Are People In Their 30s, 40s and 50s Not Supposed To Have An Opinion?

[CapitalB]

You can't have it both ways. You can't say your Mt Rushmore is Pac, Nas, Jay and Big in one breath and in the next breath say that older people don't have a valid opinion regarding Hip Hop, new or old.

Nas, Jay, Big and 2Pac were born between 1968 and 1973. Their ages range between 44 and 49.

There isn't anybody born after 1990 that is going to replace those four on Mt Rushmore.

Cube >>> Nas

Shutcho yo old ass up

Cube is more impactful to the genre than Nas will ever be..

 

[5 Grand]

You can't have it both ways. You can't say your Mt Rushmore is Pac, Nas, Jay and Big in one breath and in the next breath say that older people don't have a valid opinion regarding Hip Hop, new or old.

Nas, Jay, Big and 2Pac were born between 1968 and 1973. Their ages range between 44 and 49.

There isn't anybody born after 1990 that is going to replace those four on Mt Rushmore.

Cube >>> Nas

Shutcho yo old ass up

Cube is more impactful to the genre than Nas will ever be..

Out of curiosity, how would you measure impact?

 

[Matike85]

You can't have it both ways. You can't say your Mt Rushmore is Pac, Nas, Jay and Big in one breath and in the next breath say that older people don't have a valid opinion regarding Hip Hop, new or old.

Nas, Jay, Big and 2Pac were born between 1968 and 1973. Their ages range between 44 and 49.

There isn't anybody born after 1990 that is going to replace those four on Mt Rushmore.

Cube >>> Nas

Shutcho yo old ass up

Cube is more impactful to the genre than Nas will ever be..

Exactly... Cube because is from the West Coast.... "The Reason Community" on This site suffers from East Coast Bias syndrome.

 

[5 Grand]

You can't have it both ways. You can't say your Mt Rushmore is Pac, Nas, Jay and Big in one breath and in the next breath say that older people don't have a valid opinion regarding Hip Hop, new or old.

Nas, Jay, Big and 2Pac were born between 1968 and 1973. Their ages range between 44 and 49.

There isn't anybody born after 1990 that is going to replace those four on Mt Rushmore.

Cube >>> Nas

Shutcho yo old ass up

Cube is more impactful to the genre than Nas will ever be..

Exactly... Cube because is from the West Coast.... The IC suffer from East Coast Bias syndrome.

I'm just going to come straight out and say it:

NWA and Cube were dope for their time. But the art of rapping/MCing evolved between 1988-1998. Ice Cube had a nice 4/5 album run (depending if you count Kill At Will). But Cube raps at half the speed that Nas raps.

While I agree that Cube made a big impact in American pop culture, Nas is a better rapper. Illmatic and Lethal Injection were one year apart and Nas's wordplay and flow was eons ahead of Cube (e.g. Life's A B!tch and One Love). The difference between Cube and Nas is like the difference between Blues and Rock N Roll. Blues is cool and there's nothing wrong with it, but Rock N Roll was faster. Once Rock N Roll took off, Blues seemed country.

I was in Boston during the East/West beef. We thought the West Coast rappers rapped slow and basic while the East Coast rappers rapped at twice the speed. Granted, the other 49 states liked the slow rapping better and it sold more, but Nas, Big, Raekwon, Meth, Ghost, AZ, Jay were doing things with the mic that cats on the West Coast weren't doing.

For example, compare Natural Born Killers to Life's A B!tch



Natural Born Killaz had a dope beat and the lyrics were cool, but Nas and AZ were rapping at twice the speed of Cube and Dre.

 

[a_list]

The most bias cats always crying East Coast Bias.....

 

[Go figure]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but understand that the younger generation runs this music shit. The old vs new is a cycle every generation goes thru. These young guys gonna be talkin that same shit when they hit 30. Its all irrelevant tho.

Everything theyre hearing is new to their developing minds. They relate to today's music bc its current to their experiences. By age 30 we heard 100s of rappers rap about 100s of subjects so the older we get we stop caring about new shit cuz to us it all sounds the same already. So we just stick to what we know add in a little nostalgia and continue to be farther removed from the current scene.

Its supposed to be that way. What intrigues me more these days is when i hear younger guys bring up some of the rappers i was into growing up. And wondering what a rapper like Nas or Pac would sound like to me if i was just turning 18 in 2017. For all i know i wouldnt even fuck with them like that.

 

[Matike85]

You can't have it both ways. You can't say your Mt Rushmore is Pac, Nas, Jay and Big in one breath and in the next breath say that older people don't have a valid opinion regarding Hip Hop, new or old.

Nas, Jay, Big and 2Pac were born between 1968 and 1973. Their ages range between 44 and 49.

There isn't anybody born after 1990 that is going to replace those four on Mt Rushmore.

Cube >>> Nas

Shutcho yo old ass up

Cube is more impactful to the genre than Nas will ever be..

Exactly... Cube because is from the West Coast.... The IC suffer from East Coast Bias syndrome.

I'm just going to come straight out and say it:

NWA and Cube were dope for their time. But the art of rapping/MCing evolved between 1988-1998. Ice Cube had a nice 4/5 album run (depending if you count Kill At Will). But Cube raps at half the speed that Nas raps.

While I agree that Cube made a big impact in American pop culture, Nas is a better rapper. Illmatic and Lethal Injection were one year apart and Nas's wordplay and flow was eons ahead of Cube (e.g. Life's A B!tch and One Love). The difference between Cube and Nas is like the difference between Blues and Rock N Roll. Blues is cool and there's nothing wrong with it, but Rock N Roll was faster. Once Rock N Roll took off, Blues seemed country.

I was in Boston during the East/West beef. We thought the West Coast rappers rapped slow and basic while the East Coast rappers rapped at twice the speed. Granted, the other 49 states liked the slow rapping better and it sold more, but Nas, Big, Raekwon, Meth, Ghost, AZ, Jay were doing things with the mic that cats on the West Coast weren't doing.

For example, compare Natural Born Killers to Life's A B!tch



Natural Born Killaz had a dope beat and the lyrics were cool, but Nas and AZ were rapping at twice the speed of Cube and Dre.

First off Dr.Dre was never considered a top tier rapper...The DOC was is writer... And Boston/ Cambridge is the birthplace for "The Source Magazine" by Dave Mays. That where the East Coast Bias syndrome mindset started from that 5 Mics album status ranking...Ice Cube was the only. 5 mic artist from the West Coast ...That's where it started and that's East Coast Bias

 

[5 Grand]

You can't have it both ways. You can't say your Mt Rushmore is Pac, Nas, Jay and Big in one breath and in the next breath say that older people don't have a valid opinion regarding Hip Hop, new or old.

Nas, Jay, Big and 2Pac were born between 1968 and 1973. Their ages range between 44 and 49.

There isn't anybody born after 1990 that is going to replace those four on Mt Rushmore.

Cube >>> Nas

Shutcho yo old ass up

Cube is more impactful to the genre than Nas will ever be..

Exactly... Cube because is from the West Coast.... The IC suffer from East Coast Bias syndrome.

I'm just going to come straight out and say it:

NWA and Cube were dope for their time. But the art of rapping/MCing evolved between 1988-1998. Ice Cube had a nice 4/5 album run (depending if you count Kill At Will). But Cube raps at half the speed that Nas raps.

While I agree that Cube made a big impact in American pop culture, Nas is a better rapper. Illmatic and Lethal Injection were one year apart and Nas's wordplay and flow was eons ahead of Cube (e.g. Life's A B!tch and One Love). The difference between Cube and Nas is like the difference between Blues and Rock N Roll. Blues is cool and there's nothing wrong with it, but Rock N Roll was faster. Once Rock N Roll took off, Blues seemed country.

I was in Boston during the East/West beef. We thought the West Coast rappers rapped slow and basic while the East Coast rappers rapped at twice the speed. Granted, the other 49 states liked the slow rapping better and it sold more, but Nas, Big, Raekwon, Meth, Ghost, AZ, Jay were doing things with the mic that cats on the West Coast weren't doing.

For example, compare Natural Born Killers to Life's A B!tch



Natural Born Killaz had a dope beat and the lyrics were cool, but Nas and AZ were rapping at twice the speed of Cube and Dre.

First off Dr.Dre was never considered a top tier rapper...The DOC was is writer... And Boston/ Cambridge is the birthplace for "The Source Magazine" by Dave Mays. That where the East Coast Bias syndrome mindset started from that 5 Mics album status ranking

Well I don't know who wrote Natural Born Killaz. I'm assuming Cube wrote the whole thing, but I guess its possible that DOC wrote Dre's verse. But regardless, they were rapping at half the speed of Nas and AZ. You have to admit that much. And once you acknowledge that, its not being bias, its just a matter of preferring faster, more complicated rap styles rather than slow basic rapping.

Back in the 50s when Blues and Rock N Roll were coexisting cats up North liked Rock N Roll while cats down South were still listening to Blues. Its not regional bias, it doesn't have anything to do with region or geographical location, but cats up North liked Rock N Roll because it was faster. Its that simple, geography has nothing to do with it.

And btw, I used to listen to Dave Mays and Jon Schecter when they had their show on 95.3. Whenever you called in to request a song they'd ask for your name and address for a newsletter they were putting together. That newsletter was The Source. I remember getting the very first edition in the mail.

 

[bck145]

You can't have it both ways. You can't say your Mt Rushmore is Pac, Nas, Jay and Big in one breath and in the next breath say that older people don't have a valid opinion regarding Hip Hop, new or old.

Nas, Jay, Big and 2Pac were born between 1968 and 1973. Their ages range between 44 and 49.

There isn't anybody born after 1990 that is going to replace those four on Mt Rushmore.

Cube >>> Nas

Shutcho yo old ass up

Cube is more impactful to the genre than Nas will ever be..

Exactly... Cube because is from the West Coast.... The IC suffer from East Coast Bias syndrome.

I'm just going to come straight out and say it:

NWA and Cube were dope for their time. But the art of rapping/MCing evolved between 1988-1998. Ice Cube had a nice 4/5 album run (depending if you count Kill At Will). But Cube raps at half the speed that Nas raps.

While I agree that Cube made a big impact in American pop culture, Nas is a better rapper. Illmatic and Lethal Injection were one year apart and Nas's wordplay and flow was eons ahead of Cube (e.g. Life's A B!tch and One Love). The difference between Cube and Nas is like the difference between Blues and Rock N Roll. Blues is cool and there's nothing wrong with it, but Rock N Roll was faster. Once Rock N Roll took off, Blues seemed country.

I was in Boston during the East/West beef. We thought the West Coast rappers rapped slow and basic while the East Coast rappers rapped at twice the speed. Granted, the other 49 states liked the slow rapping better and it sold more, but Nas, Big, Raekwon, Meth, Ghost, AZ, Jay were doing things with the mic that cats on the West Coast weren't doing.

For example, compare Natural Born Killers to Life's A B!tch



Natural Born Killaz had a dope beat and the lyrics were cool, but Nas and AZ were rapping at twice the speed of Cube and Dre.

Uve used the speed of rapping before...if im reading that correctly then bone thugs and twista would be the best ever

While i agree nas is a better rapper than cube and more consistent discography.....cubes subject matter and way of laying it out is superior to nas....and subject matter should be more important than lyrical ability

 

[5 Grand]

You can't have it both ways. You can't say your Mt Rushmore is Pac, Nas, Jay and Big in one breath and in the next breath say that older people don't have a valid opinion regarding Hip Hop, new or old.

Nas, Jay, Big and 2Pac were born between 1968 and 1973. Their ages range between 44 and 49.

There isn't anybody born after 1990 that is going to replace those four on Mt Rushmore.

Cube >>> Nas

Shutcho yo old ass up

Cube is more impactful to the genre than Nas will ever be..

Exactly... Cube because is from the West Coast.... The IC suffer from East Coast Bias syndrome.

I'm just going to come straight out and say it:

NWA and Cube were dope for their time. But the art of rapping/MCing evolved between 1988-1998. Ice Cube had a nice 4/5 album run (depending if you count Kill At Will). But Cube raps at half the speed that Nas raps.

While I agree that Cube made a big impact in American pop culture, Nas is a better rapper. Illmatic and Lethal Injection were one year apart and Nas's wordplay and flow was eons ahead of Cube (e.g. Life's A B!tch and One Love). The difference between Cube and Nas is like the difference between Blues and Rock N Roll. Blues is cool and there's nothing wrong with it, but Rock N Roll was faster. Once Rock N Roll took off, Blues seemed country.

I was in Boston during the East/West beef. We thought the West Coast rappers rapped slow and basic while the East Coast rappers rapped at twice the speed. Granted, the other 49 states liked the slow rapping better and it sold more, but Nas, Big, Raekwon, Meth, Ghost, AZ, Jay were doing things with the mic that cats on the West Coast weren't doing.

For example, compare Natural Born Killers to Life's A B!tch



Natural Born Killaz had a dope beat and the lyrics were cool, but Nas and AZ were rapping at twice the speed of Cube and Dre.

Uve used the speed of rapping before...if im reading that correctly then bone thugs and twista would be the best ever

While i agree nas is a better rapper than cube and more consistent discography.....cubes subject matter and way of laying it out is superior to nas....and subject matter should be more important than lyrical ability

I get what you're saying as far as speed, but Bone Thugs and Twista rap so fast that I can't make out the lyrics, which ruins the listening experience (I feel the same way about Reggae, sometimes I like the song but I can't make out what they're saying)

Bone Thugs and Twista rap too fast, so fast that I can't judge their lyrics. The way Nas and AZ were rapping on Life's A B!tch was a different type of fast. They filled in every possible space with syllables without rapping in double time. Kinda how Big Pun and Eminem rapped in the late 90s without the punchlines, just flow.

As far as subject matter vs lyrical ability, thats all a matter of opinion.

 

[Matike85]

The most bias cats always crying East Coast Bias.....

You can't have it both ways. You can't say your Mt Rushmore is Pac, Nas, Jay and Big in one breath and in the next breath say that older people don't have a valid opinion regarding Hip Hop, new or old.

Nas, Jay, Big and 2Pac were born between 1968 and 1973. Their ages range between 44 and 49.

There isn't anybody born after 1990 that is going to replace those four on Mt Rushmore.

Cube >>> Nas

Shutcho yo old ass up

Cube is more impactful to the genre than Nas will ever be..

Exactly... Cube because is from the West Coast.... "The Reason Community" on This site suffers from East Coast Bias syndrome.

Shutcho yo corny ass up too nigga. FOH with that bias shit when you're being bias yourself

Your Bias is 20/20 and your hate make you blind to logic and Facts

 

[bck145]

You can't have it both ways. You can't say your Mt Rushmore is Pac, Nas, Jay and Big in one breath and in the next breath say that older people don't have a valid opinion regarding Hip Hop, new or old.

Nas, Jay, Big and 2Pac were born between 1968 and 1973. Their ages range between 44 and 49.

There isn't anybody born after 1990 that is going to replace those four on Mt Rushmore.

Cube >>> Nas

Shutcho yo old ass up

Cube is more impactful to the genre than Nas will ever be..

Exactly... Cube because is from the West Coast.... The IC suffer from East Coast Bias syndrome.

I'm just going to come straight out and say it:

NWA and Cube were dope for their time. But the art of rapping/MCing evolved between 1988-1998. Ice Cube had a nice 4/5 album run (depending if you count Kill At Will). But Cube raps at half the speed that Nas raps.

While I agree that Cube made a big impact in American pop culture, Nas is a better rapper. Illmatic and Lethal Injection were one year apart and Nas's wordplay and flow was eons ahead of Cube (e.g. Life's A B!tch and One Love). The difference between Cube and Nas is like the difference between Blues and Rock N Roll. Blues is cool and there's nothing wrong with it, but Rock N Roll was faster. Once Rock N Roll took off, Blues seemed country.

I was in Boston during the East/West beef. We thought the West Coast rappers rapped slow and basic while the East Coast rappers rapped at twice the speed. Granted, the other 49 states liked the slow rapping better and it sold more, but Nas, Big, Raekwon, Meth, Ghost, AZ, Jay were doing things with the mic that cats on the West Coast weren't doing.

For example, compare Natural Born Killers to Life's A B!tch



Natural Born Killaz had a dope beat and the lyrics were cool, but Nas and AZ were rapping at twice the speed of Cube and Dre.

Uve used the speed of rapping before...if im reading that correctly then bone thugs and twista would be the best ever

While i agree nas is a better rapper than cube and more consistent discography.....cubes subject matter and way of laying it out is superior to nas....and subject matter should be more important than lyrical ability

I get what you're saying as far as speed, but Bone Thugs and Twista rap so fast that I can't make out the lyrics, which ruins the listening experience (I feel the same way about Reggae, sometimes I like the song but I can't make out what they're saying)

Bone Thugs and Twista rap too fast, so fast that I can't judge their lyrics. The way Nas and AZ were rapping on Life's A B!tch was a different type of fast. They filled in every possible space with syllables without rapping in double time. Kinda how Big Pun and Eminem rapped in the late 90s without the punchlines, just flow.

As far as subject matter vs lyrical ability, thats all a matter of opinion.

Ok just making sure....so u dont enjoy sloe flow rappers at all then? Like rakim?

 

[aneed123]

Older heads seem to forget that they were the younger heads in their day whos music taste fashion etc.. were hated on and criticized by the ogs of their generatrion. u can have an opinion but if u dont even know or listen to the music of the cats u critiquing then u have no room to say shit. U just thought skooly with the tooly was the same as skooly fromt the rich kids... So imagine debating and telling a young rap fan that they music is trash and u make that error... guess what? U have no creditbility to stand on. Young folk set the trends too many old fans try to force they opinion on and thell they what to like. Older fans alos ignore the negative of they generation as well.

 

[sunlord]

speed IS IRREVELANT. what is being said and how it's being said is what is important

 

[sunlord]

You cannot evaluate music or any artform without objective criteria that is the only way we can escape generational bias. and by the criteria of what makes good hip-hop music most of the young guys are garbage.

You don't see too many of the old heads being disrespectful towards Kendrick because he's clearly skilled

21 savage however.....

 

[5 Grand]

Older heads seem to forget that they were the younger heads in their day whos music taste fashion etc.. were hated on and criticized by the ogs of their generatrion. u can have an opinion but if u dont even know or listen to the music of the cats u critiquing then u have no room to say shit. U just thought skooly with the tooly was the same as skooly fromt the rich kids... So imagine debating and telling a young rap fan that they music is trash and u make that error... guess what? U have no creditbility to stand on. Young folk set the trends too many old fans try to force they opinion on and thell they what to like. Older fans alos ignore the negative of they generation as well.

@ the bolded Fair enough.

But you're right about being a younger head being hated and criticized by the older generation. I remember when this was the hottest song in the summer of 1983.


^^^ I was 9 years old when that came out. Imagine me at 9 years old trying to defend this to the older cats that grew up on James Brown, Aretha Franklin, Parliament/Funkadelic, Earth Wind & Fire, Marvin Gaye, Barry White, Kool & The Gang, Curtis Mayfield, Isaac Hayes, etc.

 

[CapitalB]

You can't have it both ways. You can't say your Mt Rushmore is Pac, Nas, Jay and Big in one breath and in the next breath say that older people don't have a valid opinion regarding Hip Hop, new or old.

Nas, Jay, Big and 2Pac were born between 1968 and 1973. Their ages range between 44 and 49.

There isn't anybody born after 1990 that is going to replace those four on Mt Rushmore.

Cube >>> Nas

Shutcho yo old ass up

Cube is more impactful to the genre than Nas will ever be..

Out of curiosity, how would you measure impact?

no Cube.. no NWA.. no NWA no Death Row.. no Tupac.. no Friday.. no raw social commentary.. im drinkin drivin and fuckin wit a bitch right now so i can go as indepth as i want to..

but Cube fingerprint is all over rap..

we aint talkin bars and lyrics.. Nas got that in Spades..

more so than Cube no doubt.. but Nas never exists HipHop would still be where its at..

Big really aint that impactful either..

we talkin Mount Rushmore shit..

what niggas mean to the movement.. Nas aint shit compared to Cube in that aspect..

 

[5 Grand]

You can't have it both ways. You can't say your Mt Rushmore is Pac, Nas, Jay and Big in one breath and in the next breath say that older people don't have a valid opinion regarding Hip Hop, new or old.

Nas, Jay, Big and 2Pac were born between 1968 and 1973. Their ages range between 44 and 49.

There isn't anybody born after 1990 that is going to replace those four on Mt Rushmore.

Cube >>> Nas

Shutcho yo old ass up

Cube is more impactful to the genre than Nas will ever be..

Out of curiosity, how would you measure impact?

no Cube.. no NWA.. no NWA no Death Row.. no Tupac.. no Friday.. no raw social commentary.. im drinkin drivin and fuckin wit a bitch right now so i can go as indepth as i want to..

but Cube fingerprint is all over rap..

we aint talkin bars and lyrics.. Nas got that in Spades..

more so than Cube no doubt.. but Nas never exists HipHop would still be where its at..

Big really aint that impactful either..

we talkin Mount Rushmore shit..

what niggas mean to the movement.. Nas aint shit compared to Cube in that aspect..

Nonsense. KRS One was giving that raw social commentary on Criminal Minded which came out in 1987.

Here's a song called 9 Millimeter that was on Criminal Minded. Its a story of a weed dealer that gets in a gunfight with a crack dealer. But the twist is that there's no moral to the story. The weed dealer shoots and kills the crack dealer and his posse and gets away. Up until that point rappers (Melle Mel, Run DMC, Kurtis Blow, etc.) would talk about life in the streets but there was always a moral to the story.


And here's a song by Too $hort called Girl (Thats Your Life). Its basically a song about a girl that smokes crack. I'm not sure if it came out in 1983 or 1985.


Here's another song by Too $hort called Dope Fiend Beat


Here's another one called Freaky Tales, its 9 minutes and he raps about the same thing throughout the whole song.

 

[x the unknown]

let them young niggas get they money . real hiphop heads will always check for the real music .

facts

 

[konceptjones]

You can have opinions but with opinions there needs to be due research and knowledge of how music goes in cycles. For instance i am 27 but many 30 and 40 and 50 somethings bitch about how pop or mumble rap is taking over. Yet old niggas can't do they research and see the mainstreams best selling artists have quality bars.

Old niggas get mad that shit has been dumbed down for top 40 rap but don't remember that Jazz came through in the early 19000s and then blues pulled up after with a simple yet equally impactful movement. Old niggas who try to understand the youngn's but still disagree on some things are respected. But old niggas who wanna bitch and cry and just down the new niggas have opinions that aren't taken seriously.

The problem here is that a lot of us old heads DO take the time to check out new cats and that's where the shit we say comes from. I download an obscene number of mixtapes every month and I give these new cats a chance. The vast majority of the time I wish I hadn't wasted my time even downloading most of these mixtapes. I'm not gonna sit here and act like I don't fuck with all new artists 'cause that ain't the case. I checked out Dave East's mixtapes on a whim and was surprised at what I heard, then pissed off at the same time. When dude ain't trying to sound like every other rapper out there, he's actually a nice MC. The problem is that he's got tracks that copy the same cadence and flow of every other rapper out there and those are disappointing because his true talent gets lost trying to appeal to whomever it is that likes that garbage flow and overly simple rhymes. I said the same thing about Lil B, Schoolboy Q, Mac Miller and a few others.

Cats like Uzi Vert, Migos, Lil Yachty, etc have no redeeming qualities. Their rhymes are garbage, they use the same flows and cadences, shit is turrble and I can say that because I've given them a listen.