All gays, homos, lesbians, transgenders, pan-sexuals, queers, etc. get in here and take notice!

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I have studied the koran, I do study the koran and the hadith and I implore all grounded Christians to do so. The wicked deception of islam is not deeply understood by western people. There was a time when Christendom understood that islam was an evil that needed to be fought but today we no longer have the concept of christendom the arrogance of Christian cultures has caused the west to forget exactly what islam is and the rest of the church is either not very concerned or not in a position to offer proper defense against the sickness of islam

Christianity & Cathoics have a dark past as well. Check the dark ages. And you can see the evil that comes with modern day Christianity in America today. Don't forget, Europeans came here and savagely wiped the natives mainly because they prayed to God's the Europeans were not familiar with. Bush led America into war with the middle East, and openly stated "God is on our side" when it's stated in scripture that a war with the middle East is not winnable.

Yes Christians have done many many evil things however what most people fail to understand is that there is a distinction between Christian history and Christian faith. CHRISTIANS who kill, rape, steal, start offensive war etc etc etc are doing the exact opposite of what Christ taught.... The same cannot be said with islam because muhammand allowed for all those behaviors.

And to be historically correct the real motivation behind European conquest of the new world and the rest of the world was for wealth, not religious purposes. The abuse of Christ by whites has always come after the desire to take the land and wealth of others.

As for a war In the middle east not being winnable that defends on how you define winnable and technically afganistan is not in the middle east

Well put bro. I didn't get deep into Muhammad to really see what he allowed. Any thing you recommend reading up on?

This is an incorrect approach to studying Islam. Allah (God) "allows" or better yet commands. Not Muhammed (pbuh).

Muhammand claims to be a prophet and the koran claims he is the perfect human being so his behavior is the gold standard of islam, he is the Al-insan al kamil the perfect person.

You are not a muslim until you obey muhamand and find in yourself no resistance to his command once he has decided an issue.

^^^^that comes right from the koran/hadith and the problem with it is that the commands of Muhammad ( death be upon him) were evil

Similar to Christianity

It's not similar actually.

Muhammed did as we was commanded by God and these commandments are collected within Quran. He didn't act independently of God, issuing commands or enacting law.

If Muhammed didn't act independently of the true and living God why did the Koran change what was already written 600 years before Muhammed came on the scene?

The Koran systematically changed the Torah by saying that Ishmael was the promised son.

The Koran denies the crucifixion of Christ.

The Koran denies that Jesus is God.

The Koran places a curse on those who say Jesus is the Son of God.

The Koran says that Jesus was created.

Why did the KORAN change everything that was already written 600 years before Muhammed came on the scene? Why?

Why?

Why?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I just posted what I wrote @"BiblicalAtheist "

You just don't like me because I call you out and I don't coddle your sin.

Repent and believe the gospel.

Amen.

Tell yourself whatever you have to justify your lies and hypocrisy DoU.

You know I am right. I call you out and you don't like it because it's the truth. But praise be to God that the truth is working on you. Hallelujah!

It's funny, cuz I think the exact same in regards to you: "You know I am right. I call you out and you don't like it because it's the truth. " and that's why you flip the script and spout the shit you just posted now. Btw, you can stop @ing me, I know where the thread is.

But I do like you, as a matter of fact I love you @"BiblicalAtheist " . I want you to inherit the kingdom to come. I want you to come to a knowledge of the truth. I want you to be saved! I want to dance with you forever and ever in the kingdom to come! I want to sit with you at the wedding supper of the lamb. I want to share the fruit from the tree of life with you forever and ever! I want to explore the heavens with you for all eternity! I want these things for you. I want this to happen. Therefore I plead with you to repent and believe the gospel. Will you today?

 

[jetlifebih]

I have studied the koran, I do study the koran and the hadith and I implore all grounded Christians to do so. The wicked deception of islam is not deeply understood by western people. There was a time when Christendom understood that islam was an evil that needed to be fought but today we no longer have the concept of christendom the arrogance of Christian cultures has caused the west to forget exactly what islam is and the rest of the church is either not very concerned or not in a position to offer proper defense against the sickness of islam

Christianity & Cathoics have a dark past as well. Check the dark ages. And you can see the evil that comes with modern day Christianity in America today. Don't forget, Europeans came here and savagely wiped the natives mainly because they prayed to God's the Europeans were not familiar with. Bush led America into war with the middle East, and openly stated "God is on our side" when it's stated in scripture that a war with the middle East is not winnable.

Yes Christians have done many many evil things however what most people fail to understand is that there is a distinction between Christian history and Christian faith. CHRISTIANS who kill, rape, steal, start offensive war etc etc etc are doing the exact opposite of what Christ taught.... The same cannot be said with islam because muhammand allowed for all those behaviors.

And to be historically correct the real motivation behind European conquest of the new world and the rest of the world was for wealth, not religious purposes. The abuse of Christ by whites has always come after the desire to take the land and wealth of others.

As for a war In the middle east not being winnable that defends on how you define winnable and technically afganistan is not in the middle east

Well put bro. I didn't get deep into Muhammad to really see what he allowed. Any thing you recommend reading up on?

This is an incorrect approach to studying Islam. Allah (God) "allows" or better yet commands. Not Muhammed (pbuh).

Muhammand claims to be a prophet and the koran claims he is the perfect human being so his behavior is the gold standard of islam, he is the Al-insan al kamil the perfect person.

You are not a muslim until you obey muhamand and find in yourself no resistance to his command once he has decided an issue.

^^^^that comes right from the koran/hadith and the problem with it is that the commands of Muhammad ( death be upon him) were evil

Similar to Christianity

It's not similar actually.

Muhammed did as we was commanded by God and these commandments are collected within Quran. He didn't act independently of God, issuing commands or enacting law.

If Muhammed didn't act independently of the true and living God why did the Koran change what was already written 600 years before Muhammed came on the scene?

The Koran systematically changed the Torah by saying that Ishmael was the promised son.

The Koran denies the crucifixion of Christ.

The Koran denies that Jesus is God.

The Koran places a curse on those who say Jesus is the Son of God.

The Koran says that Jesus was created.

Why did the KORAN change everything that was already written 600 years before Muhammed came on the scene? Why?

Why?

Why?

Same reasons why Christians took practices from African religions and re-mixed them for the world...don't play dumb....question is....gods creator....him do you know??

 

[Kwan Dai]

I have studied the koran, I do study the koran and the hadith and I implore all grounded Christians to do so. The wicked deception of islam is not deeply understood by western people. There was a time when Christendom understood that islam was an evil that needed to be fought but today we no longer have the concept of christendom the arrogance of Christian cultures has caused the west to forget exactly what islam is and the rest of the church is either not very concerned or not in a position to offer proper defense against the sickness of islam

Christianity & Cathoics have a dark past as well. Check the dark ages. And you can see the evil that comes with modern day Christianity in America today. Don't forget, Europeans came here and savagely wiped the natives mainly because they prayed to God's the Europeans were not familiar with. Bush led America into war with the middle East, and openly stated "God is on our side" when it's stated in scripture that a war with the middle East is not winnable.

Yes Christians have done many many evil things however what most people fail to understand is that there is a distinction between Christian history and Christian faith. CHRISTIANS who kill, rape, steal, start offensive war etc etc etc are doing the exact opposite of what Christ taught.... The same cannot be said with islam because muhammand allowed for all those behaviors.

And to be historically correct the real motivation behind European conquest of the new world and the rest of the world was for wealth, not religious purposes. The abuse of Christ by whites has always come after the desire to take the land and wealth of others.

As for a war In the middle east not being winnable that defends on how you define winnable and technically afganistan is not in the middle east

Well put bro. I didn't get deep into Muhammad to really see what he allowed. Any thing you recommend reading up on?

This is an incorrect approach to studying Islam. Allah (God) "allows" or better yet commands. Not Muhammed (pbuh).

Muhammand claims to be a prophet and the koran claims he is the perfect human being so his behavior is the gold standard of islam, he is the Al-insan al kamil the perfect person.

You are not a muslim until you obey muhamand and find in yourself no resistance to his command once he has decided an issue.

^^^^that comes right from the koran/hadith and the problem with it is that the commands of Muhammad ( death be upon him) were evil

Similar to Christianity

It's not similar actually.

Muhammed did as we was commanded by God and these commandments are collected within Quran. He didn't act independently of God, issuing commands or enacting law.

If Muhammed didn't act independently of the true and living God why did the Koran change what was already written 600 years before Muhammed came on the scene?

The Koran systematically changed the Torah by saying that Ishmael was the promised son.

The Koran denies the crucifixion of Christ.

The Koran denies that Jesus is God.

The Koran places a curse on those who say Jesus is the Son of God.

The Koran says that Jesus was created.

Why did the KORAN change everything that was already written 600 years before Muhammed came on the scene? Why?

Why?

Why?

Muslims don't believe these are changes. Muslims believe this is the Truth as revealed to all Prophets before Muhammed. Muslims believe over those 600 years mankind routinely corrupted God's word therefore messengers and prophets weren't sent to warn and remind mankind to turn back to God's word. Muslims believe that Muhammed is merely the seal of the Prophets.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I have studied the koran, I do study the koran and the hadith and I implore all grounded Christians to do so. The wicked deception of islam is not deeply understood by western people. There was a time when Christendom understood that islam was an evil that needed to be fought but today we no longer have the concept of christendom the arrogance of Christian cultures has caused the west to forget exactly what islam is and the rest of the church is either not very concerned or not in a position to offer proper defense against the sickness of islam

Christianity & Cathoics have a dark past as well. Check the dark ages. And you can see the evil that comes with modern day Christianity in America today. Don't forget, Europeans came here and savagely wiped the natives mainly because they prayed to God's the Europeans were not familiar with. Bush led America into war with the middle East, and openly stated "God is on our side" when it's stated in scripture that a war with the middle East is not winnable.

Yes Christians have done many many evil things however what most people fail to understand is that there is a distinction between Christian history and Christian faith. CHRISTIANS who kill, rape, steal, start offensive war etc etc etc are doing the exact opposite of what Christ taught.... The same cannot be said with islam because muhammand allowed for all those behaviors.

And to be historically correct the real motivation behind European conquest of the new world and the rest of the world was for wealth, not religious purposes. The abuse of Christ by whites has always come after the desire to take the land and wealth of others.

As for a war In the middle east not being winnable that defends on how you define winnable and technically afganistan is not in the middle east

Well put bro. I didn't get deep into Muhammad to really see what he allowed. Any thing you recommend reading up on?

This is an incorrect approach to studying Islam. Allah (God) "allows" or better yet commands. Not Muhammed (pbuh).

Muhammand claims to be a prophet and the koran claims he is the perfect human being so his behavior is the gold standard of islam, he is the Al-insan al kamil the perfect person.

You are not a muslim until you obey muhamand and find in yourself no resistance to his command once he has decided an issue.

^^^^that comes right from the koran/hadith and the problem with it is that the commands of Muhammad ( death be upon him) were evil

Similar to Christianity

It's not similar actually.

Muhammed did as we was commanded by God and these commandments are collected within Quran. He didn't act independently of God, issuing commands or enacting law.

If Muhammed didn't act independently of the true and living God why did the Koran change what was already written 600 years before Muhammed came on the scene?

The Koran systematically changed the Torah by saying that Ishmael was the promised son.

The Koran denies the crucifixion of Christ.

The Koran denies that Jesus is God.

The Koran places a curse on those who say Jesus is the Son of God.

The Koran says that Jesus was created.

Why did the KORAN change everything that was already written 600 years before Muhammed came on the scene? Why?

Why?

Why?

Same reasons why Christians took practices from African religions and re-mixed them for the world...don't play dumb....question is....gods creator....him do you know??

The creator God has a name. His name Is Yeshua. Do you know Him?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I have studied the koran, I do study the koran and the hadith and I implore all grounded Christians to do so. The wicked deception of islam is not deeply understood by western people. There was a time when Christendom understood that islam was an evil that needed to be fought but today we no longer have the concept of christendom the arrogance of Christian cultures has caused the west to forget exactly what islam is and the rest of the church is either not very concerned or not in a position to offer proper defense against the sickness of islam

Christianity & Cathoics have a dark past as well. Check the dark ages. And you can see the evil that comes with modern day Christianity in America today. Don't forget, Europeans came here and savagely wiped the natives mainly because they prayed to God's the Europeans were not familiar with. Bush led America into war with the middle East, and openly stated "God is on our side" when it's stated in scripture that a war with the middle East is not winnable.

Yes Christians have done many many evil things however what most people fail to understand is that there is a distinction between Christian history and Christian faith. CHRISTIANS who kill, rape, steal, start offensive war etc etc etc are doing the exact opposite of what Christ taught.... The same cannot be said with islam because muhammand allowed for all those behaviors.

And to be historically correct the real motivation behind European conquest of the new world and the rest of the world was for wealth, not religious purposes. The abuse of Christ by whites has always come after the desire to take the land and wealth of others.

As for a war In the middle east not being winnable that defends on how you define winnable and technically afganistan is not in the middle east

Well put bro. I didn't get deep into Muhammad to really see what he allowed. Any thing you recommend reading up on?

This is an incorrect approach to studying Islam. Allah (God) "allows" or better yet commands. Not Muhammed (pbuh).

Muhammand claims to be a prophet and the koran claims he is the perfect human being so his behavior is the gold standard of islam, he is the Al-insan al kamil the perfect person.

You are not a muslim until you obey muhamand and find in yourself no resistance to his command once he has decided an issue.

^^^^that comes right from the koran/hadith and the problem with it is that the commands of Muhammad ( death be upon him) were evil

Similar to Christianity

It's not similar actually.

Muhammed did as we was commanded by God and these commandments are collected within Quran. He didn't act independently of God, issuing commands or enacting law.

If Muhammed didn't act independently of the true and living God why did the Koran change what was already written 600 years before Muhammed came on the scene?

The Koran systematically changed the Torah by saying that Ishmael was the promised son.

The Koran denies the crucifixion of Christ.

The Koran denies that Jesus is God.

The Koran places a curse on those who say Jesus is the Son of God.

The Koran says that Jesus was created.

Why did the KORAN change everything that was already written 600 years before Muhammed came on the scene? Why?

Why?

Why?

Muslims don't believe these are changes. Muslims believe this is the Truth as revealed to all Prophets before Muhammed. Muslims believe over those 600 years mankind routinely corrupted God's word therefore messengers and prophets weren't sent to warn and remind mankind to turn back to God's word. Muslims believe that Muhammed is merely the seal of the Prophets.

So let me get this straight. Muslims don't believe there are changes but yet the very book they hold to changed what was already written 600 years before Islam was even started.

What kind of reasoning is that?

You don't believe there are changes but the very book you subscribe to is changed from the text that it borrowed from which was around way before Muhammad was even conceived in the womb of his mother.

Something in the milk ain't clean.

 

[zzombie]

I have studied the koran, I do study the koran and the hadith and I implore all grounded Christians to do so. The wicked deception of islam is not deeply understood by western people. There was a time when Christendom understood that islam was an evil that needed to be fought but today we no longer have the concept of christendom the arrogance of Christian cultures has caused the west to forget exactly what islam is and the rest of the church is either not very concerned or not in a position to offer proper defense against the sickness of islam

Christianity & Cathoics have a dark past as well. Check the dark ages. And you can see the evil that comes with modern day Christianity in America today. Don't forget, Europeans came here and savagely wiped the natives mainly because they prayed to God's the Europeans were not familiar with. Bush led America into war with the middle East, and openly stated "God is on our side" when it's stated in scripture that a war with the middle East is not winnable.

Yes Christians have done many many evil things however what most people fail to understand is that there is a distinction between Christian history and Christian faith. CHRISTIANS who kill, rape, steal, start offensive war etc etc etc are doing the exact opposite of what Christ taught.... The same cannot be said with islam because muhammand allowed for all those behaviors.

And to be historically correct the real motivation behind European conquest of the new world and the rest of the world was for wealth, not religious purposes. The abuse of Christ by whites has always come after the desire to take the land and wealth of others.

As for a war In the middle east not being winnable that defends on how you define winnable and technically afganistan is not in the middle east

Well put bro. I didn't get deep into Muhammad to really see what he allowed. Any thing you recommend reading up on?

This is an incorrect approach to studying Islam. Allah (God) "allows" or better yet commands. Not Muhammed (pbuh).

Muhammand claims to be a prophet and the koran claims he is the perfect human being so his behavior is the gold standard of islam, he is the Al-insan al kamil the perfect person.

You are not a muslim until you obey muhamand and find in yourself no resistance to his command once he has decided an issue.

^^^^that comes right from the koran/hadith and the problem with it is that the commands of Muhammad ( death be upon him) were evil

Similar to Christianity

Islam is nothing like Christianity to begin with Islam is more than a religion.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

The Torah was written by Moses some 3,500 years ago and it stated that the promise son was Issac. Islam comes along almost 2,000 years later and CHANGES what was already written by saying that the promise son is Ishmael. But yet your going to sit here and tell me that muslims don't believe there are changes @"Kwan Dai" ?

Who are you fooling? Definitely not me.

 

[zzombie]

It is a lie to say that Muhammad did not issues religious,political and military commands to begin with the whole koran comes from him.

Later on I shall give a comparative analysis of Muhammad the false prophet compared to the real prophets. As well as the differences between the Bible and the koran.

 

[Kwan Dai]

I have studied the koran, I do study the koran and the hadith and I implore all grounded Christians to do so. The wicked deception of islam is not deeply understood by western people. There was a time when Christendom understood that islam was an evil that needed to be fought but today we no longer have the concept of christendom the arrogance of Christian cultures has caused the west to forget exactly what islam is and the rest of the church is either not very concerned or not in a position to offer proper defense against the sickness of islam

Christianity & Cathoics have a dark past as well. Check the dark ages. And you can see the evil that comes with modern day Christianity in America today. Don't forget, Europeans came here and savagely wiped the natives mainly because they prayed to God's the Europeans were not familiar with. Bush led America into war with the middle East, and openly stated "God is on our side" when it's stated in scripture that a war with the middle East is not winnable.

Yes Christians have done many many evil things however what most people fail to understand is that there is a distinction between Christian history and Christian faith. CHRISTIANS who kill, rape, steal, start offensive war etc etc etc are doing the exact opposite of what Christ taught.... The same cannot be said with islam because muhammand allowed for all those behaviors.

And to be historically correct the real motivation behind European conquest of the new world and the rest of the world was for wealth, not religious purposes. The abuse of Christ by whites has always come after the desire to take the land and wealth of others.

As for a war In the middle east not being winnable that defends on how you define winnable and technically afganistan is not in the middle east

Well put bro. I didn't get deep into Muhammad to really see what he allowed. Any thing you recommend reading up on?

This is an incorrect approach to studying Islam. Allah (God) "allows" or better yet commands. Not Muhammed (pbuh).

Muhammand claims to be a prophet and the koran claims he is the perfect human being so his behavior is the gold standard of islam, he is the Al-insan al kamil the perfect person.

You are not a muslim until you obey muhamand and find in yourself no resistance to his command once he has decided an issue.

^^^^that comes right from the koran/hadith and the problem with it is that the commands of Muhammad ( death be upon him) were evil

Similar to Christianity

It's not similar actually.

Muhammed did as we was commanded by God and these commandments are collected within Quran. He didn't act independently of God, issuing commands or enacting law.

If Muhammed didn't act independently of the true and living God why did the Koran change what was already written 600 years before Muhammed came on the scene?

The Koran systematically changed the Torah by saying that Ishmael was the promised son.

The Koran denies the crucifixion of Christ.

The Koran denies that Jesus is God.

The Koran places a curse on those who say Jesus is the Son of God.

The Koran says that Jesus was created.

Why did the KORAN change everything that was already written 600 years before Muhammed came on the scene? Why?

Why?

Why?

Muslims don't believe these are changes. Muslims believe this is the Truth as revealed to all Prophets before Muhammed. Muslims believe over those 600 years mankind routinely corrupted God's word therefore messengers and prophets weren't sent to warn and remind mankind to turn back to God's word. Muslims believe that Muhammed is merely the seal of the Prophets.

So let me get this straight. Muslims don't believe there are changes but yet the very book they hold to changed what was already written 600 years before Islam was even started.

What kind of reasoning is that?

You don't believe there are changes but the very book you subscribe to is changed from the text that it borrowed from which was around way before Muhammad was even conceived in the womb of his mother.

Something in the milk ain't clean.

The reasoning is sound if you are capable of separating Man from God.

What Muslims believe was written and revealed to Mankind was to worship God and God alone. Establish regular prayer, and to give charity. Most importantly to prepare oneself through these acts to meet God and answer for ones actions on earth. If, you cannot get that straight not sure what to tell you.

Muslims do not believe the Quran is borrowed. It is merely God saying what he has always said, to mankind.

 

[Turfaholic]

And anybody who curses and calls people derogatory names indicates who their true father is. You are of your father the devil @Turfaholic.

You speak just like your father. Who wants to follow a god who can't even change your speech nor your heart.

Amen.

No bible quotes for that one huh?

Were the plagues placed on Egypt not curses?

When the fog swept through Egypt and took the life first born children, was that not a curse?

Your mind is too tunnel visioned to truly know God bruh. I recommend you read the Quran. Study Egyptian Mythology. And as taboo as the topic is, study the Santeria & Voodoo. I'm not saying you have to practice them, but the one true God has touched many lives in many ways and does deserved to have his reach over this world limited to one book.

There are plenty of bible quotes that have to do with the tongue. The cursing I was talking about is the evil and foul language that was coming out of your mouth. If your powerless god can't even give you the victory over your tongue who would want to serve such a god.

I can do bad all by myself. No need to front with a false god who can't even clean up your speech. Your God is false, impotent, and weak.

And here goes the ether you requested:

"If you claim to be religious but don't control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless." James 1:26

Your religion is worthless just like God said. You are only fooling yourself as God said. Give me the true and living God who can at least clean up my speech and make me talk without slandering, cursing, and demeaning others with foul language. I've been there done that. I want a changed life now. Amen.

But my God is your God bruh. And you call him powerless? I don't follow religion. But Im amazed at wonders my God has created. Everything from a babies birth to the thunderstorms raging on in the other side of the universe. If you're so in tune with the word, how can you refer to my God as different than your own when the bible clearly states there is only one God? You're contradicting yourself.

When you deny the Son, you deny the Father.



"Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also." 1 John 2:22-23

You said that jesus Christ isn't God. You have denied the faith with that claim. And we do not worship the same God, for Jesus Christ is God. Amen.

Now are you willing to come to a knowledge of the truth my friend?

Show me in the bible where Jesus proclaimed himself to be God......

 

[Kwan Dai]

The Torah was written by Moses some 3,500 years ago and it stated that the promise son was Issac. Islam comes along almost 2,000 years later and CHANGES what was already written by saying that the promise son is Ishmael. But yet your going to sit here and tell me that muslims don't believe there are changes @"Kwan Dai" ?

Who are you fooling? Definitely not me.

If you describe them as changes fine. Honestly I don't care what you believe, so I am not trying to fool you. You will walk away from this thread saying what are you've been saying from the beginning. What I am relaying to you is, Muslims believe the Quran to be God revealing the truth after the Torah, and Bible had been tampered with and distorted. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[zzombie]

And anybody who curses and calls people derogatory names indicates who their true father is. You are of your father the devil @Turfaholic.

You speak just like your father. Who wants to follow a god who can't even change your speech nor your heart.

Amen.

No bible quotes for that one huh?

Were the plagues placed on Egypt not curses?

When the fog swept through Egypt and took the life first born children, was that not a curse?

Your mind is too tunnel visioned to truly know God bruh. I recommend you read the Quran. Study Egyptian Mythology. And as taboo as the topic is, study the Santeria & Voodoo. I'm not saying you have to practice them, but the one true God has touched many lives in many ways and does deserved to have his reach over this world limited to one book.

There are plenty of bible quotes that have to do with the tongue. The cursing I was talking about is the evil and foul language that was coming out of your mouth. If your powerless god can't even give you the victory over your tongue who would want to serve such a god.

I can do bad all by myself. No need to front with a false god who can't even clean up your speech. Your God is false, impotent, and weak.

And here goes the ether you requested:

"If you claim to be religious but don't control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless." James 1:26

Your religion is worthless just like God said. You are only fooling yourself as God said. Give me the true and living God who can at least clean up my speech and make me talk without slandering, cursing, and demeaning others with foul language. I've been there done that. I want a changed life now. Amen.

But my God is your God bruh. And you call him powerless? I don't follow religion. But Im amazed at wonders my God has created. Everything from a babies birth to the thunderstorms raging on in the other side of the universe. If you're so in tune with the word, how can you refer to my God as different than your own when the bible clearly states there is only one God? You're contradicting yourself.

When you deny the Son, you deny the Father.



"Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also." 1 John 2:22-23

You said that jesus Christ isn't God. You have denied the faith with that claim. And we do not worship the same God, for Jesus Christ is God. Amen.

Now are you willing to come to a knowledge of the truth my friend?

Show me in the bible where Jesus proclaimed himself to be God......

Jesus called himself " I am" which is another name for god. I will find the verse for you later

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I have studied the koran, I do study the koran and the hadith and I implore all grounded Christians to do so. The wicked deception of islam is not deeply understood by western people. There was a time when Christendom understood that islam was an evil that needed to be fought but today we no longer have the concept of christendom the arrogance of Christian cultures has caused the west to forget exactly what islam is and the rest of the church is either not very concerned or not in a position to offer proper defense against the sickness of islam

Christianity & Cathoics have a dark past as well. Check the dark ages. And you can see the evil that comes with modern day Christianity in America today. Don't forget, Europeans came here and savagely wiped the natives mainly because they prayed to God's the Europeans were not familiar with. Bush led America into war with the middle East, and openly stated "God is on our side" when it's stated in scripture that a war with the middle East is not winnable.

Yes Christians have done many many evil things however what most people fail to understand is that there is a distinction between Christian history and Christian faith. CHRISTIANS who kill, rape, steal, start offensive war etc etc etc are doing the exact opposite of what Christ taught.... The same cannot be said with islam because muhammand allowed for all those behaviors.

And to be historically correct the real motivation behind European conquest of the new world and the rest of the world was for wealth, not religious purposes. The abuse of Christ by whites has always come after the desire to take the land and wealth of others.

As for a war In the middle east not being winnable that defends on how you define winnable and technically afganistan is not in the middle east

Well put bro. I didn't get deep into Muhammad to really see what he allowed. Any thing you recommend reading up on?

This is an incorrect approach to studying Islam. Allah (God) "allows" or better yet commands. Not Muhammed (pbuh).

Muhammand claims to be a prophet and the koran claims he is the perfect human being so his behavior is the gold standard of islam, he is the Al-insan al kamil the perfect person.

You are not a muslim until you obey muhamand and find in yourself no resistance to his command once he has decided an issue.

^^^^that comes right from the koran/hadith and the problem with it is that the commands of Muhammad ( death be upon him) were evil

Similar to Christianity

It's not similar actually.

Muhammed did as we was commanded by God and these commandments are collected within Quran. He didn't act independently of God, issuing commands or enacting law.

If Muhammed didn't act independently of the true and living God why did the Koran change what was already written 600 years before Muhammed came on the scene?

The Koran systematically changed the Torah by saying that Ishmael was the promised son.

The Koran denies the crucifixion of Christ.

The Koran denies that Jesus is God.

The Koran places a curse on those who say Jesus is the Son of God.

The Koran says that Jesus was created.

Why did the KORAN change everything that was already written 600 years before Muhammed came on the scene? Why?

Why?

Why?

Muslims don't believe these are changes. Muslims believe this is the Truth as revealed to all Prophets before Muhammed. Muslims believe over those 600 years mankind routinely corrupted God's word therefore messengers and prophets weren't sent to warn and remind mankind to turn back to God's word. Muslims believe that Muhammed is merely the seal of the Prophets.

So let me get this straight. Muslims don't believe there are changes but yet the very book they hold to changed what was already written 600 years before Islam was even started.

What kind of reasoning is that?

You don't believe there are changes but the very book you subscribe to is changed from the text that it borrowed from which was around way before Muhammad was even conceived in the womb of his mother.

Something in the milk ain't clean.

The reasoning is sound if you are capable of separating Man from God.

What Muslims believe was written and revealed to Mankind was to worship God and God alone. Establish regular prayer, and to give charity. Most importantly to prepare oneself through these acts to meet God and answer for ones actions on earth. If, you cannot get that straight not sure what to tell you.

Muslims do not believe the Quran is borrowed. It is merely God saying what he has always said, to mankind.

God has spoken through His Son. He finished the work. You can not earn your way into heaven. Doing good works will not save you. The Koran has changed everything the Bible said 600 years after the fact.

It has added to the word of God and taken away from the word of God. And the Bible ends with a warning against anybody who does such a thing.



"18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book." Revelation 22:18-19

That was written almost 600 years before Muhammad came on the scene. And Muhammad did exactly what God warned not to do 600 years before Muhammad was in the cave.

Amen.

 

[Turfaholic]

And anybody who curses and calls people derogatory names indicates who their true father is. You are of your father the devil @Turfaholic.

You speak just like your father. Who wants to follow a god who can't even change your speech nor your heart.

Amen.

No bible quotes for that one huh?

Were the plagues placed on Egypt not curses?

When the fog swept through Egypt and took the life first born children, was that not a curse?

Your mind is too tunnel visioned to truly know God bruh. I recommend you read the Quran. Study Egyptian Mythology. And as taboo as the topic is, study the Santeria & Voodoo. I'm not saying you have to practice them, but the one true God has touched many lives in many ways and does deserved to have his reach over this world limited to one book.

There are plenty of bible quotes that have to do with the tongue. The cursing I was talking about is the evil and foul language that was coming out of your mouth. If your powerless god can't even give you the victory over your tongue who would want to serve such a god.

I can do bad all by myself. No need to front with a false god who can't even clean up your speech. Your God is false, impotent, and weak.

And here goes the ether you requested:

"If you claim to be religious but don't control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless." James 1:26

Your religion is worthless just like God said. You are only fooling yourself as God said. Give me the true and living God who can at least clean up my speech and make me talk without slandering, cursing, and demeaning others with foul language. I've been there done that. I want a changed life now. Amen.

But my God is your God bruh. And you call him powerless? I don't follow religion. But Im amazed at wonders my God has created. Everything from a babies birth to the thunderstorms raging on in the other side of the universe. If you're so in tune with the word, how can you refer to my God as different than your own when the bible clearly states there is only one God? You're contradicting yourself.

When you deny the Son, you deny the Father.



"Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also." 1 John 2:22-23

You said that jesus Christ isn't God. You have denied the faith with that claim. And we do not worship the same God, for Jesus Christ is God. Amen.

Now are you willing to come to a knowledge of the truth my friend?

Show me in the bible where Jesus proclaimed himself to be God......

Jesus called himself " I am" which is another name for god. I will find the verse for you later

You gotta be kidding

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

And anybody who curses and calls people derogatory names indicates who their true father is. You are of your father the devil @Turfaholic.

You speak just like your father. Who wants to follow a god who can't even change your speech nor your heart.

Amen.

No bible quotes for that one huh?

Were the plagues placed on Egypt not curses?

When the fog swept through Egypt and took the life first born children, was that not a curse?

Your mind is too tunnel visioned to truly know God bruh. I recommend you read the Quran. Study Egyptian Mythology. And as taboo as the topic is, study the Santeria & Voodoo. I'm not saying you have to practice them, but the one true God has touched many lives in many ways and does deserved to have his reach over this world limited to one book.

There are plenty of bible quotes that have to do with the tongue. The cursing I was talking about is the evil and foul language that was coming out of your mouth. If your powerless god can't even give you the victory over your tongue who would want to serve such a god.

I can do bad all by myself. No need to front with a false god who can't even clean up your speech. Your God is false, impotent, and weak.

And here goes the ether you requested:

"If you claim to be religious but don't control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless." James 1:26

Your religion is worthless just like God said. You are only fooling yourself as God said. Give me the true and living God who can at least clean up my speech and make me talk without slandering, cursing, and demeaning others with foul language. I've been there done that. I want a changed life now. Amen.

But my God is your God bruh. And you call him powerless? I don't follow religion. But Im amazed at wonders my God has created. Everything from a babies birth to the thunderstorms raging on in the other side of the universe. If you're so in tune with the word, how can you refer to my God as different than your own when the bible clearly states there is only one God? You're contradicting yourself.

When you deny the Son, you deny the Father.



"Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also." 1 John 2:22-23

You said that jesus Christ isn't God. You have denied the faith with that claim. And we do not worship the same God, for Jesus Christ is God. Amen.

Now are you willing to come to a knowledge of the truth my friend?

Show me in the bible where Jesus proclaimed himself to be God......

The Jews tried to stone Jesus because He declared Himself to be God. Do you even read the text? Here let me post it for you so you can READ:

"I and my Father are one.31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." John 10:30-33

Did you read that? Jesus said that He and the Father were ONE. The Jews knew exactly what He was saying, hence why they tried to stone Him and declared that the reason they were going to do it was because He said He was God. Can you not understand the simple text of scripture?

Or how about this one:



"58Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." John 8:58

Jesus used the same name, I AM, that was revealed to Moses when God spoke to him in the burning bush. Look and see:



"God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'" Exodus 3:14

Over and over and over and over Jesus Christ declared who He was. But just like many of the Jews of His day didn't believe, so too are there many in this day who don't believe.

Those who believe are the children of God, while those who don't are the children of the devil. It's that simple. Amen.

 

[zzombie]

And anybody who curses and calls people derogatory names indicates who their true father is. You are of your father the devil @Turfaholic.

You speak just like your father. Who wants to follow a god who can't even change your speech nor your heart.

Amen.

No bible quotes for that one huh?

Were the plagues placed on Egypt not curses?

When the fog swept through Egypt and took the life first born children, was that not a curse?

Your mind is too tunnel visioned to truly know God bruh. I recommend you read the Quran. Study Egyptian Mythology. And as taboo as the topic is, study the Santeria & Voodoo. I'm not saying you have to practice them, but the one true God has touched many lives in many ways and does deserved to have his reach over this world limited to one book.

There are plenty of bible quotes that have to do with the tongue. The cursing I was talking about is the evil and foul language that was coming out of your mouth. If your powerless god can't even give you the victory over your tongue who would want to serve such a god.

I can do bad all by myself. No need to front with a false god who can't even clean up your speech. Your God is false, impotent, and weak.

And here goes the ether you requested:

"If you claim to be religious but don't control your tongue, you are fooling yourself, and your religion is worthless." James 1:26

Your religion is worthless just like God said. You are only fooling yourself as God said. Give me the true and living God who can at least clean up my speech and make me talk without slandering, cursing, and demeaning others with foul language. I've been there done that. I want a changed life now. Amen.

But my God is your God bruh. And you call him powerless? I don't follow religion. But Im amazed at wonders my God has created. Everything from a babies birth to the thunderstorms raging on in the other side of the universe. If you're so in tune with the word, how can you refer to my God as different than your own when the bible clearly states there is only one God? You're contradicting yourself.

When you deny the Son, you deny the Father.



"Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. 23No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also." 1 John 2:22-23

You said that jesus Christ isn't God. You have denied the faith with that claim. And we do not worship the same God, for Jesus Christ is God. Amen.

Now are you willing to come to a knowledge of the truth my friend?

Show me in the bible where Jesus proclaimed himself to be God......

Jesus called himself " I am" which is another name for god. I will find the verse for you later

You gotta be kidding

NO.. the statement " I am" in context reveals what Jesus taught about his nature and identity.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

The Torah was written by Moses some 3,500 years ago and it stated that the promise son was Issac. Islam comes along almost 2,000 years later and CHANGES what was already written by saying that the promise son is Ishmael. But yet your going to sit here and tell me that muslims don't believe there are changes @"Kwan Dai" ?

Who are you fooling? Definitely not me.

If you describe them as changes fine. Honestly I don't care what you believe, so I am not trying to fool you. You will walk away from this thread saying what are you've been saying from the beginning. What I am relaying to you is, Muslims believe the Quran to be God revealing the truth after the Torah, and Bible had been tampered with and distorted. Nothing more, nothing less.

If I describe them as changes? Come on brother. Let's be honest here. Anybody with half a brain can look at the evidence and see that the Koran changed what had already been written hundreds and even thousands of years before it came on the scene.

Look at what God said here:



"8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!" Galatians 1:8-9

Muhammad received a message from an angel in a cave 600 years after the above passage was written. He received A message that changed what was already established for hundreds of years!

Be honest my friend. You are only fooling yourself.

None of your works amount to anything in the sight of God. That is the problem with religion. Religion tells you to do this and do that, but Jesus Christ says DONE!!!!

Jesus Christ did all the work. Your works are filthy rags in His sight. The blood of Christ is what cleanses you from all sin. Where is your atonement for your sin in Islam?

God requires blood atonement for sin. And Islam has none. You have no blood in your religion to make reconciliation for your evil deeds. You have no cleansing. And if you don't repent you will utterly perish in the lake of fire forever. Amen.

 

[Ajackson17]

Abrahamic religion beefs I guess.....

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Abrahamic religion beefs I guess.....

Naw. Just light been shone in the darkness. For how shall they believe unless they hear the truth? Amen.