Aj Styles >>>HBK Appreciation Thread

[DOPEdweebz]

I think if u asked aj he'd prolly say hbk was an inspiration.

I think I'll just leave this thread alone tho cuz it's starting to come off as down playing hbk to boost aj which is highly unnecessary

Dont fall for the bait (too late)

 

[OGDirtyDee]

I think if u asked aj he'd prolly say hbk was an inspiration.

I think I'll just leave this thread alone tho cuz it's starting to come off as down playing hbk to boost aj which is highly unnecessary

Point blank period. Close thread.

 

[BangEm_Bart]

I think if u asked aj he'd prolly say hbk was an inspiration.

I think I'll just leave this thread alone tho cuz it's starting to come off as down playing hbk to boost aj which is highly unnecessary

I agree with the first statement but that's not entirely inclusive to HBK. Hulk Hogan was an inspiration to many great wrestlers including the Rock, HBK and Steve Austin saying that Terry is better is entirely debatable.

 

[DOPEdweebz]

I think if u asked aj he'd prolly say hbk was an inspiration.

I think I'll just leave this thread alone tho cuz it's starting to come off as down playing hbk to boost aj which is highly unnecessary

I agree with the first statement but that's not entirely inclusive to HBK. Hulk Hogan was an inspiration to many great wrestlers including the Rock, HBK and Steve Austin saying that Terry is better is entirely debatable.

And even Hogan had his inspirations also. I bet you HBK inspiration was Dynamite Kid, Ricky Steamboat and Macho Man even when he wrestled in the same company a few years later. I bet you HBK looked up to Curt Henning before he surpassed him.

And tag teams? Im not gonna say Midnight Express and Rock N Roll Express but I said them.

 

[blu197]

I can argue for most of their singles career Bret overshadowed HBK ijs

Straight up retardation in this post and thread.

When you factor charisma, mic skills, look, impact on the industry, storylines etc AJ is not even top 30 All Time, the only thing he does above average is his in ring work and even that isn't Top 10 All Time great...

I don't even consider AJ better than Punk All Time and Punk wasn't even all that to me..

AJ Bullet Club, AJ vs Nakamura single handleedly put both in WWE RIGHT NOW. AJ being the "Sting" of TNA has arguably skyrockted ever since leaving in a shorter amount of time.

Yall need to step out the WWE bubble and recognize the wrestling bubble.

The Club was Finns shit, not AJ. AJ vs Nakamura? A match nobody with a life saw when it happened in Japan and nobody will ever look up so who cares, literally ZERO impact on the industry. AJ the "Sting of TNA"? Gtfoh, Sting was the Sting of TNA.

AJ good in the ring but he's average to ass at everything else, he's not even better than RVD All Time.

Your first line proves your a WWE zombie bro. He was never Finn with the Bullet Club,he was Prince Devitt

It's the same guy you fuckin tool, "I only refer to wrestlers by their indie names" how big of a basement neckbeard are you? I bet you only call Seth "Tyler Black" and Dean "Jon Moxly" huh

You the type of nigga that thinks Nakamura is better than Undertaker, the type of nigga that thinks The Young Bucs are better than The New Age Outlaws. FOH you lame faggot, your opinion on anything wrestling from this day forth is ASS.

 

[jono]

I can argue for most of their singles career Bret overshadowed HBK ijs

Bret had a longer run as a singles star from 1991-2000. HBK was already retired before Bret got dome kicked by Goldberg but when he came back the crown was his alone.

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

Ok I'm back cuz this question is one I'm curious about

U say hbk meant more to wwe only n aj meant more to pro wrestling

How sway? Just cuz aj did all the Indies n hbk didn't? Hbk is directly impactful upon some of our fav indie/work rate guys, and more known world wide despite having not worked Indies since the 80's. I'm not downplaying aj impact but that just seems ridiculous, I need someone to explain this. No matter what yall or Vince says, wwe is still pro wrestling, stone cold said so.

Y'all are also downplaying hbk run on top when, as much as we wanted it too aj run in TNA or roh moved no needles and no it's not cuz "boo hoo everyone is wwe marks they don't know real wrestling" the criticism on hbk 90's run is overblown and misguided

 

[Peezy_Jenkins]

N no I wasn't saying hbk was aj only inspiration or he was the only guy to inspire wrestlers, I just think if u asked aj he'd probably name hbk

 

[DOPEdweebz]

I can argue for most of their singles career Bret overshadowed HBK ijs

Straight up retardation in this post and thread.

When you factor charisma, mic skills, look, impact on the industry, storylines etc AJ is not even top 30 All Time, the only thing he does above average is his in ring work and even that isn't Top 10 All Time great...

I don't even consider AJ better than Punk All Time and Punk wasn't even all that to me..

AJ Bullet Club, AJ vs Nakamura single handleedly put both in WWE RIGHT NOW. AJ being the "Sting" of TNA has arguably skyrockted ever since leaving in a shorter amount of time.

Yall need to step out the WWE bubble and recognize the wrestling bubble.

The Club was Finns shit, not AJ. AJ vs Nakamura? A match nobody with a life saw when it happened in Japan and nobody will ever look up so who cares, literally ZERO impact on the industry. AJ the "Sting of TNA"? Gtfoh, Sting was the Sting of TNA.

AJ good in the ring but he's average to ass at everything else, he's not even better than RVD All Time.

Your first line proves your a WWE zombie bro. He was never Finn with the Bullet Club,he was Prince Devitt

It's the same guy you fuckin tool, "I only refer to wrestlers by their indie names" how big of a basement neckbeard are you? I bet you only call Seth "Tyler Black" and Dean "Jon Moxly" huh

You the type of nigga that thinks Nakamura is better than Undertaker, the type of nigga that thinks The Young Bucs are better than The New Age Outlaws. FOH you lame faggot, your opinion on anything wrestling from this day forth is ASS.

Lol this nigga is in his feelings. Youve been successfully trolled. Btw you look foolish.

Bret was beating HBK for the most part in the IC and world championship scene until the Montreal Screwjob.

NJPW is indies? You big crybaby you.

 

[DOPEdweebz]

N no I wasn't saying hbk was aj only inspiration or he was the only guy to inspire wrestlers, I just think if u asked aj he'd probably name hbk

Nah I agree with you bro Im just messing.

 

[DOPEdweebz]

I can argue for most of their singles career Bret overshadowed HBK ijs

Bret had a longer run as a singles star from 1991-2000. HBK was already retired before Bret got dome kicked by Goldberg but when he came back the crown was his alone.

Im just going by the head to heads, HBK and Bret had many good IC matches that people forget about, and Bret pretty much owned him as I remember. Now We can just say its booking but on a serious note Bret and HBK are Ryu and Ken to me. Tom Brady and Peyt Manning. Both legends and as a true mark I had to choose one and hated the other, but I respect them both equally.

 

[blu197]

I can argue for most of their singles career Bret overshadowed HBK ijs

Bret had a longer run as a singles star from 1991-2000. HBK was already retired before Bret got dome kicked by Goldberg but when he came back the crown was his alone.

Im just going by the head to heads, HBK and Bret had many good IC matches that people forget about, and Bret pretty much owned him as I remember. Now We can just say its booking but on a serious note Bret and HBK are Ryu and Ken to me. Tom Brady and Peyt Manning. Both legends and as a true mark I had to choose one and hated the other, but I respect them both equally.

Bret dropped the World Title to HBK twice, HBK only dropped 3 singles belts in his entire career; the IC belt to Jannetty, WWF Title to Austin and WHC to HHH, every other singles belt HBK held he vacated via injury or lost his smile, so idk how Bret won more 1v1 matches against HBK in the IC and WWF Title scene..

 

[DOPEdweebz]

I can argue for most of their singles career Bret overshadowed HBK ijs

Bret had a longer run as a singles star from 1991-2000. HBK was already retired before Bret got dome kicked by Goldberg but when he came back the crown was his alone.

Im just going by the head to heads, HBK and Bret had many good IC matches that people forget about, and Bret pretty much owned him as I remember. Now We can just say its booking but on a serious note Bret and HBK are Ryu and Ken to me. Tom Brady and Peyt Manning. Both legends and as a true mark I had to choose one and hated the other, but I respect them both equally.

Bret dropped the World Title to HBK twice, HBK only dropped 3 singles belts in his entire career; the IC belt to Jannetty, WWF Title to Austin and WHC to HHH, every other singles belt HBK held he vacated via injury or lost his smile, so idk how Bret won more 1v1 matches against HBK in the IC and WWF Title scene..

Hart Foundation vs Rockers And Bret n Macho Man vs HBK n Flair Bret won a majority of those then...

July 21, 1992: Bret Hart defeated Shawn Michaels in the first ever Ladder match in the WWF

November 24, 1992 - Survivor Series: Bret Hart defeated Shawn

Michaels to retain the WWF Heavyweight title

November 24, 1993 - Survivor Series: Bret, Owen, Keith & Bruce Hart defeated Shawn Michaels (sub for Lawler) and his "Knights"

March 31, 1996 - Wrestlemania 12: Shawn Michaels defeated Bret Hart in a 60-minute Iron man match (1-0) to win the WWF title!

January 21, 1997 - WWF Toronto: Shawn Michaels defeated Bret Hart and Sycho Sid in a 3-WAY to retain the WWF title..

November 9, 1997 - Survivor Series: Shawn Michaels defeated Bret Hart for the WWF Heavyweight title with a lot of controversy

 

[dalyricalbandit]

Damn this went from an AJ vs HBK to a HBK vs Bret thread.

I was a Bret guy so it was alway Hitman over Shawn

 

[Already Home_17]

It's cause a lot of ppl are WWE fans more than wrestling fans but I agree. His TNA run was more impressive than HBK. His feud and faction with Flair was more impressive than HBK. His in-ring ability is more impressive than HBK. He adapts really well to every industry and storyline he's been in. HBK can't do that. He's WWE only. Their style is more slow paced.

#facts n AJ is a better winner

What does that mean? Being a better winner?

Been the man longer, more championships in more places, plus when HBK was a babyface champ in 96 that was considered a failure, and he wasnt moving merchandise like that as a top guy period. Ratings werent going through the roof until guys like Austin and The Rock developed into their characters. They were megastars not HBK.

DX was his peak marketability -and even then it was more of 2 man or 3 persons group working off each other.

HBK has meant alot mostly to WWE, AJ has meant alot to pro-wrestling period.

this is silly

wwe is the pinnacle of pro wrestling. when fans think of wresting, wwe is the first promotion that comes to mind. people around the world follow it, even the crirics. it's where a large majority of wrestlers aspire to be. it's been that way for a couple decades. and HBK fathered these niggas

ask any wrestler from any pro wrestling promotion who the GOAT is. out of these two names, styles will be mentioned the least. that's the truth. No disrespect to styles but y'all are disrespecting the hell out of Shawn. I'm not even that big of fan of dude but the shit being said in this thread is ridiculous

plus when HBK was a babyface champ in 96 that was considered a failure, and he wasnt moving merchandise like that as a top guy period. Ratings werent going through the roof

oh, NOW wwe critics wanna talk about the business side and not actual wrestling? regardless of how poor business was, that run established Shawn. he worked his ass off and showed the world what he's capable of. and did it on the biggest stage there was outside of WCW (but he would've never gotten a run there)

so by default, HBK's "failed" run in 96 was much bigger than anything styles has ever done in his entire career. at least until styles came to.....

wait for it.....

WWE

and this thread was only made because AJ is killing it where?

WWE

you kill it on that platform and all of a sudden the wrestling audience thinks more highly of you. this thread is living proof

 

[DOPEdweebz]

It's cause a lot of ppl are WWE fans more than wrestling fans but I agree. His TNA run was more impressive than HBK. His feud and faction with Flair was more impressive than HBK. His in-ring ability is more impressive than HBK. He adapts really well to every industry and storyline he's been in. HBK can't do that. He's WWE only. Their style is more slow paced.

#facts n AJ is a better winner

What does that mean? Being a better winner?

Been the man longer, more championships in more places, plus when HBK was a babyface champ in 96 that was considered a failure, and he wasnt moving merchandise like that as a top guy period. Ratings werent going through the roof until guys like Austin and The Rock developed into their characters. They were megastars not HBK.

DX was his peak marketability -and even then it was more of 2 man or 3 persons group working off each other.

HBK has meant alot mostly to WWE, AJ has meant alot to pro-wrestling period.

this is silly

wwe is the pinnacle of pro wrestling. when fans think of wresting, wwe is the first promotion that comes to mind. people around the world follow it, even the crirics. it's where a large majority of wrestlers aspire to be. it's been that way for a couple decades. and HBK fathered these niggas

ask any wrestler from any pro wrestling promotion who the GOAT is. out of these two names, styles will be mentioned the least. that's the truth. No disrespect to styles but y'all are disrespecting the hell out of Shawn. I'm not even that big of fan of dude but the shit being said in this thread is ridiculous

plus when HBK was a babyface champ in 96 that was considered a failure, and he wasnt moving merchandise like that as a top guy period. Ratings werent going through the roof

oh, NOW wwe critics wanna talk about the business side and not actual wrestling? regardless of how poor business was, that run established Shawn. he worked his ass off and showed the world what he's capable of. and did it on the biggest stage there was outside of WCW (but he would've never gotten a run there)

so by default, HBK's "failed" run in 96 was much bigger than anything styles has ever done in his entire career. at least until styles came to.....

wait for it.....

WWE

and this thread was only made because AJ is killing it where?

WWE

you kill it on that platform and all of a sudden the wrestling audience thinks more highly of you. this thread is living proof

I think you literally camped out on one part of MANY POSTS, and tried to make your argument off of that.

Believe it or not you can be a huge wrestling star without ever stepping in a WWE ring. It can happen. WWE is the biggest game but in America, maybe the world (I dont have numbers to prove this though thats my main issue with your point), but I wouldnt say WWE the NBA of talent or showcase. Go to Mexico, go to Europe, go to Africa, go to Asia, everybody got their own wrestling scene, everybody has their own perspective of who the GOAT is and its not limited to a WWE roster. It was and still is an international spectator sport, and its close minded of you to think man if its not WWE then it dont count. Thats like saying 99% of Stings career is meaningless, and others like him.

 

[BangEm_Bart]

It's cause a lot of ppl are WWE fans more than wrestling fans but I agree. His TNA run was more impressive than HBK. His feud and faction with Flair was more impressive than HBK. His in-ring ability is more impressive than HBK. He adapts really well to every industry and storyline he's been in. HBK can't do that. He's WWE only. Their style is more slow paced.

#facts n AJ is a better winner

What does that mean? Being a better winner?

Been the man longer, more championships in more places, plus when HBK was a babyface champ in 96 that was considered a failure, and he wasnt moving merchandise like that as a top guy period. Ratings werent going through the roof until guys like Austin and The Rock developed into their characters. They were megastars not HBK.

DX was his peak marketability -and even then it was more of 2 man or 3 persons group working off each other.

HBK has meant alot mostly to WWE, AJ has meant alot to pro-wrestling period.

this is silly

wwe is the pinnacle of pro wrestling. when fans think of wresting, wwe is the first promotion that comes to mind. people around the world follow it, even the crirics. it's where a large majority of wrestlers aspire to be. it's been that way for a couple decades. and HBK fathered these niggas

ask any wrestler from any pro wrestling promotion who the GOAT is. out of these two names, styles will be mentioned the least. that's the truth. No disrespect to styles but y'all are disrespecting the hell out of Shawn. I'm not even that big of fan of dude but the shit being said in this thread is ridiculous

plus when HBK was a babyface champ in 96 that was considered a failure, and he wasnt moving merchandise like that as a top guy period. Ratings werent going through the roof

oh, NOW wwe critics wanna talk about the business side and not actual wrestling? regardless of how poor business was, that run established Shawn. he worked his ass off and showed the world what he's capable of. and did it on the biggest stage there was outside of WCW (but he would've never gotten a run there)

so by default, HBK's "failed" run in 96 was much bigger than anything styles has ever done in his entire career. at least until styles came to.....

wait for it.....

WWE

and this thread was only made because AJ is killing it where?

WWE

you kill it on that platform and all of a sudden the wrestling audience thinks more highly of you. this thread is living proof

Good point

 

[Already Home_17]

It's cause a lot of ppl are WWE fans more than wrestling fans but I agree. His TNA run was more impressive than HBK. His feud and faction with Flair was more impressive than HBK. His in-ring ability is more impressive than HBK. He adapts really well to every industry and storyline he's been in. HBK can't do that. He's WWE only. Their style is more slow paced.

#facts n AJ is a better winner

What does that mean? Being a better winner?

Been the man longer, more championships in more places, plus when HBK was a babyface champ in 96 that was considered a failure, and he wasnt moving merchandise like that as a top guy period. Ratings werent going through the roof until guys like Austin and The Rock developed into their characters. They were megastars not HBK.

DX was his peak marketability -and even then it was more of 2 man or 3 persons group working off each other.

HBK has meant alot mostly to WWE, AJ has meant alot to pro-wrestling period.

this is silly

wwe is the pinnacle of pro wrestling. when fans think of wresting, wwe is the first promotion that comes to mind. people around the world follow it, even the crirics. it's where a large majority of wrestlers aspire to be. it's been that way for a couple decades. and HBK fathered these niggas

ask any wrestler from any pro wrestling promotion who the GOAT is. out of these two names, styles will be mentioned the least. that's the truth. No disrespect to styles but y'all are disrespecting the hell out of Shawn. I'm not even that big of fan of dude but the shit being said in this thread is ridiculous

plus when HBK was a babyface champ in 96 that was considered a failure, and he wasnt moving merchandise like that as a top guy period. Ratings werent going through the roof

oh, NOW wwe critics wanna talk about the business side and not actual wrestling? regardless of how poor business was, that run established Shawn. he worked his ass off and showed the world what he's capable of. and did it on the biggest stage there was outside of WCW (but he would've never gotten a run there)

so by default, HBK's "failed" run in 96 was much bigger than anything styles has ever done in his entire career. at least until styles came to.....

wait for it.....

WWE

and this thread was only made because AJ is killing it where?

WWE

you kill it on that platform and all of a sudden the wrestling audience thinks more highly of you. this thread is living proof

I think you literally camped out on one part of MANY POSTS, and tried to make your argument off of that.

Believe it or not you can be a huge wrestling star without ever stepping in a WWE ring. It can happen. WWE is the biggest game but in America, maybe the world (I dont have numbers to prove this though thats my main issue with your point), but I wouldnt say WWE the NBA of talent or showcase. Go to Mexico, go to Europe, go to Africa, go to Asia, everybody got their own wrestling scene, everybody has their own perspective of who the GOAT is and its not limited to a WWE roster. It was and still is an international spectator sport, and its close minded of you to think man if its not WWE then it dont count. Thats like saying 99% of Stings career is meaningless, and others like him.

I never said other promotions didn't count. I said wwe is the pennicle of professional wrestling. it's the most recognized promotion in the world

it sounded like you were putting wwe in a bubble in the world of professional wrestling, like it isn't the biggest promotion there is

the best is debatable

the biggest? I thought that was obvious

 

[JohnBlackwell]

AJ Styles vs Bret Hart > Kurt Angle vs Bret Hart

 

[dalyricalbandit]

Idk about that Kurt vs Bret would've been magic