As long as the VILLIAN wins.

[zombie]

No in the O.T killing is O.K if it is by the laws period it's not more complex than that.

Who's laws? the laws of the government/rulers of that time?

Because if God says "thou shalt not murder (but killing is okay if your government allows it)", not only does that sound extremely fishy, but in essence, God is following the law of man

The government at the time the law was given was religious. so killing is ok if ordered by the government. because the government was supposed to be run on the god given commands of the law.

 

[Bodhi]

back then...

Malachi 3:6

I the Lord do not change.

1 Peter 1:25

but the word of the Lord endures forever.

And this is the word that was preached to you.

 

[Bodhi]

And free will does not really "exist" if god is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. Everything that happens is kind of like going through a filter of god's will. Basically, he allows evil to happen so he is the responsible party. Like the Bible says, the Lord does ALL these things.

 

[Bodhi]

killing is ok if ordered by the government.

So basically God is okay with a killing if the government issues, orders or allows the killing to take place? If so, like I said, God is following man.

because the government was supposed to be run on the god given commands of the law.

supposed to be. But hold on: governments were established before the ten commandments were given, and when they were given, God said, "Thou shalt not murder (except when OK'd by the government. When that happens, it's called a "killing" and I'll protect you from harm or responsiblity after the act)" So government law came first; not God's law, because God was basing his law on pre-existing government laws, according to you. If not, then ALL killing is unjustifiable.

 

[zombie]

And free will does not really "exist" if god is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient. Everything that happens is kind of like going through a filter of god's will. Basically, he allows evil to happen so he is the responsible party. Like the Bible says, the Lord does ALL these things.

God is omnipresent omniscient and omnipoten but in human lives god chooses only to operate when we let him in in other words he is not going to always stop man or the angels from doing wrong, psalm 135:6 The LORD does whatever pleases him, in the heavens and on the earth, in the seas and all their depths. god does what he wants god does not make evil what he can do is make disasters personal or natural buts that's not evil. that's the meaning behind

Isa 45:7

I form the light and create darkness,

I bring prosperity and create disaster;

I, the Lord, do all these things.

 

[zombie]

killing is ok if ordered by the government.

So basically God is okay with a killing if the government issues, orders or allows the killing to take place? If so, like I said, God is following man.

because the government was supposed to be run on the god given commands of the law.

supposed to be. But hold on: governments were established before the ten commandments were given, and when they were given, God said, "Thou shalt not murder (except when OK'd by the government. When that happens, it's called a "killing" and I'll protect you from harm or responsiblity after the act)" So government law came first; not God's law, because God was basing his law on pre-existing government laws, according to you. If not, then ALL killing is unjustifiable.

GOD IS NOT FOLLOWING MAN, THE GOVERNMENTS LAW CAME FROM GOD he set up the governemnt and it's laws THEY JUST IMPLEMENT IT. THERE WERE OTHER GOVERNMENT IN BIBLICAL TIMES BUT NOT THIS GOVERNMENT NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL.

 

[Bodhi]

God is omnipresent omniscient and omnipoten but in human lives god chooses only to operate when we let him in in other words he is not going to always stop man or the angels from doing wrong

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

god does what he wants god does not make evil what he can do is make disasters personal or natural buts that's not evil. that's the meaning behind

Isa 45:7

I form the light and create darkness,

I bring prosperity and create disaster;

I, the Lord, do all these things.

The correct word is "calamity"

ca·lam·i·ty/kəˈlamitē/

Noun

1.An event causing great and often sudden damage or distress; a disaster.

2.Disaster and distress.

e·vil   /ˈivəl/

adjective

1. morally wrong or bad; immoral; wicked: evil deeds; an evil life.

2. harmful; injurious: evil laws.

3. characterized or accompanied by misfortune or suffering; unfortunate; disastrous: to be fallen on evil days.

4. due to actual or imputed bad conduct or character: an evil reputation.

5. marked by anger, irritability, irascibility, etc.: He is known for his evil disposition.

 

[Bodhi]

GOD IS NOT FOLLOWING MAN, THE GOVERNMENTS LAW CAME FROM GOD he set up the governemnt and it's laws THEY JUST IMPLEMENT IT. THERE WERE OTHER GOVERNMENT IN BIBLICAL TIMES BUT NOT THIS GOVERNMENT NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL.

Then why make a 10 commandments if his law, which by the way since god is supposedly perfect should also be perfect, was already established?

In any event, God said if the act of killing is intentional, then it is considered a murder. And anyone who commits murder shall be murdered

 

[zombie]

back then...

Malachi 3:6

I the Lord do not change.

This is speaking to gods nature not the implementation of his laws. God is speaking about himself

Mal 3:5So I will come to put you on trial. I will be quick to testify against sorcerers, adulterers and perjurers, against those who defraud laborers of their wages, who oppress the widows and the fatherless, and deprive the foreigners among you of justice, but do not fear me,” says the Lord Almighty.

FINISH THE REST OF MAL 3:6

So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed.

IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE STORY OF JACOB THIS PASSAGE has A REAL MEANING. jacob did sin but god did not destroy him. fast forward to MAL3:6 israel sins and here god is saying that in the same way jacob sinned but was not totally destroyed so to shall israel not be fully destroyed because how god feels about israel has not changed he is just going to do what he has always done for israel.

Mal 3:16 Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name.

17 “On the day when I act,” says the Lord Almighty, “they will be my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as a father has compassion and spares his son who serves him. 18 And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.

the pattern of israel not doing good and god punishing them happens all through out the bible.

 

[Bodhi]

This is speaking to gods nature not the implementation of his laws. God is speaking about himself

His laws come from his nature. Your reply still doesn't change anything.

1 Peter 1:25

but the word of the Lord endures forever.

And this is the word that was preached to you.

 

[zombie]

GOD IS NOT FOLLOWING MAN, THE GOVERNMENTS LAW CAME FROM GOD he set up the governemnt and it's laws THEY JUST IMPLEMENT IT. THERE WERE OTHER GOVERNMENT IN BIBLICAL TIMES BUT NOT THIS GOVERNMENT NOT THE GOVERNMENT OF THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL.

Then why make a 10 commandments if his law, which by the way since god is supposedly perfect should also be perfect, was already established?

In any event, God said if the act of killing is intentional, then it is considered a murder. And anyone who commits murder shall be murdered

The law was not established yet. the 10 commandments are part of the law. IF YOU KILL INTENTIONALLY A.K.A MURDER you die if you KILL by mistake you don't die what is so hard for you to understand in that.

 

[zombie]

This is speaking to gods nature not the implementation of his laws. God is speaking about himself

His laws come from his nature. Your reply still doesn't change anything.

1 Peter 1:25

but the word of the Lord endures forever.

And this is the word that was preached to you.

The word of the lord here MEANS christ AND HIS TEACHINGS NOT the O.T LAW if you read the whole this starting from 1 peter 13 you see peter is talking about christ

Therefore, with minds that are alert and fully sober, set your hope on the grace to be brought to you when Jesus Christ is revealed at his coming. 14 As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. 15 But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16 for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”[a]

17 Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear. 18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. 20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake. 21 Through him you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him, and so your faith and hope are in God.

22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart. 23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

Christ is called the word.

 

[Bodhi]

IF YOU KILL INTENTIONALLY A.K.A MURDER

a.k.a. murdering someone because they are homosexual

 

[zombie]

IF YOU KILL INTENTIONALLY A.K.A MURDER

a.k.a. murdering someone because they are homosexual

or for any other reason god gave in his law for that time.

 

[Bodhi]

23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

Christ is called the word.

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The word IS God (the Lord), but in this context below, a new "word" is described as "OF" God (the Lord). In this context, "word" is to mean simply word, THAT WAS PREACHED

1 Peter 1:25

but the word of the Lord endures forever.

And this is the word that was preached to you.

 

[zombie]

God is love the expression of that love partly came during the o.t in the form of the law of moses. his laws seem hard to us now but all of them were for the betterment of israel god created and preserved israel so they could become a light unto the nations.

 

[Bodhi]

IF YOU KILL INTENTIONALLY A.K.A MURDER

a.k.a. murdering someone because they are homosexual

or for any other reason god gave in his law for that time.

Exodus 21:12-14

12 “Anyone who strikes a person with a fatal blow is to be put to death. 13 However, if it is not done intentionally, but God lets it happen, they are to flee to a place I will designate. 14 But if anyone schemes and kills someone deliberately, that person is to be taken from my altar and put to death.

 

[zombie]

23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

Christ is called the word.

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The word IS God (the Lord), but in this context below, a new "word" is described as "OF" God (the Lord). In this context, "word" is to mean simply word, THAT WAS PREACHED

1 Peter 1:25

but the word of the Lord endures forever.

And this is the word that was preached to you.

YEAH BUT HE'S SPEAKING ABOUT THE SPOKEN WORD OF CHRIST that was preached. evidence for this is that for the whole chapter that's who he was talking about . he referenced the old testament

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. 24 For,

“All people are like grass,

and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;

the grass withers and the flowers fall,

25 but the word of the Lord endures forever.”[c]

Only christ is the LIVING word of god CHRIST ENDURES FOREVER

 

[zombie]

IF YOU KILL INTENTIONALLY A.K.A MURDER

a.k.a. murdering someone because they are homosexual

or for any other reason god gave in his law for that time.

Exodus 21:12-14

12 “Anyone who strikes a person with a fatal blow is to be put to death. 13 However, if it is not done intentionally, but God lets it happen, they are to flee to a place I will designate. 14 But if anyone schemes and kills someone deliberately, that person is to be taken from my altar and put to death.

oK, SO that was the law it's not accidental if it's intentional. it's not the kiling god is letting happen it's the dying.

 

[Bodhi]

If Christ endures forever and Christ is the word, the word was in the beginning, and all through the old testament. However, laws from the old testament changed once the new testament laws were established. God says he does not change. Even if he is speaking about himself, he is speaking about his nature, from which his laws come. But Paul says the law is not from God's mouth; the law is of man