Alright who thinks "the antichrist" is one man?

[kids in america_]

Scripturally speaking there is no such thing as "THE antichrist". Shoot, there were 'MANY' "antichrists" before the ‘bible’ was even written.

 

[The True Flesh]

Originally Posted by JudahIsraelite

it is the SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST. No where in the bible does it say one man was "the antichrist" so you niggaz need to stop adding to the word of the Most High.

1 John 2:18

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

# 1 John 2:22

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 John 1:7

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Well the first verse you posted pretty much defeated your argument, but since you posted it your not going to see the clear evidence. But anyways, how do you explain Revelation 13?

You think just because it says "he" that it's talking about an individual person ?

The Bible even tells us that "beasts" refer to NATIONS and on top of all that It's not referring to literal geo-political nations either, but instead spiritual nations.

Also, "man of sin" and "son of perdition" aren't referring to individual people either.......nor is "abomination of desolation"

You really need to research the origins of this errant teaching because not only are you falling for a deception but you are at risk of becoming more and more deceived.

I am not afforded the luxury of posting here as mich as I'd like to as my personal schedule has become very hectic of late

but I hope we can keep this discussion going.....and shed some light.

PEACE

 

[toktaylor]

If Christ is going to come back and start murdering innocent people with a sword like michael brea then I'm anti-Christ.

why did the scriptures say sword?...why not nuke or guns or lasers, because it was written from the concept that the sword was the mightiest weapon at the time. any army that decides to attack any of our modern nations with swords is in for the surprise of their lives...lol

 

[toktaylor]

Well the first verse you posted pretty much defeated your argument, but since you posted it your not going to see the clear evidence. But anyways, how do you explain Revelation 13?

scripture vs scripture...dont you see that you will always find scriptures to back up an arguement...that is why there is so much religion and confusion.

The bible and religion has always been a tool to confuse and throw you off the spirtual path and many war have been fought trying to prove who is wrong or right.

There is no Christians..no Jews...no Muslims...no Whites...no Blacks...there is just man seeking to unite with his Creator.

Follow what is in your heart, accept that there is a creator, love him, honour him worship him and love your neighbour as you would love yourself...that is all.

that is the message that Jesus (son of GOD, just as all of us are) taught us....

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

You think just because it says "he" that it's talking about an individual person ?

The Bible even tells us that "beasts" refer to NATIONS and on top of all that It's not referring to literal geo-political nations either, but instead spiritual nations.

Also, "man of sin" and "son of perdition" aren't referring to individual people either.......nor is "abomination of desolation"
You really need to research the origins of this errant teaching because not only are you falling for a deception but you are at risk of becoming more and more deceived.

I am not afforded the luxury of posting here as mich as I'd like to as my personal schedule has become very hectic of late
but I hope we can keep this discussion going.....and shed some light.

PEACE

Whats up brother? Hopefully your schedule clears up so that you can discuss these topics more. But yeah, I know you believe in the Lord my friend. But what I don't get is how you can't see that there is a coming final world ruler. The OT and the NT both speak about him. Why can't we just read the texts plainly and let the Holy Spirit guide us into all truth?

Who is the beast and the false prophet that will be thrown into the lake of fire when Jesus returns? Do you mean to tell me that these are not 2 literal people? I just don't understand how your missing this. Inform me please.

 

[Israelites]

Who is the beast and the false prophet that will be thrown into the lake of fire when Jesus returns? Do you mean to tell me that these are not 2 literal people? I just don't understand how your missing this. Inform me please.

Exactly bro! who are these two ppl the scriptures speak on? Daniel spoke on the four winds of heaven which were four ruling nations, three of the nations were compared to animals but the last ruling nation was compared to a beast which is where the two spoken of in revelations will come from.. which is none other than Rome.

 

[The True Flesh]

Whats up brother? Hopefully your schedule clears up so that you can discuss these topics more. But yeah, I know you believe in the Lord my friend. But what I don't get is how you can't see that there is a coming final world ruler. The OT and the NT both speak about him. Why can't we just read the texts plainly and let the Holy Spirit guide us into all truth?

Who is the beast and the false prophet that will be thrown into the lake of fire when Jesus returns? Do you mean to tell me that these are not 2 literal people? I just don't understand how your missing this. Inform me please.

The Bible DIRECTLY tells us that the beast is not an individual person and though I'll continue to entertain you on this one, I think it's quite silly for anyone to think "the false prophet" in The Revelation refers to ONE GUY........SMH

And as far as Paul's writings that have been erroneously interpreted as referring to one man as "the antichrist".......

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2 Thessalonians 2:3

Yeah it's singular but.......

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Timothy 3:16-17

In context, Is Paul talking about ONE INDIVIDUAL here ?

What about here???

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Romans 4:5-7

Or here???

For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. Romans 10:5

And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Galatians 3:12

Or here???

For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. Romans 14:20

Whe adressing a false prophet named Barjesus Paul says this.......



O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? Acts 13:10

Does that mean he's "the antichrist" or just one of many ?

Yes, i fully acknowledge that satan is an individual entity as used in the book of Job, but the use of terms like "son of perdition" and "man of sin" do not denote ONE PERSON !!!

Much love brothers. We gon' keep this one going for edification.

PEACE

 

[Rock_Well]

Great point!^

Again the ideas mostly comes from false premillennial beliefs and theories about the end times and the second coming of Christ. The many scriptures used to justify these theories aren't being used accurately in their original context.

 

[The True Flesh]

And also "the" anti-christ will not and can not be revealed until the Lord comes for His church and delivers us from the wrath to come! Hallelujah!

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Disagree !

I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. John 17:15

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: Revelation 2:26

And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. Revelation 21:6-7

If there's a pre-tribulation rapture, what is there to overcome?

.......and could somebody show me where there's a 7 year "great tribulation"

BTW Daniel 9 ain't it

PEACE

 

[The True Flesh]

What is yet to come, as Paul said, is the revealing of that man of sin, for he has disguised himself well. That there is a man, "the Antichrist", who has not yet come is a doctrine Satan invented! By this clever ruse, he diverts the saints' attention to the future while he continues to steal their joy, quench the Spirit, and destroy their fellowship with Christ and with one another. While believers look for the dreaded Antichrist, Satan works freely in their midst, unhindered because he is unrevealed.