As a christian, is there a such thing as putting too much emphasis on christ?

[konceptjones]

Coming from a muslim, I would expect such things. Repent and believe the gospel my brother.

and that's where you fucked up.

I'm not a Muslim in any way, shape or form.

I simply state historic fact. You have no facts to back you up and, like a typical Christian, when they're presented to you (everything I said can be researched and verified), all you do is say "well... I believe..."

That's nice... You believe... How about believing the TRUTH.

Truth: Yeshua(PBUH) was a Jew. He lived his life as a Jew, he prayed as a Jew, he died a Jew.

Truth: Christians ignore this fact about Yeshua(PBUH) and concoct every excuse under the sun to NOT follow his teachings unless it happens to fit their lifestyle.

Truth: The vast majority of the New Testament was written by a man that had a vested interest in the destruction of the Christian church. Yet you follow this man's teachings even though they completely usurp the teachings of Yeshua(PBUH) given to us while he was alive.

The Jew, Muslim, and Baha'i know of the corruption of the Christian Bible and try to persuade the Christian to follow that which has not been corrupted my man's hand. The Christian refuses and continues to place himself further from God's grace.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

listen bro..

I understand the whole, you go through jesus to get to god thing...
But
im talkin bout those that dont personally acknowlege god the father and just mention/pray/talk to the son with out mention'n the father...is that a sin or not?

You have to understand that without Jesus Christ, there is no communication with the Father. Jesus Christ bridged the gap between the Father and humanity because He paid the penalty for our sins. If it wasn't for Jesus Christ dying for the sins of the world, we would all still be dead in our trespasses and sins, without hope in this world.

 

[judahxulu]

Incorrect. The matter of whether Yeshua(PBUH) was, in fact, God or man was decided BY MEN, not by The Divine. Prior to the convening of the First Nicaean Council, there were two beliefs regarding Yeshua(PBUH)

The first was that of Arius, a church leader from Egypt. This belief was that the concept of Christ is that the Son of God did not always exist, but was created by, and is therefore distinct from and inferior to, God. There were, and still are, many that follow this. Indeed the reach of this view was quite widespread throughout the Mediterranean, as his followers had influence there and beyond.

The second was that of Alexander of Alexandria, that Yeshua(PBUH) was the same as God.

This matter was settled, so to speak, during the First Nicaean Council, convened in 325AD by the Roman Emperor Constantine. The debate over this raged on for over two months, with one famous incident where Nicholas of Myra (later known as St Nicholas... Then later known as Santa Clause) assaulted Aruis over the matter. Ultimately, the matter was settled (with Constantine's "influence", I might add) and the view of Alexander (later St Alexander) was adopted as mainstream.

To speak on something like this, you must first know the history of it. Without it, you can never say you "know" something to be true.

The Ebionites had it right. Paul is the origin of all this confusion. He's not a prophet or a priest yet his words have authority to folks. Weird wild stuff.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

once again, your example is including god.. Im talkin just straight jesus the son, no mention of the father.

what are you talking about? The passage of scripture is telling you why people do everything in the name of Jesus Christ. When you do that, you are giving thanks to God and the Father by Him. It's as simple as 2+2 my friend.

 

[konceptjones]

The Ebionites had it right. Paul is the origin of all this confusion. He's not a prophet or a priest yet his words have authority to folks. Weird wild stuff.

^^^ Sees it.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

once again, your example is including god.. Im talkin just straight jesus the son, no mention of the father.

"And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him."

Practice the message of jesus(the way," his name sake"), but give all thanks to god.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

and that's where you fucked up.

I'm not a Muslim in any way, shape or form.

I simply state historic fact. You have no facts to back you up and, like a typical Christian, when they're presented to you (everything I said can be researched and verified), all you do is say "well... I believe..."

That's nice... You believe... How about believing the TRUTH.

Truth: Yeshua(PBUH) was a Jew. He lived his life as a Jew, he prayed as a Jew, he died a Jew.
Truth: Christians ignore this fact about Yeshua(PBUH) and concoct every excuse under the sun to NOT follow his teachings unless it happens to fit their lifestyle.
Truth: The vast majority of the New Testament was written by a man that had a vested interest in the destruction of the Christian church. Yet you follow this man's teachings even though they completely usurp the teachings of Yeshua(PBUH) given to us while he was alive.

The Jew, Muslim, and Baha'i know of the corruption of the Christian Bible and try to persuade the Christian to follow that which has not been corrupted my man's hand. The Christian refuses and continues to place himself further from God's grace.

I apologize for saying you were a muslim. I assumed you were because you used the term (PBUH) which is what I always hear muslims use. But in regards to what you said, your grossly misinformed. The author of confusion, Satan, has made you doubt Gods word. I see right through it my friend. And my prayer is that the chains of darkness, which satan has blinded you by, will be lifted so that the glorious light of the gospel of truth can shine bright in your life. In Jesus name I pray, Amen.

"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

 

[judahxulu]

^^^ Sees it.

The dude didnt even know Yeshua. Pauls meeting with Yeshua on the road to Damascus = the barber Clarence from Coming to Americas encounter with MLK Jr. They need more people...Im not buying it. Thats why Ya'acov (James in the Bible) laid him out in that letter(epistle). Whats even more jacked up is the canonical gospels were written after what Paul wrote. They jumbled the chronology of the NT on purpose.

 

[bigbabyjebus]

Damn what i don't get is why Christians can't just see the obvious. They use a bible that has impure translation... the believe in doctrines that CHristians of the 1st century did not believe.
The Trinity doctrine is total blasphemy as well yet it is accepted by people who refuse to look at history.

Now one dude made fun of the Jehobah Witnesses yet the seem of all christians to atleast be the closest in their understanding of the Old and New testament.

THis one guy is crazy though, like he is some type of brainwashed soldier

 

[bigbabyjebus]

I would however like for one of you to explain how Paul usurped the teachings of the Christ.

 

[killa_muhfucka]

I wish we could merge this thread with the other one... but is there anyone else here who has an understanding of Greek? If so, please let me know your take on John 1:1.

 

[konceptjones]

I apologize for saying you were a muslim. I assumed you were because you used the term (PBUH) which is what I always hear muslims use. But in regards to what you said, your grossly misinformed. The author of confusion, Satan, has made you doubt Gods word. I see right through it my friend. And my prayer is that the chains of darkness, which satan has blinded you by, will be lifted so that the glorious light of the gospel of truth can shine bright in your life. In Jesus name I pray, Amen.



"But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians 4:3-4

and, as I said earlier... When you say "In Jesus' name", you're not calling out to anyone... so why do you continue this?

 

[killa_muhfucka]

and, as I said earlier... When you say "In Jesus' name", you're not calling out to anyone... so why do you continue this?

THis dude is extremely unbalanced.. the type that would join a fringe group. We have been through this whole discussion for 20 pages in another thread.

The Trinity is a false doctrine
Jesus is not God or part of a triune God
THere is no eternal burning hell.

ALl these points have been thoroughly explained from the scriptures... he won't accept it.

Is a little research to much to ask, the bible praises the Bereans because they "search through scriptures to see if these things were true". This cat and nearly every other so-called Christian I run into is the same way.

 

[Arya Tsaddiq]

I really domn't think "Jesus" is God. The scripture DoU posted where he said those who have seen me have seen the father was not literal. he was referring to the fact that him doing the will of the father figuratively gave a picture of whop the father is. Not literally.

Even from is OWN mouth in Luke 18: 19, "Jesus" says:

"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none [is] good, save one, [that is], God."

Now how could he be God, then say something like this?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I would however like for one of you to explain how Paul usurped the teachings of the Christ.

You even thinking this tells me that your knowledge of the word of God is very limited.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

and, as I said earlier... When you say "In Jesus' name", you're not calling out to anyone... so why do you continue this?

Because there is one mediator between the Father and man, the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

THis dude is extremely unbalanced.. the type that would join a fringe group. We have been through this whole discussion for 20 pages in another thread.

The Trinity is a false doctrine
Jesus is not God or part of a triune God
THere is no eternal burning hell.'

ALl these points have been thoroughly explained from the scriptures... he won't accept it.

Is a little research to much to ask, the bible praises the Bereans because they "search through scriptures to see if these things were true". This cat and nearly every other so-called Christian I run into is the same way.

Your not a christian if you willingly and knowingly deny those 3 truths. Those are elementary truths that even babes in Christ understand. Anybody who claims that Jesus Christ is not God in the flesh is Antichrist. I didn't say it. God said it.

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist." 2 John 1:7

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I really domn't think "Jesus" is God. The scripture DoU posted where he said those who have seen me have seen the father was not literal. he was referring to the fact that him doing the will of the father figuratively gave a picture of whop the father is. Not literally.

Even from is OWN mouth in Luke 18: 19, "Jesus" says:

"And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none [is] good, save one, [that is], God."

Now how could he be God, then say something like this?

I am going to make a thread that will show clearly that Jesus Christ claimed to be God over and over and over and over again in the word of God. Please comment in there.

 

[tri3w]

come on reggie bush lil brother...

Jesus is not god, and u know it...

Im not saying that jesus should be emphasised, but people (and you) actually think god and jesus is the same and they're not...

Jesus even calls god his father and jesus doesnt even know when the world will end, but his father does.

ok............so how do u explain him sayin that him and the Father is One

 

[konceptjones]

Because there is one mediator between the Father and man, the Lord Jesus Christ.

but his name was not Jesus... so exactly who are you referring to???