage because of your skin color. I said it's reasonable for people to act based on their experiences because it's all they have. There is nothing wrong with a white person who has only had bad experiences with black people to be a little wary of you upon your first meeting. Now if you've shown yourself to be a reasonable human being and they still treat you like that, it's a problem.

I understand what you're saying, and you're right that fighting such generalizations would prevent tragedies like what happened with Trayvon. However, you also have to acknowledge that stereotypes are often used as a defense mechanism and it's hard to snap someone out of that when it has improved their situation. For instance, if a white person grows up in a black area spent a life of being tormented, that white person may develop a certain feeling about black people. Now if that white person moves away from the black people and his/her life gets better, that's going to further support that negative opinion. Sure you could try to hit them with logic and lead them away from their beliefs, but it's going to be real hard for your words to have an impact when his/her sum life experience tells a different story.

 

[Dupac]

lazy thinking....

i expressed my disgust with it a while back......

this is the same thing.. ...people are far too quick to pass a generalized belief based on small samples...

i mean i get the association... but it's lazy....and ignorant,...and closed minded.....

if they're okay with accepting that about themselves.. then that's cool......just own up to it

 

[2nd chances]

lazy thinking....

i expressed my disgust with it a while back......

this is the same thing.. ...people are far too quick to pass a generalized belief based on small samples...

i mean i get the association... but it's lazy....and ignorant,...and closed minded.....

if they're okay with accepting that about themselves.. then that's cool......just own up to it

i live in the black community...i see the ignorance everyday...im not talking about small samples...

i've lived in various black communities..from the middle class neighborhoods in jersey to now the ignorant capital of the world baltimore..

niggas are ignorant.............and its a VERY LARGE POOL of niggas...often it outnumbers the regular folks..

not just the poor either...you see these middle class black kids embracing the culture of violence and destructive behaviors..then you look at their non black peers..same environment , same schools..parents making same amount of money and you realize they're not like them...

this doesnt stop until we realize there's a problem..saying oh there's not a problem here..jsut a few bad apples..doesnt help..dont care what yall say...

and this talk of media this media that..plz stop the bullshit..niggas do dumb shit and now are even dumb enough to record themselves doing it..put it on the net and let the media get a hold of it..not some invisible guy..

 

[KingJamal]

How do we know 2nd chances is even black

 

[lordhonka2]

i dont know his race but i know he aint shit

 

[desertrain10]

Nowhere did I say it's ok for people to label you a savage because of your skin color. I said it's reasonable for people to act based on their experiences because it's all they have. There is nothing wrong with a white person who has only had bad experiences with black people to be a little wary of you upon your first meeting. Now if you've shown yourself to be a reasonable human being and they still treat you like that, it's a problem.

I understand what you're saying, and you're right that fighting such generalizations would prevent tragedies like what happened with Trayvon. However, you also have to acknowledge that stereotypes are often used as a defense mechanism and it's hard to snap someone out of that when it has improved their situation. For instance, if a white person grows up in a black area spent a life of being tormented, that white person may develop a certain feeling about black people. Now if that white person moves away from the black people and his/her life gets better, that's going to further support that negative opinion. Sure you could try to hit them with logic and lead them away from their beliefs, but it's going to be real hard for your words to have an impact when his/her sum life experience tells a different story.

never said you said its ok. but you do think its reasonable, right? lol ...so in other words you are saying it is fair for someone to think i was something i wasn't based solely on interactions they have had w/ people of the same race....

again the definition of reasonable...

rea·son·a·ble/ˈrēz(ə)nəbəl/

Adjective:

(of a person) Having sound judgment; fair and sensible.

Based on good sense: "a reasonable request".

at the end of the day the people allow their prejudices or stereotypes to dictate their decisions and actions without using any sort of discretion are the ignorant ones... agree?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

never said you said its ok. but you do think its reasonable, right? lol ...so in other words you are saying it is fair for someone to think i was something i wasn't based solely on interactions they have had w/ people of the same race....

again the definition of reasonable...

rea·son·a·ble/ˈrēz(ə)nəbəl/

Adjective:

(of a person) Having sound judgment; fair and sensible.

Based on good sense: "a reasonable request".

at the end of the day the people allow their prejudices or stereotypes to dictate their decisions and actions without using any sort of discretion are the ignorant ones... agree?

Yeah, I can agree with that. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge and all I've been saying is that these people act based on their ignorance the best way they know how. It might not be right, but it is what it is.