At what point is it ok for countries to get into other country's bussiness?

[DarcSkies777]

Be specific, how exactly did we poke our nose in other people's bussiness in a way that made us DESERVE 911? How is our country not in danger when there are attempted terrorist attacks all the time? and 911...

I dont recall using the word DESERVE. Innocent people dont DESERVE to die because of their government's actions. But it is a consequence.

And our country is only in danger because of our government's actions. Our presence in the Middle East (what they consider Holy Land) our displacing their leaders (Saddam Hussien, Afghanistan (placing a puppet as president who in turn has his own puppets), etc) Our defense of Israel despite their countless hypocritical acts of violence against Muslims.

All this is nothing more than recruiting tools for radical Muslims and even moderate Muslims who weren't militant at all until we brought war to their country or Israel bombs the shit out of their apartment complexes and kills their family members and America blocks all condemnation of Israel.

COmpared to what we & the Israelis have done to Muslims across the globe 9-11 was a day at the park. If we'd just mind our business we'd be much better off.

 

[shootemwon]

It really dose happen massively today though you didnt know? Im not saying all Mulsims are bad, But there are a good 4 or 5 countries with Islam as the dominent religion, where it is the norm of their society for women to have no rights, they are the husband's slave. The husband often buys them at a young age. Rape is legal within marriage. And yes they really are often forced to marry at around 14 sometimes younger. Mutilation is the norm. Gays are murdered immediately, enslaved or tortured. The only reason i mention the religion, is because that is why they believe these things are ok, they are taught it religiously. everything i said in the first post. Seriously that is how it is right now in those countries. Are you denying that this is true? Ya there might be some Christians down south who arent very welcoming......... oh no, compare that to the horrible things i just mentioned.

What's your solution? Impose American-run authoritarian regimes in these countries and force them to embrace our cultural values? People say we need to spread Democracy to these places to liberate the people, but the people in these countries would democratically elect another oppressive theocratic government.

 

[DarcSkies777]

All of you reap the benefits of this country as you criticize the government that pays you money for sitting on your ass.

And what makes you think he makes money sitting on his ass?

Gee, wonder what it could be Evan.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

It really dose happen massively today though you didnt know? Im not saying all Mulsims are bad, But there are a good 4 or 5 countries with Islam as the dominent religion, where it is the norm of their society for women to have no rights, they are the husband's slave. The husband often buys them at a young age. Rape is legal within marriage. And yes they really are often forced to marry at around 14 sometimes younger. Mutilation is the norm. Gays are murdered immediately, enslaved or tortured. The only reason i mention the religion, is because that is why they believe these things are ok, they are taught it religiously. everything i said in the first post. Seriously that is how it is right now in those countries. Are you denying that this is true? Ya there might be some Christians down south who arent very welcoming......... oh no, compare that to the horrible things i just mentioned.

No it doesnt, I spend alot of time overseas, I've been to alot of Muslim countries. Your are taking the bs that your fed back home from people like fox news and Fred from the bar and applying them to reality when its not the case. I agree with the women thing, how they are treated over there is bullshit and it needs to change. And yes you are allowed to marry a female at a young age, but Islam isnt the only religion to do that. Christianity has its own branches that practice the same thing and incest. Go back 500 years and regulaur christians also had 12 year old wives. Is it wrong, definently, but its not just them. Mutilation is not the norm, extremist cut heads off, not Muslims. Look at the bible, look back at time, its not only muslims cutting off limbs in the name of a god. You are so wrong about how it is in those countries it aint even funny. I dont follow the Quran because i think its bullshit and has ideals I wont conform to, same with the bible, same with the Kabbala and so on. Stop generalizing or go to stromfront or some other racist forum where ignorance is widely accepted.

 

[EvanR12]

What's your solution? Impose American-run authoritarian regimes in these countries and force them to embrace our cultural values? People say we need to spread Democracy to these places to liberate the people, but the people in these countries would democratically elect another oppressive theocratic government.

No thats the problem i just know that messed up shit is going on and there is no way to fix it. Because "forcing someone to embrace your cultural values" seems bad. But it kind of became our bussiness when so many of our people were slaughtered by terrorists that are throughout all of those countries. And the arguements i have heard as of why 911 happened are mostly speculation and dont seem to hold water. And alot of people dont know how bad it is over there so i just wanted to inform. We basically just want no one to be hurt and everyone to have equal rights, and they basically want the most vicious norms of society, and also to destroy our country.

 

[shootemwon]

No thats the problem i just know that messed up shit is going on and there is no way to fix it. Because "forcing someone to embrace your cultural values" seems bad. But it kind of became our bussiness when so many of our people were slaughtered by terrorists that are throughout all of those countries. And the arguements i have heard as of why 911 happened are mostly speculation and dont seem to hold water. And alot of people dont know how bad it is over there so i just wanted to inform. We basically just want no one to be hurt and everyone to have equal rights, and they basically want the most vicious norms of society, and also to destroy our country.

You do know that 9/11 was planned and executed by a group of rogue terrorists who take orders from no government, right?

The guy who executed that terrorist attack in Mumbai, India, was from America. Does that give India the right to invade us?

 

[EvanR12]

No it doesnt, I spend alot of time overseas, I've been to alot of Muslim countries. Your are taking the bs that your fed back home from people like fox news and Fred from the bar and applying them to reality when its not the case. I agree with the women thing, how they are treated over there is bullshit and it needs to change. And yes you are allowed to marry a female at a young age, but Islam isnt the only religion to do that. Christianity has its own branches that practice the same thing and incest. Go back 500 years and regulaur christians also had 12 year old wives. Is it wrong, definently, but its not just them. Mutilation is not the norm, extremist cut heads off, not Muslims. Look at the bible, look back at time, its not only muslims cutting off limbs in the name of a god. You are so wrong about how it is in those countries it aint even funny. I dont follow the Quran because i think its bullshit and has ideals I wont conform to, same with the bible, same with the Kabbala and so on. Stop generalizing or go to stromfront or some other racist forum where ignorance is widely accepted.

My brother has been to iraq and seen it with his own eyes first of all, in zones you have probably not been to. I knew you were going to say that " 500 years ago there were bad christians" 500 years ago there was bad everyone. im talking about now. And the female mutilation thing happens more than you think. And its not like you are "allowed" to marry young girls. The girls are slaves and they just call it a "wife". It is the law rape is legal, you dont get much more widespread than that. But you agree that the treatment of women is horrible so thats a plus...... If there is some horrible dominantly christian country that is as bad as the ones i mentioned, and it is because of the religion just let me know the specifics and i will be against those christians.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

No thats the problem i just know that messed up shit is going on and there is no way to fix it. Because "forcing someone to embrace your cultural values" seems bad. But it kind of became our bussiness when so many of our people were slaughtered by terrorists that are throughout all of those countries. And the arguements i have heard as of why 911 happened are mostly speculation and dont seem to hold water. And alot of people dont know how bad it is over there so i just wanted to inform. We basically just want no one to be hurt and everyone to have equal rights, and they basically want the most vicious norms of society, and also to destroy our country.

SMH, You apperantly dont want equal rights, you want everyone to follow the Christian way of living. And "We" as in America want equal rights? Get the fuck out of here, we have millions of people open to killing gays, abortionist, anything of a different race, anything not of our religion. Plenty of things, you'd swear when they hung Saddam half of America thought the shit was the second coming of Christ everyone praising god for his hanging, throwing parties, crying tears of joy. We are full of people who love conflict, need something to dislike so they can go on living, and fail to realize the danger in hate and fear.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

My brother has been to iraq and seen it with his own eyes first of all, in zones you have probably not been to. I knew you were going to say that " 500 years ago there were bad christians" thats nice. im talking about now. And the female mutilation thing happens more than you think. And its not like you are "allowed" to marry young girls. The girls are bought and raped and they just call it a "wife". It is the law rape is legal, you dont get much more widespread than that. But you agree that the treatment of women is horrible so thats a plus...... If there is some horrible dominantly christian country that is as bad as the ones i mentioned just let me know the specifics and i will be against those christians.

Is you brother in the war?

And now even Christians are doing shit thats unnacceptable why not complain about that as well, cause they dont have stereotypical portraits of themselves that are sold to you?

And no they just dont walk outside grab up 11 year old throw her in the house fuck her and be like "your my wife deal with it". Nor do they just start chopping women into pieces like you say. Like I said your views are mostly stereotypical beliefs, the other side is probably because you believe what goes on in a war torn area is the norm.

Israel stays killing for no reason, raping palestinian women, blowing up anything they think isnt them. Go in on them. Our own troops are killing innocent people, treating prisoners like puppets and play toys for their dogs, raping women, cutting peoples limbs off, why are you not against that? Oh wait, know that answer to, because without being in war you dont get this side of the story unless someone leaks it which rarely happens. Go sign up to go over there and fight, see how much your views on life and other people change once you get here and everything sinks in.

 

[the1nonlyruru]

when the US says so...

 

[EvanR12]

Is you brother in the war?

And now even Christians are doing shit thats unnacceptable why not complain about that as well, cause they dont have stereotypical portraits of themselves that are sold to you?

And no they just dont walk outside grab up 11 year old throw her in the house fuck her and be like "your my wife deal with it". Nor do they just start chopping women into pieces like you say. Like I said your views are mostly stereotypical beliefs, the other side is probably because you believe what goes on in a war torn area is the norm.

Israel stays killing for no reason, raping palestinian women, blowing up anything they think isnt them. Go in on them. Our own troops are killing innocent people, treating prisoners like puppets and play toys for their dogs, raping women, cutting peoples limbs off, why are you not against that? Oh wait, know that answer to, because without being in war you dont get this side of the story unless someone leaks it which rarely happens. Go sign up to go over there and fight, see how much your views on life and other people change once you get here and everything sinks in.

If anyone is killing innocent people and raping or whatever,i am against that i have been saying it from the beginning. I said to seconds ago, tell me which christians are as bad and where they are and i am against them too. It just seems like you are defending evil sometimes, because i say "hey this guys over here is torturing innocent people" and you say "ya well along time ago your people did that"...... ok?

The everyday society over there just believes in horrible treatment of woman simple as that. Im sure there is other bad places sorry if i didnt list every single last bad place, those are the main countries where rape is legal. If you get arrested in those countries, gang rape is very common. The difference with our troops doing bad shit is this. The troops who rape women over there, are a small fringe of corrupt people, the majority is just. The society of the countries mentioned is the opposite, MOST of them believe in, and take part in rape and they all agree women have no rights. You can always find one bad guy in any group, those are the societies where almost everyone agrees woman are property though. What is your arguement exactly? that yes they rape and own woman...... but they dont chop people up and torture all homosexuals as much as i say? lol

 

[ThaChozenWun]

If anyone is killing innocent people and raping or whatever,i am against that i have been saying it from the beginning. I said to seconds ago, tell me which christians are as bad and where they are and i am against them too. It just seems like you are defending evil sometimes, because i say "hey this guys over here is torturing innocent people" and you say "ya well along time ago your people did that"...... ok?

The everyday society over there just believes in horrible treatment of woman simple as that. Im sure there is other bad places sorry if i didnt list every single last bad place, those are the main countries where rape is legal. If you get arrested in those countries, gang rape is very common. The difference with our troops doing bad shit is this. The troops who rape women over there, are a small fringe of corrupt people, the majority is just. The society of the countries mentioned is the opposite, MOST of them believe in, and take part in rape and they all agree women have no rights. You can always find one bad guy in any group, those are the societies where almost everyone agrees woman are property though. What is your arguement exactly? that yes they rape and own woman...... but they dont chop people up and torture all homosexuals as much as i say? lol

I agree most of them over there dont really mind raping a girl and treat them like shit, but its not a GLOBAL Islam thing. Muslims in areas where rape and torture are viewed as wrong are against it. Some of the people over in those countries are against it, but if you are taught something from a young age, ecpsecially something as destructive as religion, what you are doing doesnt seem wrong.

Brought up racist = likely will hate an opposite race without a second thought

Brought up christian in the south = Only white people are gods children and everyone else can go die

Islam in the Middle East = Your women aint nothing more but blowup dolls and floor mats

Brought up in Israel = Hey we got god and america on our side fuck what anyone thinks and lets do as we please.

If you want to make a change get up, get out and go do it. Complaining about peoples actions are wrong, they are brought up to believe this bullshit and alot of people end up brainwashed into thinking the man telling them something is right, few people are able to break free and create their own judgements of people. Yourself included, im positive your father has issues with non-white people and your brother has tales of those evil sand nigg er terrorists are blowing everything up. You are brainwashed into believing all the stereotypical shit and buy into anything the government and systems tell you. Its alot better to go look for yourself and not listen to anyone because people will always push an agenda onto you and once you buy it they can feed you anything and youll swallow it.

Get rid of religion it ends a shitload of segregated thought processes, it stops helping racist people push their agenda, it stops people from Judging people believing its gods word as to what and what not to like.

 

[EvanR12]

You do know that 9/11 was planned and executed by a group of rogue terrorists who take orders from no government, right?

The guy who executed that terrorist attack in Mumbai, India, was from America. Does that give India the right to invade us?

This is one of the best replies imo. Our country dose not aid the terrorists though the way other countries do. If there was a large terrorist group like alkaida in the U.S. and they were attacking another country, They might eventually have the right to invade, but they wouldnt need to "invade" because our country would gladly support finding and ending the terrorism.

And my dad has no problem with black people lol. I wasnt brainwashed though its a fact woman are property over there, and the things i said in the first post do occur and its from the same religious views that say the woman have no rights.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

This is one of the best replies imo. Our country dose not aid the terrorists though the way other countries do. If there was a large terrorist group like alkaida in the U.S. and they were attacking another country, They might eventually have the right to invade, but they wouldnt need to "invade" because our country would gladly support finding and ending the terrorism.

And my dad has no problem with black people lol. I wasnt brainwashed though its a fact woman are property over there, and the things i said in the first post do occur and its from the same religious views that say the woman have no rights.

You do know most of the Arab countries are on our side when it comes to fightin terrorism right?

 

[shootemwon]

This is one of the best replies imo. Our country dose not aid the terrorists though the way other countries do. If there was a large terrorist group like alkaida in the U.S. and they were attacking another country, They might eventually have the right to invade, but they wouldnt need to "invade" because our country would gladly support finding and ending the terrorism.

Our government failed to catch this guy before he went over India and murdered a bunch of innocent people. Just like government in Afghanistan had no control over their terrorists, we have no control over ours. India might need to invade us to establish a government that will crack down on those who would pose a threat to India.

 

[janklow]

1.) Not take control as in the sense of we invaded and set up shop and we are controlling every aspect of the country.

then i guess i don't see what that phrase is supposed to mean. i think i said it in another thread, but i don't consider Bin Laden to be the best source of reasonable arguments.

If your older brother didnt get his money off someone and that other person came after him why would you jump in?

well, he's my older brother and i might feel inclined to protect him; i suppose this would be the familial version of being allies (this argument also has the weird idea of my brother being assaulted by a guy that OWES him money and ME catching more flak from you than the guy, you know, ASSAULTING MY BROTHER). also, i think it's fair to say that Kuwait and/or Saudi Arabia asked for help. i don't think the US, whatever our shortcomings, just showed up and started fighting Iraq.

but i suppose my point is this: Kuwait's ability to sell us oil affects us. why is it NONE of our business if someone attacks them?

We justified toppling the Taliban by saying that they allowed terrorists to operate out of Afghanistan, but the truth is that whether they wanted to allow Al Qaeda to exist in Afghanistan or not, they never had enough control over the country to make that call.

i think you could make the argument that they had the ability to let al-Qaeda specifically be in Afghanistan, if only because al-Qaeda had a connection with Omar and friends. but obviously the Taliban didn't have the ability to stop al-Qaeda from carrying out 9/11 (it's my understanding they felt a little surprised/betrayed by this) and i doubt they could have prevented al-Qaeda from setting foot anywhere in Afghanistan if they had so desired.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

but i suppose my point is this: Kuwait's ability to sell us oil affects us. why is it NONE of our business if someone attacks them?

Simply put, We need to fix our problems at home first before we keep jumping in to save other nations. Its a fact we have alternate sources for energy that would work just fine, we dont need that oil anymore. I dont oppose helping a friend, but if your not able to help yourself first, then I dont think you should be worried about your friend at that time.

 

[And Step]

The disdain for Muslim people comes from the facts. Fact: the countries that are dominantly Muslim support child rape, slavery, mutilation, everything i mentioned up there as the norm of society. The countries that are dominantly christian allow equallity fairness , are against all violence and allow freedom of religion. "we just see it as bad because that what we were taught growing up"...... we see it as bad because it is brutal torture, slavery and rape....... I would like to hear those country argue FOR those horrible things. but i knew most of you would say we shouldnt get involved because countries should stay out of other countries bussiness supposedly......... which is why i asked question 1

I have been to nearly every Muslim nation on this Earth, and I can bear witness that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Your a twenty year old white boy who has never left his place of birth, and gets his news from Glenn Beck or Alex Jones. Based on conduct and the principles laid down in the Bible, the Muslim countries carry into practice more of the Bible than so-called Christian nations. Crime according to western standards is relatively non existant. Rape? Please there are more women raped and abused in the US than anywhere on the Earth.

You rape a woman over there, they chop your head off your shoulders. I can leave my valuables in a hotel room and don't have to worry about someone stealing it because the consequences are so severe.

Your ignorance is stifling.

 

[EvanR12]

I have been to nearly every Muslim nation on this Earth, and I can bear witness that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. Your a twenty year old white boy who has never left his place of birth, and gets his news from Glenn Beck or Alex Jones. Based on conduct and the principles laid down in the Bible, the Muslim countries carry into practice more of the Bible than so-called Christian nations. Crime according to western standards is relatively non existant. Rape? Please there are more women raped and abused in the US than anywhere on the Earth.

You rape a woman over there, they chop your head off your shoulders. I can leave my valuables in a hotel room and don't have to worry about someone stealing it because the consequences are so severe.

Your ignorance is stifling.

Why dose it matter that im white lol you act like "plus hes white he must be dum". You are wrong though, everyone knows rape is legal in alot of those countries. You did not know that women are considered property in alot of those countries? everyone knows that. Raping your wife is legal in some of those countries. It is a fact i promise.

"you rape woman over there they chop off your head and shoulders" ...... that is just contradictory. If they are so quick to cut off peoples head and shoulders they are still savages.What if a girl just lied and goes "he raped me" and they immediately chop off his head thats still horrible, you know they dont prove shit with forensics. Your arguement is "hey they dont rape woman, they only chop people to pieces"

 

[And Step]

Why dose it matter that im white lol you act like "plus hes white he must be dum". You are wrong though, everyone knows rape is legal in alot of those countries. You did not know that women are considered property in alot of those countries? everyone knows that. Raping your wife is legal in some of those countries. It is a fact i promise.
"you rape woman over there they chop off your head and shoulders" ...... that is just contradictory. If they are so quick to cut off peoples head and shoulders they are still savages.What if a girl just lied and goes "he raped me" and they immediately chop off his head thats still horrible, you know they dont prove shit with forensics. Your arguement is "hey they dont rape woman, they only chop people to pieces"

Your the least informed dude on here.

Being white has nothing to do per se, but being a white, young, and ill informed is a heads up to let people know what they are dealing with.

Your a first rate fool, you speak of something you have no knowledge of, to say everyone knows ,such and such is typical white privilege propaganda. You think just because you spout some unsubstantiated bull shit that it holds weight. Try again youngin. It's not contradictory. It is only contradictory to those who don't understand the principle of Justice. Which unfortunately, your people have very little concept of. Women are respected way more over seas than here. You all parade your woman around like whores half naked, battered and brutalize them, rape them. Impregnate them and skate responsibility. White boy, you have no moral authority to judge any nations doing until you first clean up your own house. More rapes, unwed mothers, battered woman shelters in the US than in all Muslim Nations combined.

Captial punishment is a principle practiced in the US. The mode of death may change but the end is the same. Savage? Savage means someone who has no knowledge of himself and is living an animal existence. Faggots, pornography, murder, rape, stealing, etc are the order of the day in a savage nation. Which nations lead in these categories?

There is jurisprudence in those countries. They just don't drag things out so lawyers, judges, bail bondsman, cops, and others tied to the criminal justice system can wax rich.

Present the facts, verdict, chop the head off, and a big ass hole to dump your monkey ass in.