As long as the VILLIAN wins.

[Bodhi]

according to the law

1Cor: 34-35 . Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. By the way this is a letter from paul not a command from god paul was not a prophet but an apostle.

That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord

Paul admitted that God did not give him the law. He admitted he was speaking for himself, and the laws of man at that time, as was all of the writers of the Bible.

OK. So you agree with me here. paul was not a prophet.

The Bible presents him as a prophet

Acts 13:6-12

6 They traveled through the whole island until they came to Paphos. There they met a Jewish sorcerer and false prophet named Bar-Jesus, 7 who was an attendant of the proconsul, Sergius Paulus. The proconsul, an intelligent man, sent for Barnabas and Saul because he wanted to hear the word of God. 8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for that is what his name means) opposed them and tried to turn the proconsul from the faith. 9 Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said, 10 “You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord? 11 Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind for a time, not even able to see the light of the sun.”

Immediately mist and darkness came over him, and he groped about, seeking someone to lead him by the hand. 12 When the proconsul saw what had happened, he believed, for he was amazed at the teaching about the Lord.

 

[Bodhi]

Acts 13:42-44

42 As Paul and Barnabas were leaving the synagogue, the people invited them to speak further about these things on the next Sabbath. 43 When the congregation was dismissed, many of the Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who talked with them and urged them to continue in the grace of God.

44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord.

 

[Bodhi]

Acts 15:12-19

12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:

16 “‘After this I will return

and rebuild David’s fallen tent.

Its ruins I will rebuild,

and I will restore it,

17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,

even all the Gentiles who bear my name,

says the Lord, who does these things’—

18 things known from long ago.[c]

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

22- 29

22 Then the apostles and elders, with the whole church, decided to choose some of their own men and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas. They chose Judas (called Barsabbas) and Silas, men who were leaders among the believers. 23 With them they sent the following letter:

The apostles and elders, your brothers,

To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul— 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

 

[God-I_Am_Ether]

Fool.

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

study your goddamn bible

The bible says that you are a fool if you say their is no god.

We not talking about me right now. We talking about you clearly disobeying what the Bible says although you claim to follow it.

God wants you to tell the truth nothing is wrong with calling some one a fool when the bible say they are. prove me other wise if you can i am willing to bet you cannot.

The Bible also says there is nothing wrong with murdering homosexuals

The Bible also says that women should not be allowed to speak in church. Go to your local church and spread the gospel, young man

nothing is wrong with calling some one a fool when the bible say they are. prove me other wise if you can i am willing to bet you cannot.

whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

Jesus is talking about cursing someone in anger read the previous verse and put it together. i don't call atheist fools in anger, i call them fools because the bible says they are. The murdering of homosexuals was a good thing this law was given at a time it was needed. yes women should be silent in the church according to the law

1Cor: 34-35 . Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. By the way this is a letter from paul not a command from god paul was not a prophet but an apostle.

What about Thou shall not kill?

 

[Bodhi]

But he claimed to be an apostle so... idk

1 Corinthians 15:9-10

9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.

 

[olympians05]

gods...evis....these words are total shit..

 

[blackrain]

Some of ya'll really need to learn the differences between the different denominations of Christianity. Too many Catholic rules get thrown around as the end all be all of Christianity when things are taught very differently if you're Baptist, Penecostal, Lutheran etc.

 

[God-I_Am_Ether]

But he claimed to be an apostle so... idk

1 Corinthians 15:9-10

9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.

Contradictions. Contradictions. Contradictions.

Paul constantly contradicted Jesus. But he was an ex-Christian killer.

1. On the time of the coming of the Lord:

Paul says:

Rom.13

[12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand.

Jesus says:

Luke.21

 [8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name,

saying, . . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them.

2. On the source of the Truth and the true gospel:

Paul says:

1Cor.2

[13] And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit.

Gal.1

[12] For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Jesus says:

John.17

[14] I have given them thy word;

[17] Sanctify them in the truth; thy word is truth.

3. On the God of the dead:

 

Paul says:

Rom.14

[9] For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

Jesus says:

Luke.20

[38] Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living;

4. On the sum of the commandments:

Paul says:

Rom.13

[9] The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Jesus says:

Matt.22

[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.

[38] This is the great and first commandment.

[39] And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

[40] On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.

5. On whom God has mercy:

Paul says:

Rom.9

[15] For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."

[16] So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy.

[18] So then he has mercy upon whomever he wills, and he hardens the heart of whomever he wills.

Jesus says:

Matt.5

[7] Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

6. On forgiveness of trespasses:

Paul says:

Eph.1

[7] In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace

Rom.4

[25] who was put to death for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

Jesus says:

Matt.6

[14] For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you;

[15] but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

7. On being justified:

Paul says:

Rom.3

[24] they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,

[28] For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.

Rom.5

[9] Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

Jesus says:

Matt.12

[37] for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.

8. On the cost of eternal life:

Paul says:

Rom.6

[23] For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Jesus says:

Matt.19

[29] And every one who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name's sake, will receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life.

Luke.14

[28] For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it?

[33] So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.

9. On what is honorable among men:

Paul says:

2Cor.8

[21] for we aim at what is honorable not only in the Lord's sight but also in the sight of men.

Rom.12

[17] Repay no one evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all men.

Rom.14

[18] he who thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men.

1Cor.10

[33] just as I try to please all men in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.

Jesus says:

Luke.16

[15] But he said to them, You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts; for what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

Luke.6

[26] Woe to you, when all men speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.

10. On Dying:

Paul says:

I Corinthians 15

31: I protest, brethren, by my pride in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die every day!

Jesus says:

John 11

26: and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die.

11. On the basis of judgment:

Paul says:

Rom.2

[12] All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.

Jesus says:

John.12

[48] He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.

12. On the commandments and eternal life:                    

Paul says:

Rom.7

[9] I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died;

[10] the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me.

Jesus says:

Matt.19

[17] And he said to him, Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.

13. On your father:

Paul says:

1Cor.4

[15] For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

Phlm.1

[10] I appeal to you for my child, Ones'imus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment.

Jesus says:

Matt.23

[9] And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

14. On qualifying for eternal life:

Paul says:

Rom.5

[21] so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Jesus says:

John.5

[24] Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

 

 

[zombie]

But he claimed to be an apostle so... idk

1 Corinthians 15:9-10

9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.

An apostle is not really a prophet, when a prophet speaks it is as if god is speaking he tells you what will happen and it does. An apostle is more a teacher with powers than a prophet. Paul did many wonderful things, but to my memory no where in the bible did god speak directly through him and tell anybody what was going to happen if they did this or that. Paul spoke of jesus and the other prophets over and over again he refers to the O.T and it's laws and prophets but i find no place where he gave prophecy?

 

[zombie]

Fool.

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

study your goddamn bible

The bible says that you are a fool if you say their is no god.

We not talking about me right now. We talking about you clearly disobeying what the Bible says although you claim to follow it.

God wants you to tell the truth nothing is wrong with calling some one a fool when the bible say they are. prove me other wise if you can i am willing to bet you cannot.

The Bible also says there is nothing wrong with murdering homosexuals

The Bible also says that women should not be allowed to speak in church. Go to your local church and spread the gospel, young man

nothing is wrong with calling some one a fool when the bible say they are. prove me other wise if you can i am willing to bet you cannot.

whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

Jesus is talking about cursing someone in anger read the previous verse and put it together. i don't call atheist fools in anger, i call them fools because the bible says they are. The murdering of homosexuals was a good thing this law was given at a time it was needed. yes women should be silent in the church according to the law

1Cor: 34-35 . Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. By the way this is a letter from paul not a command from god paul was not a prophet but an apostle.

What about Thou shall not kill?

It's not killing god has a problem with it's murder. I like many people sometimes confuse killing with murder many times in the O.T God orders people to kill. I meant to say the killing of gays at that time was a good thing.

 

[zombie]

But he claimed to be an apostle so... idk

1 Corinthians 15:9-10

9 For I am the least of the apostles and do not even deserve to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace to me was not without effect. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me.

Contradictions. Contradictions. Contradictions.

Paul constantly contradicted Jesus. But he was an ex-Christian killer.

1. On the time of the coming of the Lord:

Paul says:

Rom.13

[12] the night is far gone, the day is at hand.

Jesus says:

Luke.21

 [8] Take heed that you are not led astray; for many will come in my name,

saying, . . . `The time is at hand!' Do not go after them.

2. On the source of the Truth and the true gospel:

Paul says:

1Cor.2

[13] And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who possess the Spirit.

Gal.1

[12] For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Jesus says:

John.17

[14] I have given them thy word;

[17] Sanctify them in the truth; thy word is truth.

3. On the God of the dead:

 

Paul says:

Rom.14

[9] For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

Jesus says:

Luke.20

[38] Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living;

4. On the sum of the commandments:

Paul says:

Rom.13

[9] The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Jesus says:

Matt.22

[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.

[38] This is the great and first commandment.

[39] And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

[40] On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.

5. On whom God has mercy:

Paul says:

Rom.9

[15] For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."

[16] So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy.

[18] So then he has mercy upon whomever he wills, and he hardens the heart of whomever he wills.

Jesus says:

Matt.5

[7] Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.

6. On forgiveness of trespasses:

Paul says:

Eph.1

[7] In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace

Rom.4

[25] who was put to death for our trespasses and raised for our justification.

Jesus says:

Matt.6

[14] For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you;

[15] but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

7. On being justified:

Paul says:

Rom.3

[24] they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,

[28] For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.

Rom.5

[9] Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

Jesus says:

Matt.12

[37] for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.

8. On the cost of eternal life:

Paul says:

Rom.6

[23] For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Jesus says:

Matt.19

[29] And every one who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name's sake, will receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life.

Luke.14

[28] For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it?

[33] So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple.

9. On what is honorable among men:

Paul says:

2Cor.8

[21] for we aim at what is honorable not only in the Lord's sight but also in the sight of men.

Rom.12

[17] Repay no one evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all men.

Rom.14

[18] he who thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men.

1Cor.10

[33] just as I try to please all men in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.

Jesus says:

Luke.16

[15] But he said to them, You are those who justify yourselves before men, but God knows your hearts; for what is exalted among men is an abomination in the sight of God.

Luke.6

[26] Woe to you, when all men speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.

10. On Dying:

Paul says:

I Corinthians 15

31: I protest, brethren, by my pride in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die every day!

Jesus says:

John 11

26: and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die.

11. On the basis of judgment:

Paul says:

Rom.2

[12] All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.

Jesus says:

John.12

[48] He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.

12. On the commandments and eternal life:                    

Paul says:

Rom.7

[9] I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died;

[10] the very commandment which promised life proved to be death to me.

Jesus says:

Matt.19

[17] And he said to him, Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.

13. On your father:

Paul says:

1Cor.4

[15] For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

Phlm.1

[10] I appeal to you for my child, Ones'imus, whose father I have become in my imprisonment.

Jesus says:

Matt.23

[9] And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

14. On qualifying for eternal life:

Paul says:

Rom.5

[21] so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Jesus says:

John.5

[24] Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

 

lOOK, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CUT THAT DOWN. I WOULD HAVE TO WRITE A BOOK TO EXPLAIN IT ALL TO YOU AT ONCE. You cannot just strip mine the bible and get it to make sense to you. By using quotes the way you do it leaves out context and meaning.

 

[God-I_Am_Ether]

Fool.

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

study your goddamn bible

The bible says that you are a fool if you say their is no god.

We not talking about me right now. We talking about you clearly disobeying what the Bible says although you claim to follow it.

God wants you to tell the truth nothing is wrong with calling some one a fool when the bible say they are. prove me other wise if you can i am willing to bet you cannot.

The Bible also says there is nothing wrong with murdering homosexuals

The Bible also says that women should not be allowed to speak in church. Go to your local church and spread the gospel, young man

nothing is wrong with calling some one a fool when the bible say they are. prove me other wise if you can i am willing to bet you cannot.

whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

Jesus is talking about cursing someone in anger read the previous verse and put it together. i don't call atheist fools in anger, i call them fools because the bible says they are. The murdering of homosexuals was a good thing this law was given at a time it was needed. yes women should be silent in the church according to the law

1Cor: 34-35 . Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. By the way this is a letter from paul not a command from god paul was not a prophet but an apostle.

What about Thou shall not kill?

It's not killing god has a problem with it's murder. I like many people sometimes confuse killing with murder many times in the O.T God orders people to kill. I meant to say the killing of gays at that time was a good thing.

Their you go changing your Gods words to fit what you want to believe.

Exodus 20:13

King James Version (KJV)

13 Thou shalt not kill.

Doesn't say thou shall not murder (even though it's the samething).

So how do you Kill someone without murdering them.

 

[Bodhi]

i find no place where he gave prophecy?

Acts 13:9-11

9 Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said, 10 “You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord? 11 Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind for a time, not even able to see the light of the sun.”

Immediately mist and darkness came over him, and he groped about, seeking someone to lead him by the hand.

 

[Bodhi]

It's not killing god has a problem with it's murder. I like many people sometimes confuse killing with murder many times in the O.T God orders people to kill. I meant to say the killing of gays at that time was a good thing.

So God wanted his creations to end the lives of the people he himself created? Killing has many negative effects on the human mind, both of the killer and anyone associated with the victim. Surely God knew this. Why didn't he just not create the people he knew would end up with a price on their heads at the end of the day? Oh, I forgot

Isaiah 45:17

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Exodus 21:12-14

12 “Anyone who strikes a person with a fatal blow is to be put to death. 13 However, if it is not done intentionally, but God lets it happen, they are to flee to a place I will designate. 14 But if anyone schemes and kills someone deliberately, that person is to be taken from my altar and put to death.

Even if you are taking orders from God, you are INTENTIONALLY and DELIBERATELY murdering by killing a homosexual or anyone that you feel deserves to be put to death because the Bible says so

 

[zombie]

Fool.

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

study your goddamn bible

The bible says that you are a fool if you say their is no god.

We not talking about me right now. We talking about you clearly disobeying what the Bible says although you claim to follow it.

God wants you to tell the truth nothing is wrong with calling some one a fool when the bible say they are. prove me other wise if you can i am willing to bet you cannot.

The Bible also says there is nothing wrong with murdering homosexuals

The Bible also says that women should not be allowed to speak in church. Go to your local church and spread the gospel, young man

nothing is wrong with calling some one a fool when the bible say they are. prove me other wise if you can i am willing to bet you cannot.

whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

Jesus is talking about cursing someone in anger read the previous verse and put it together. i don't call atheist fools in anger, i call them fools because the bible says they are. The murdering of homosexuals was a good thing this law was given at a time it was needed. yes women should be silent in the church according to the law

1Cor: 34-35 . Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. By the way this is a letter from paul not a command from god paul was not a prophet but an apostle.

What about Thou shall not kill?

It's not killing god has a problem with it's murder. I like many people sometimes confuse killing with murder many times in the O.T God orders people to kill. I meant to say the killing of gays at that time was a good thing.

Their you go changing your Gods words to fit what you want to believe.

Exodus 20:13

King James Version (KJV)

13 Thou shalt not kill.

Doesn't say thou shall not murder (even though it's the samething).

So how do you Kill someone without murdering them.

Murder and killing are not the same thing in hebrew or english. Only in the kjv is it called killing but that is wrong further study of the original jewish will tell you this. In there language they understood it to be murder ask a jew what that passage in the torah says and he will agree with me it's murder not killing. God has shown that he has no problem with punishment.

 

[God-I_Am_Ether]

INB4 god was talking about a different evil.

 

[Bodhi]

Murder and killing are not the same thing in hebrew or english. Only in the kjv is it called killing but that is wrong further study of the original jewish will tell you this. In there language they understood it to be murder ask a jew what that passage in the torah says and he will agree with me it's murder not killing. God has shown that he has no problem with punishment.

Murder is unjustifiable killing but then anyone could justify their murder and call it a killing. Just look through history.

We can define "unjustified" as this:

Adj. 1. unjustified - lacking justification or authorization; "desire for undue private profit"; "unwarranted limitations of personal freedom"

undue, unwarranted

unreasonable - not reasonable; not showing good judgment

So, to God, an eternal and infinitely wise spirit person, it is reasonable or showing good judgment to end the life (when all conscious beings value life) of a homosexual as opposed to practicing tolerance/acceptance?

Or, say, as long as God authorized a killing, it would be okay? How do we know what killings God has authorized? God isn't speaking to humanity as a whole and letting us know who to let off the hook for a murder because he said it was cool. Anybody who claims to have spoken with God will tell you it is a personal thing. Everybody can't hear him. So how do we know whether or not the voice in their heads telling them to "drown the babies because Satan has corrupted them" was really God? Maybe we should go to someone like the church pastor to have him personally pray and talk to God before we commit such acts of violence?

 

[zombie]

It's not killing god has a problem with it's murder. I like many people sometimes confuse killing with murder many times in the O.T God orders people to kill. I meant to say the killing of gays at that time was a good thing.

So God wanted his creations to end the lives of the people he himself created? Killing has many negative effects on the human mind, both of the killer and anyone associated with the victim. Surely God knew this. Why didn't he just not create the people he knew would end up with a price on their heads at the end of the day? Oh, I forgot



Yes god wanted to punish those of his children who do wrong. All people deserve a chance to live rightly all of us can murder god would have to not create anybody with freewill to remove that chance.

Isaiah 45:17

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

God indirectly creates evil by the creation of creatures with freewill. but evil is not a created thing .This verse displays that truth god is making a contrast, Stop using the kjv you don't speak old english so the meanings are lost to you here is what a more modern version says.

isa: 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. 45:17 does not say what you wrote.

Exodus 21:12-14

12 “Anyone who strikes a person with a fatal blow is to be put to death. 13 However, if it is not done intentionally, but God lets it happen, they are to flee to a place I will designate. 14 But if anyone schemes and kills someone deliberately, that person is to be taken from my altar and put to death.

Even if you are taking orders from God, you are INTENTIONALLY and DELIBERATELY murdering by killing a homosexual or anyone that you feel deserves to be put to death because the Bible says so

No in the O.T killing is O.K if it is by the laws period it's not more complex than that.

 

[zombie]

Murder and killing are not the same thing in hebrew or english. Only in the kjv is it called killing but that is wrong further study of the original jewish will tell you this. In there language they understood it to be murder ask a jew what that passage in the torah says and he will agree with me it's murder not killing. God has shown that he has no problem with punishment.

Murder is unjustifiable killing but then anyone could justify their murder and call it a killing. Just look through history.

We can define "unjustified" as this:

Adj. 1. unjustified - lacking justification or authorization; "desire for undue private profit"; "unwarranted limitations of personal freedom"

undue, unwarranted

unreasonable - not reasonable; not showing good judgment

So, to God, an eternal and infinitely wise spirit person, it is reasonable or showing good judgment to end the life (when all conscious beings value life) of a homosexual as opposed to practicing tolerance/acceptance?

Or, say, as long as God authorized a killing, it would be okay? How do we know what killings God has authorized? God isn't speaking to humanity as a whole and letting us know who to let off the hook for a murder because he said it was cool. Anybody who claims to have spoken with God will tell you it is a personal thing. Everybody can't hear him. So how do we know whether or not the voice in their heads telling them to "drown the babies because Satan has corrupted them" was really God? Maybe we should go to someone like the church pastor to have him personally pray and talk to God before we commit such acts of violence?

In the old law God told man when killing is authorized. today we use the law of love as expressed by jesuss our main source of law. In other words back then the laws were for a nation today the law is personal. IF IT'S NOT LOVE WE KNOW IT'S NOT FROM GOD VERY SIMPLE. IF YOU WANT TO RECOGNIZE LOVE YOU HAVE TO KNOW JESUS.

 

[Bodhi]

No in the O.T killing is O.K if it is by the laws period it's not more complex than that.

Who's laws? the laws of the government/rulers of that time?

Because if God says "thou shalt not murder (but killing is okay if your government or ruler allows it)", not only does that sound extremely fishy, but in essence, God is following the law of man.

Exodus 21:12 says intention is the key and determing factor as to whether a killing is justifiable or not. Intentionally killing a homosexual is therefore a murder by definition of our current dictionary and your god's word.