Are the Founding Fathers Writings on Freedom and Liberty Applicable to Black People?

[JJ_Evans]

This, the constitution, star spangled banner, declaration of independence, etc........

All of that shit needs to be scrapped and replaced with something that more accurately describes the various ethnicities that reside in this Country now.

 

[The_Jackal]

The truth is that it's a multi-faceted answer. It depends strictly on what founding fathers you are referring to. Of the 55 constitutional delegates over 25 of them owned slaves. Then you have people like Thomas Jefferson who in his writings denounces slavery as an unjust evil, yet continue to keep slaves. And you have people in North who fought against slaveyou simply because economical it was in their interest to.

 

[Maximus Rex]

This, the constitution, star spangled banner, declaration of independence, etc........

All of that shit needs to be scrapped and replaced with something that more accurately describes the various ethnicities that reside in this Country now.

As founding documents what is wrong with the Constitution and Declaration of Independence? What are we supposed to replace our government with?

 

[MazterChef]

i dont think any group arab, asian , latino or even white take any law at face value.

Having this convo is kind of stupid

 

[CashmoneyDux]

Ive taken courses on this discussion.

Short answer: No

Ill provide a long answer for anyone who wants one.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Ive taken courses on this discussion.

Short answer: No

Ill provide a long answer for anyone who wants one.

I'm trying to hear it.

 

[Colin$mackabi$h]

Imo the originators (of all races) of this/any country shared its beliefs of/within the nation good and bad.

The next generation after them can either follow or create they own rules and laws of the times

The generation after that can choose the same

And so on and so on

 

[zzombie]

The beliefs of people can be adhered to by another people once modified to fit their cause.

White people don't have a fucking problem copying other peoples ideals and making it their own in every military school in the western world SUN ZU is studied YOU THINK whites or asians give a fuck???

 

[Ilike2get baked]

It's this simple for me...when these documents were written, (Constitution, Declaration of Independence, National Anthem, etc) they were written by wealthy white males for white males. Any person of color was excluded from these documents. If they did apply to us then why did it take until 1964 for us to be legally able to vote?

 

[leftcoastkev]

Weren't black ppl considered 3/5s of a person by the "founding fathers"?

If so, why would you expect the liberties and expectations set in the nations rules apply?

It's like calling a family meeting about a raise and job promotion you got and your dog expecting a better bowl and more space in the backyard.

 

[CeLLaR-DooR]

The beliefs of people can be adhered to by another people once modified to fit their cause.

White people don't have a fucking problem copying other peoples ideals and making it their own in every military school in the western world SUN ZU is studied YOU THINK whites or asians give a fuck???

Cosign man good ideas are good ideas

Good speech, I'd never read it. Some dope lines in there.

Fuck him tho'

 

[Copper]

"We hold these truths to be self evident...all men are created equal...now go get me a sandwich nigger or I'll kill ya"

 

[jono]

Only one I care about is Paine. That said, intellectually they were correct but the hypocrisy in continuing to own slaves is real.

This is where the bullshit response of them being "men of their time," comes in. They detached slaves from free people and devalued them to property in order to prevent that hypocrisy.

 

[Plutarch]

Didn't read op but hope to later, though I might never get around to it.

As for the question, I believe the answer is an obvious yes. There's just a difference between theory and practice.

I believe that the U.S. Constitution, or perhaps rather what the U.S. Constitution was originally based on, was not only revolutionary (in a good way) but incredibly progressive and brilliant. Unfortunately, the founding fathers did not live up to those ideals.

I don't think that means that we should discard those ideals. I believe those ideals are important and universal regardless of one's race.

 

[Plutarch]

The truth is that it's a multi-faceted answer. It depends strictly on what founding fathers you are referring to. Of the 55 constitutional delegates over 25 of them owned slaves. Then you have people like Thomas Jefferson who in his writings denounces slavery as an unjust evil, yet continue to keep slaves. And you have people in North who fought against slaveyou simply because economical it was in their interest to.

Agreed. You can add John Adams, who apparently never owned slaves but, at one time, was an attorney who successfully defended a slave owner's "right" to take back one of his slaves.

 

[R0mp]

It is ours and fully ours but it was never intended to be ours outside of anything not involving subservient, inferior, & dependent roles and positions. Upward mobility, acquiring resources and economic & political power was met by stifling through suppression and restriction by law, force, and intimidation.

 

[skpjr78]

Check the historical record and see if their SLAVES thought their writings and speeches about freedom and liberty applied to them.

 

[_God_]

Go get me a sandwich nigger or I'll kill you

 

[b'mer...]

Being that the majority of them owned slaves....

 

[thegreatunknown]

No...read Art I, section 2, Article I, section 9...Art 4, section 2, any of the debates on incorporation, any of the debates on the 15th Amendment, The Civil Rights cases of 1883 and how the founding father writings are often cited as proof that liberty does NOT apply to black people...I could go on and on..but I gotta finish my Con Law reading...