As a christian, is there a such thing as putting too much emphasis on christ?

[judahxulu]

Way to dance around the question. You dissected the use of the words "us" and "child" but not the specific ones that I cited that point to this being an individual ie: everlasting Father and Prince of Peace.

The part about establishing it with judgement and justice HENCEFORTH EVEN FOR EVER.......sounds like a "singular" Messiah to me.

PEACE

Not dancing at all. But to make it more plain, theres no proof that these epithets refer to Yeshua and if they do it doesn't support certain manmade doctrines/interpretations such as the trinity or an anointed personage being the totality of the Most High. Just not enough there in those verses or any other works of a bonafide prophet to support that. Either way I'm safe. I dont reject any of the teachings attributed to Yeshua that are in line with the Law and the Testimony. Nothing in the scriptures that even remotely suggests that calling on YHWH is wrong but there is plenty there that calls certain dogmas and traditions of modern Christianity into question. The focal point for me is that the wages of sin are death. Grace can be a buffer zone to prevent instantaneous death but grace is not an abdication of personal responsibility.

Oh, i just thought of something on the "Everlasting Father" tip....

Matt. 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

You cant really make that fit with Isaiah 9. That'd be a mighty reach.

 

[The True Flesh]

theres no proof that these epithets refer to Yeshua and if they do it doesn't support certain manmade doctrines/interpretations such as the trinity or an anointed personage being the totality of the Most High.

Lukewarm^^^^^

Either way I'm safe.

^^^^^Totally a matter of personal opinion and irrelevant to the discussion

I dont reject any of the teachings attributed to Yeshua that are in line with the Law and the Testimony. Nothing in the scriptures that even remotely suggests that calling on YHWH is wrong but there is plenty there that calls certain dogmas and traditions of modern Christianity into question. The focal point for me is that the wages of sin are death. Grace can be a buffer zone to prevent instantaneous death but grace is not an abdication of personal responsibility.

I follow the Bible not traditions of modern anything^^^^^^^

.......and as far as abdication of personal responsibility, you must be getting this confused with a discussion you had with somebody else, because I never even loosely suggested anything like that.

Oh, i just thought of something on the "Everlasting Father" tip....

Matt. 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

You cant really make that fit with Isaiah 9. That'd be a mighty reach.

A mighty reach is right^^^^^^^

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:56-58

How do you explain Yeshua saying this^^^^^^^

PEACE

 

[judahxulu]

Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.

Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:56-58

How do you explain Yeshua saying this^^^^^^^

PEACE

The second Adam. In the image of YHWH Elohim. The old prototype rebooted without the previous glitches.

 

[DRO]

the second adam. In the image of yhwh elohim. The old prototype rebooted without the previous glitches.

ayy treach from naught by nature, are u muslim?

 

[judahxulu]

ayy treach from naught by nature, are u muslim?

Damn..LOL...Do I really look that much like Treach? LMBAO!!!

But to answer your question.. no.

Why do you ask, o ye random insulter?

 

[DRO]

damn..lol...do i really look that much like treach? Lmbao!!!

But to answer your question.. No.

Why do you ask, o ye random insulter?

just askin, look like you got the kufi on... What is your religion/who's teachings do you follow?

 

[And Step]

Damn..LOL...Do I really look that much like Treach? LMBAO!!!

ennhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?!?!?

 

[DRO]

ennhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?!?!?

hahahahahaha, yeah, thats him!

 

[judahxulu]

just askin, look like you got the kufi on... What is your religion/who's teachings do you follow?

No religion. Im an African Hebrew Israelite.

 

[judahxulu]

ennhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?!?!?

LOL! Youre as cold as ice....LOL...I cant even say nothing...Damn..

 

[DRO]

lol! Youre as cold as ice....lol...i cant even say nothing...damn..

hahahaha ayyye... Yall twins 4 real.. Hahaha

 

[kids in america_]

Meaning...

In church, speaking to ones self, praying, etc.. Christians call out on jesus for everything, more so than they do god...

God is to be worshipped and not jesus, right or wrong?

Yes jesus is the savior but god is the creator and i know that you cant get to god w/o going through
jesus.

So with that being said, is it a sin or bad to; how can i say this... Replace christ with god?

Jesus can be 'worshiped' (Mat 8:2; 9:18; 14:33 and 15:25).

 

[kids in america_]

and that's where you fucked up.

I'm not a Muslim in any way, shape or form.

I simply state historic fact. You have no facts to back you up and, like a typical Christian, when they're presented to you (everything I said can be researched and verified), all you do is say "well... I believe..."

That's nice... You believe... How about believing the TRUTH.

Truth: Yeshua(PBUH) was a Jew. He lived his life as a Jew, he prayed as a Jew, he died a Jew.

Truth: Christians ignore this fact about Yeshua(PBUH) and concoct every excuse under the sun to NOT follow his teachings unless it happens to fit their lifestyle.

Truth: The vast majority of the New Testament was written by a man that had a vested interest in the destruction of the Christian church. Yet you follow this man's teachings even though they completely usurp the teachings of Yeshua(PBUH) given to us while he was alive.



The Jew, Muslim, and Baha'i know of the corruption of the Christian Bible and try to persuade the Christian to follow that which has not been corrupted my man's hand. The Christian refuses and continues to place himself further from God's grace.

1.) I disagree. When Jesus started his ministry, he was not a practicing Jew.

2.) What is the history on the supposed conflict between Jesus, Paul, and the Christian church?

 

[judahxulu]

1.) I disagree. When Jesus started his ministry, he was not a practicing Jew.

2.) What is the history on the supposed conflict between Jesus, Paul, and the Christian church?

1) Agreed. Judaism did not exist at that time

2) Ummmm...the New Testament perhaps?

 

[DRO]

Jesus can be 'worshiped' (Mat 8:2; 9:18; 14:33 and 15:25).

Mat 8:2 - NOT BEING WORSHIPPED IN THIS VERSE, ONLY BEING SHOWED RESPECT

9:18 - SAME THING, THEY ARE NOT WORSHIPPIN JESUS, THEY RECOGNIZE HIM FOR WHO HE IS BUT THEY ARE NOT WORSHIPPIN HIM, ONLY ASKIN FOR A DEED OR FAVOR

14:33 - YES, THEY DID FALL TO THEIR KNEES AND WORSHIP JESUS SAYING HE IS THE SON OF GOD...

15:25 - SAME AS THE 1ST TWO

 

[kids in america_]

1) Agreed. Judaism did not exist at that time

2) Ummmm...the New Testament perhaps?

Paul and Jesus: where’s the conflict?

 

[kids in america_]

Mat 8:2 - NOT BEING WORSHIPPED IN THIS VERSE, ONLY BEING SHOWED RESPECT
9:18 - SAME THING, THEY ARE NOT WORSHIPPIN JESUS, THEY RECOGNIZE HIM FOR WHO HE IS BUT THEY ARE NOT WORSHIPPIN HIM, ONLY ASKIN FOR A DEED OR FAVOR
14:33 - YES, THEY DID FALL TO THEIR KNEES AND WORSHIP JESUS SAYING HE IS THE SON OF GOD...
15:25 - SAME AS THE 1ST TWO

::scratches head::


All the selected verses explicitly say Jesus was ‘worshipped’.

 

[judahxulu]

Paul and Jesus: where’s the conflict?

No time to type now. Watch and we will discuss later.

[video=youtube;x8PZCA47hS8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8PZCA47hS8[/video]

[video=youtube;d9uTnSDEtY4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9uTnSDEtY4[/video]

[video=youtube;8Rjf8YCBkl4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rjf8YCBkl4[/video]

 

[DRO]

::scratches head::



all the selected verses explicitly say jesus was ‘worshipped’.

no they dont, they ony say kneeled down and the people asked something from jesus.... What version are you reading?

14:33 is the only one that says they worshipped

 

[kids in america_]

no they dont, they ony say kneeled down and the people asked something from jesus.... What version are you reading?

14:33 is the only one that says they worshipped

^^^

Is this not worship? Kneeling down is a form of worship. For example: When Catholics kneel down and kiss the Pope’s ring, that’s… worship.