Assault weapons ban now highly unlikely: Senate Democrats won’t even include it in their bill

[janklow]

Where NYPD got into trouble is that they have "production numbers," i.e. quotas.

and in the end, whatever anyone thinks of stop-and-frisk or other specific police shenanigans, we should all know that quotas and playing these numbers games ALWAYS results in some bullshit by the police.

The gun ho NRA is wrong cause they do whatever it takes to spread fear into gunaholics like the government is going to take away their guns in the middle of the night.

...cut to members of the government, both on state and local levels, attempting to ban guns. Obama did a hell of a job undermining every moderate gun owner i know who spent time telling people to calm down because he didn't want to take your guns away.

I go in this pawn shop that looked like where Marsellus Washington got raped

sounds like trouble for anyone, really

 

[DarkRaiden]

Niggas (as in all people) need to let go of they guns already. It's not helping you survive, it's not he;ping against the government should they run up on niggas, and all it does is escalate regular situations (say a robbery) into a life or death situation. Shit is straight poison.

 

[kingblaze84]

Niggas (as in all people) need to let go of they guns already. It's not helping you survive, it's not he;ping against the government should they run up on niggas, and all it does is escalate regular situations (say a robbery) into a life or death situation. Shit is straight poison.

That's not true. There are many cases of home invasion robberies ending up with the robbers getting shot dead and the home owner being safe and secure. If the cops can't protect a murder victim, why should people not have a gun to protect themselves. You know what every murder victim has in common? The cops came by after the victim was murdered.

 

[kingblaze84]

I was trying to get rid of some old TVs and some other shit I didn't need so I figured I'd try to pawn it b4 I threw it away.

I go in this pawn shop that looked like where Marsellus Washington got raped

they told me the didn't need my shit.They all strapped w/ guns on the waist ban like cowboys.Straight rednecks w/ a pawn shop in the hood.

They got this 40 that looks like a chopper.I was asking what it was and he said it was a 40 and said "but there about to go up in price because of goddamn Obama and them"

they were salty and ready to shoot me and any nigga

Well say what you wana say about them, but I bet any nigga thinking of robbing somebody will avoid that store. They will probably choose to rob someone they think is unarmed, just like most robbers out there.

 

[Drew_Ali]

These niggas have no intention to reduce gun violence in America................

Has to do with what Harry Belafonte said.............

"The rivers of blood that wash the streets of our nation flow mostly from the bodies of our black children. Yet, as the great debate emerges on the question of the gun, white America discusses the constitutional issues of ownership while no one speaks to the consequences of our racial carnage."

so you believe legislation is what will reduce gun violence in America?

our black children are more under threat from the violent collective mindset that is shared in our culture

vs. focusing on one inanimate object that is seldom misused by law-abiding citizens

those who continue to not give a damn about the black community while expecting to be sheltered just because they were born in it are more of a threat to black children being murdered

we need to start holding ourselves accountable/and find our own solutions

instead of hoping outside groups who've already been known to vicitimize us will one day grow a heart and save us from ourselves SMH

I agree with most of what you said............

However......

Legislation favoring gun restrictions is not looking to an outside group for help...........

Theoretically, American people have local, state and national representatives.........

Seeking change through your legislators is not seeking help from outsiders........

Although it might seem that way..............

Most African Americans (the ones that shoot people) don't get guns from gun stores.........

These weapons are placed strategically in "minority" neighborhoods in order to continue violence..........

(Similar to Iran-Contra)

And yes......

Just legislation will reduce gun violence.............

you are correct @ the bolded/underlined...........but just going to your legislator isn't really enough without also considering that other legislators representing other groups have to vote in favor of these bills too

legislators representing those other constituents who don't give a damn about what's happening in the black community are the same ones that black folks hope will all of a sudden be sympathetic to the black experience

that is a weak solution to depend on, cause we see how it's worked so far

and @ the bolded............how do you not see the gap in your logic?

if most guns that kill people don't come from gun stores or places that perform background checks

what is passing a law that criminalizes responsible owners really going to do but make us all even more vulnerable?

it makes no sense to be in another thread talking about police brutality

but then in another thread we are advocating taking away legal firearms to make us even more reliant on the same govt systems that already don't protect us

Chicago is a perfect example of gun control legislation at work..........yet rational folks can never explain how that situation is really benefiting the black community

would you prefer they start the controversial "stop and frisk" policy in Chicago as well too?

Nah brother........

I am not on it like that..........

I am a gun owner and don't want my rights interfered on either.....

Legislation that I support goes beyond background checks and targets manufacturing and distribution........

Also the control of guns confiscated by law enforcement agencies......

Remember "Fast & Furious".......

They have been doing that shit in our hoods for decades............

You right about facing the opposition of big money lobbyists and such......

However......

As you stated earlier....... "we need to start holding ourselves accountable/and find our own solutions"......

When this happens our legislators have to pay more attention........

I agree that the bolded has made a negative impact in our community

but legislation still isn't going to stop that

the problem isn't the supply of guns

the problem is that we turn and use them on each other...........cause the minute we start using them shits to protect ourselves from outsiders, then it will be a real problem haha

Like janklow stated earlier........

Ending the drug war & other legislation will reduce gun violence................

The hood is fucked up, b.........

But eliminating poverty will also go a long way towards ending "inner-city gun violence".............

 

[janklow]

Niggas (as in all people) need to let go of they guns already. It's not helping you survive, it's not he;ping against the government should they run up on niggas, and all it does is escalate regular situations (say a robbery) into a life or death situation. Shit is straight poison.

a gun is an object, a tool, whatever. it doesn't make you DO anything. you can get your life right without some unnecessary "give up your guns" nonsense.

 

[DarkRaiden]

Niggas (as in all people) need to let go of they guns already. It's not helping you survive, it's not he;ping against the government should they run up on niggas, and all it does is escalate regular situations (say a robbery) into a life or death situation. Shit is straight poison.

That's not true. There are many cases of home invasion robberies ending up with the robbers getting shot dead and the home owner being safe and secure. If the cops can't protect a murder victim, why should people not have a gun to protect themselves. You know what every murder victim has in common? The cops came by after the victim was murdered.

Proving my point. The robbers shouldn't die either. Taking someone's life because they tried to rob you is terrible, evil almost. Without guns it's nearly impossible. Niggas need to let that shit go. It's not worth someone's life.

 

[kingblaze84]

Niggas (as in all people) need to let go of they guns already. It's not helping you survive, it's not he;ping against the government should they run up on niggas, and all it does is escalate regular situations (say a robbery) into a life or death situation. Shit is straight poison.

That's not true. There are many cases of home invasion robberies ending up with the robbers getting shot dead and the home owner being safe and secure. If the cops can't protect a murder victim, why should people not have a gun to protect themselves. You know what every murder victim has in common? The cops came by after the victim was murdered.

Proving my point. The robbers shouldn't die either. Taking someone's life because they tried to rob you is terrible, evil almost. Without guns it's nearly impossible. Niggas need to let that shit go. It's not worth someone's life.

Why shouldn't a robber be shot dead if he or she tries to rob someone's home? How do we know if that robber wouldn't try to shoot the home owner for not cooperating? Not sure if you read the newspapers much but robbers have killed many home owners and business owners over the years, even people walking the streets, for not cooperating. I'm not gona take a chance if a nigga is trying to rob me in my own home, Ima either try to stab or shoot him to death if given the chance. If you wana be trusting of the neighborhood stick up kid, that's your choice homie. Don't expect everybody else to lie down like an honorable victim like you would.

 

[janklow]

Without guns it's nearly impossible.

someone needs to read up on how murders are committed in this country

 

[Maximus Rex]

Proving my point. The robbers shouldn't die either. Taking someone's life because they tried to rob you is terrible, evil almost. Without guns it's nearly impossible. Niggas need to let that shit go. It's not worth someone's life.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/24/nyregion/24slay.html?ref=petitfamily&_r=0

Not it's not. If I nigga tries to take something from me, Imma try with end his existence with no fucks given and be glad I did it.

The savage muthfuckas who run up in this poor man's house obviously didn't feel the way you do:

The wife and two daughters of a prominent Connecticut endocrinologist were killed yesterday morning by two men who invaded their suburban home in Cheshire, held them hostage for hours, set fire to the house and then rammed three police cars with the family’s sport utility vehicle before they were subdued, the authorities said.

The doctor, William A. Petit Jr., 50, medical director of the Joslin Diabetes Center at the Hospital of Central Connecticut, survived the attack and staggered from the burning house with what a neighbor described as a bloody head wound. He was hospitalized in stable condition.

Law enforcement officials in Cheshire, a prosperous suburb 15 miles north of New Haven, declined to identify the two men who were in custody, or the charges against them.

Neighbors of the Petits on Sorghum Mill Drive, in a subdivision of tall trees and manicured lawns, described a chilling sequence yesterday. They said the family’s house was suddenly engulfed in flames, police cars converged, and two young men — one with a shaved head and the other with closely cropped hair — ran from the house and tried to flee in one of the family’s vehicles.

“In Cheshire, we are not used to this type of event,” said Michael Cruess, the town’s police chief. “It’s very tragic, and it is probably going to reach right down to the roots of this community.”

The authorities said that Dr. Petit’s wife of 22 years, Jennifer Hawke-Petit, 48, and two daughters, Hayley, 17, and Michaela, 11, were declared dead at the scene after the police and firefighters arrived at the home shortly after 9:30 a.m.

Ms. Hawke-Petit was co-director of the health center at the Cheshire Academy, a boarding and day school.

Hayley graduated in June from Miss Porter’s School in Farmington, and planned to attend Dartmouth, her father’s alma mater. Michaela was to enter the sixth grade at the Chase Collegiate School in Waterbury.

The authorities said that two men showed up at the Petit house early yesterday, but that it was unclear how they gained entry or what happened inside about 9 a.m. But at that point, the police said, either the mother or the 17-year-old daughter accompanied one of the two assailants in a family car to a local Bank of America branch, where she withdrew an undisclosed amount of cash.

“Bank employees were suspicious enough to contact the Cheshire Police Department, who immediately went to the bank and the victims’ residence to intercept the vehicle involved,” said Lt. J. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police.

He declined to comment on a report on The Hartford Courant’s Web site that Ms. Hawke-Petit had appeared at the bank and managed to slip a note to a bank employee that her family was being held hostage.

Details of what followed remained unclear yesterday, and law enforcement officials in Connecticut declined to comment on several questions about the case pending charges against the two men and their arraignment scheduled for today in State Superior Court in Meriden. They said autopsies would also be performed today by Connecticut’s chief medical examiner, and refused to discuss any evidence or whether the deaths resulted from the fire or an assault.

Lieutenant Vance said the first police officer to arrive at the Petit house saw that it was on fire and saw two men trying to flee in a car. When the officer tried to block the men, they rammed his police cruiser, Sergeant Vance said.

The officer then called for help, and fellow members of the Cheshire Police Department positioned two more police cars nose-to-nose as a barricade a few houses away.

A neighbor, Anton Rao, an optometrist who described himself as a close friend of the Petits’, said the two men drove into the police barricade at close to 60 miles per hour, and crashed through it before their car broke down and came to a halt.

Dr. Rao said he was on his way home about 9:30 a.m. when he saw the police with rifles outside the Petit house. He said he parked his car and continued on foot along a path in the backyards of the subdivision to reach his own house. “I told my own kids to go to the basement and lock the doors,” he said yesterday, choking back tears.

 

[kingblaze84]

Without guns it's nearly impossible.

someone needs to read up on how murders are committed in this country

More people in America are killed with hammers, bats and knives then guns. I guess it's time to ban all knives and home workshop tools now. Let's ban tree limbs while we're at it.

 

[janklow]

or, for the more left-leaning posters, just remember all the times gun control was pushed for and passed because either "we can't have MINORITIES with these guns" and/or "gun crime might affect rich, IMPORTANT people after all"

 

[Trollio]

im shooting...made u look

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

"Do you value your life as much as your possessions?, don't be a stupid nigga learn a lesson."

SMH @ dudes killing over material possessions. I know for a fact y'all haven't been robbed before because you would know not to reach for anything or your whole frame would get lit up something serious.

If you were smart you would let them take the material and calmly call the police. You only live once stupid. That fake ass watch you were wearing isn't worth your life SMH.

P.S. I'm not talking home invasions, but even then you should lock yourself in a room, call the police, and have the heat ready. Going after a robber even in your own house is crazy and puts you at a disadvantage.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Without guns it's nearly impossible.

someone needs to read up on how murders are committed in this country

More people in America are killed with hammers, bats and knives then guns. I guess it's time to ban all knives and home workshop tools now. Let's ban tree limbs while we're at it.

Now compare how many people in America die by guns vs. other countries, and that should clear everything up.

 

[zombie]

sooner or later 3-d printing technology will make a any kind of gun ban useless anyway. people will just make their own fucking guns.

 

[kingblaze84]

"Do you value your life as much as your possessions?, don't be a stupid nigga learn a lesson."

SMH @ dudes killing over material possessions. I know for a fact y'all haven't been robbed before because you would know not to reach for anything or your whole frame would get lit up something serious.

If you were smart you would let them take the material and calmly call the police. You only live once stupid. That fake ass watch you were wearing isn't worth your life SMH.

P.S. I'm not talking home invasions, but even then you should lock yourself in a room, call the police, and have the heat ready. Going after a robber even in your own house is crazy and puts you at a disadvantage.

Sorry man that's complete bullshit. You need to go online and do research on store owners who shot dead cocksuckers who dared tried to rob their store. Anyone trying to rob me in my home will either be pumped full of bullets or stabbed so hard my knife will stick around for maggots to climb on. Robberies are very rare in states that have loose gun control laws, why? Because mufuckas don't wana take a chance trying to rob a dude with a gun. There are more robberies and shootings in cities with tight gun laws then cities with loose ones, I wonder why.............

 

[kingblaze84]

sooner or later 3-d printing technology will make a any kind of gun ban useless anyway. people will just make their own fucking guns.

Hallelujah lol.....the White House and some people in Congress wana ban guns so they can have the monopoly on control. Govt should fear the people, not the other way around......

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

"Do you value your life as much as your possessions?, don't be a stupid nigga learn a lesson."

SMH @ dudes killing over material possessions. I know for a fact y'all haven't been robbed before because you would know not to reach for anything or your whole frame would get lit up something serious.

If you were smart you would let them take the material and calmly call the police. You only live once stupid. That fake ass watch you were wearing isn't worth your life SMH.

P.S. I'm not talking home invasions, but even then you should lock yourself in a room, call the police, and have the heat ready. Going after a robber even in your own house is crazy and puts you at a disadvantage.

Sorry man that's complete bullshit. You need to go online and do research on store owners who shot dead cocksuckers who dared tried to rob their store. Anyone trying to rob me in my home will either be pumped full of bullets or stabbed so hard my knife will stick around for maggots to climb on. Robberies are very rare in states that have loose gun control laws, why? Because mufuckas don't wana take a chance trying to rob a dude with a gun. There are more robberies and shootings in cities with tight gun laws then cities with loose ones, I wonder why.............

And if it was gang related in any way, now you got some money on your head..... SMH you clearly don't think things through, and you clearly don't reside in a neighborhood where shit like that goes down so just stop.

 

[janklow]

If you were smart you would let them take the material and calmly call the police.

because no one has ever been injured or killed in a crime where they just went along.

P.S. I'm not talking home invasions, but even then you should lock yourself in a room, call the police, and have the heat ready. Going after a robber even in your own house is crazy and puts you at a disadvantage.

well, hell, why even "have the heat ready" and call the police? just let them do whatever they want and surely it will all work out well in the end!

Now compare how many people in America die by guns vs. other countries, and that should clear everything up.

do you want to pull suicides out of that data, or would that be inconvenient for your claims?