Affirming Tupac’s GOAT status as a rap artist…What’s your opinion?

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Being Authentic: “Keeping it Real” “Keeping it Gangsta” was the mantra of Tupac’s career. What made him so believable was the fact that he actually lived what he wrote (sometimes to the point of sensationalism, like actually shooting at cops…sometimes to the point of self-destruction, like becoming embroiled in confrontation and beefs of all sorts). But it wasn’t just his antics that made him a star -- but the fact that he could honestly express the reality of his own life. For listeners, his swagger and his voice communicated so much realness and authenticity. As Michael Eric Dyson writes, “What distinguished Tupac from most of his peers was the quality of heart and honesty of expression he brought to his craft. He possessed an emotional immediacy and psychic intimacy that are hard to fake, that are difficult to drum up or duplicate…” Instead of merely conforming to what was trendy or en vogue, Tupac used every fiber of his being, every muscle in his body, to express the rage, wonder, fear, hope, and despair of life. And you’ll find all sorts of contradictions and emotions in his work, because he was constantly searching for the best representation of his inner self. Sure, Tupac was just as much part of the mainstream as any other popular rapper. But even while situating himself in pop culture (with movies, publications, and his image as a gangsta) he was still recognized for having a truly authentic voice. It was this heartfelt and honest portrayal of life that allowed him to connect with so many people. Whether in music or in deed, Tupac resonated with the black youth, and more than any other rapper, he spoke to their struggles, their desires, their hopes, their ambitions, and their frustrations….thus vindicating the ideal of art being both personal and universal

Being Transformative: As a rap artist, Tupac understood the power of ideas and hip hop’s subversive potential as rebellious self-expression. His erratic and unpredictable behavior was the stuff of legend, but so was his thought-provoking lyricism – and that lyricism was what made him one of most important revolutionaries of his time. Like KRS and Chuck D before him, Tupac was able to use the power of hip hop music to educate as well as entertain, and laced his music with political messages. He talked about running for president and being a spokesperson for urban black America. Some contemporaries, like Sen. Bob Doyle and Vice President Dan Quayle, condemned his music as violent and sexist. But for so many others, Tupac was uplifting. He believed at the bottom of his heart that he had a mission, and that mission was to tell the truth about injustice as powerfully and honestly as his artistic gifts would allow him. In the process, his art became a catalyst for change and his words an indictment of discrimination, ghettoization, and the oppression facing his community. Yet as Jake Brown writes, “[Tupac] spoke a universal language, spoken in multi-tracked tongues that could advocate for every fight and plight . . . in a single song.” Just see how his music has traveled to places like Serbia and the Middle East to empower the culture and struggles of so many others. Macy Gray said it best, “Tupac inspired all musicians not only to look within ourselves but to look to how we could be instrumental in helping other people.”

Being Timeless: The staying power of Tupac’s music and his memory is truly historical. No other rap artist has become so omnipotent nor so recognizable to the rest of the world. Pac is a cultural icon on the same magnitude of Kurt Cobain, Elvis Presley, and Marilyn Monroe. He has become a legend whose music and memory continues to live on through annual festivals, museum exhibits, clothing, web sites and even babies’ names – (“surely you've noticed the scores of kindergarteners named Tupac, right?” writes one commentator) His image and quotes are frequently imprinted upon memorabilia, clothing, products, and media. His songs and recordings are constantly being remixed, remastered, re-packaged, and re-released every year. Shit, they even brought the nigga back from the dead using a hologram….a fucking HOLOGRAM!!!! And even though it’s been years since his passing, Tupac’s artistic work continues to spark interest and debate. As Benjamin Meadow-Ingram writes, “His artistic breadth and violent death have allowed him to become feted as a brilliant poet by respected intellects, demonized as an immoral street punk by politicians and older blacks, and celebrated as a worthy rider by real niggas” No other rapper has been more lamented, admired, commemorated, despised, or analyzed than Tupac. We are alays pulling on him, evoking him, cursing him, and celebrating him his legacy. He is still very much the yardstick by which we assess the impact of rap artists even today.

None of this means that Tupac was hip hop’s best greatest example of an emcee. Frankly, he was not that impressive of a wordsmith nor did he master the craft of flow and dexterity as others have. Yet as Michael Eric Dyson explains:

Tupac was not hip hop’s most gifted emcee by any of the criteria that define the form’s artistic apotheosis. He did not, for instance, possess the effortless rhythmic patterns of Snoop Dogg, the formidable timing and breath control of the incomparable KRS-One, the poetic intensity of Rakim, the deft political rage of Chuck D, the forceful enunciation of M.C. Lyte, or the novelistic descriptions and sly cadences of Notorious B.I.G. . . Still, Tupac may be the most influential and compelling rapper of them all. It is not that Tupac lacked supreme talent in writing lyrics, composing dramatic stories and manipulating his voice to haunting effect. But he was more than the sum of his artistic parts . . . Above all, Tupac was a transcendant force of creative fury who relentlessly articulated a generation’s defining moods . . . He was the zeitgeist in sagging jeans.

So what’s your verdict on Tupac’s greatness as a rap artist? Is it well-deserved? Is it overplayed and exaggerated? Does it unfairly overshadow the greatness of other rap artists, who simply haven’t been able to achieve the same type of stardom? Or is this even a conversation worth having at all?

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Yeah he is one of the GOATS.

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If ya'll feel tired of Pac, that's fine. No one is gonna force you to be a part of this thread. It's too bad though, niggas don't love to read as much as I love to write lol

My aim for this thread was to really get us thinking about how we choose our legends, and why we choose to emphasize the work of some artists over others. That's why I ask, whether ya'll feel there are other artists who might be more deserving of "greatness"? For instance, is it wrong to give Tupac this much attention, if other artists have shown more genius than him?

 
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2Pac has gotten his due credit for 20 years. Nothins changed. I had business to take care of today and Pac was already in my deck when I rolled out. But true, I have other favorite rappers too. I dont care what nobody says I listen to what I like. But in the real world he's nearly universally considered a great or the greatest by rap listeners all over the world. That aint changing.
 
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Just in case no one seen this post yet... I gave 5 reasons why Pac is the GOAT

5 Reasons Why Tupac Is The G.O.A.T

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1. His work ethic can't be touched. First started in 1990 and dropped his first album in 1991 (2Pacalypse Now) and made 6 album in 5 years (4 if you count the time he was behind bars) Pac managed to drop more than 450 songs till his death in September of 96. He was in n out of court and was making movies yet he found time to record so much songs that contributed about 8 posthumous albums plus he still music that hasn't even been released yet



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2. Pac was versatile when it came to subject matter. Pac had songs from Keep Ya Head Up to Hit Em Up and from How Do You Want It to Hail Mary. Pac touched on all subjects (Women,Sex,Gangs,Politics,Fast Life Style,Family Problems,Poverty, and Religion).

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3. Pac probably was the Realest and Smartest Emcee never held his tongue and always dropped knowledge. He talked about everything he rapped about and let everyone know what was on his mind whether it was negative or positive. His meaning for THUGLIFE showed how deep he was

(The Hate U Give Little Infants Fucks Everyone) He stated many times how THUG LIFE wasn't about Killing,Raping or Robbing People and how it it was about the youth and our future. Pac gave back to a lot of communities and did a lot for others he never asked for cameras to follow him around so people can see the other side of him,he didn't care if the media was around or not. Pac would talk about poverty,politics and religion when other Emcees shy away from those subjects.



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4. Tupac wasn't overrated no matter what you think. Overrated is thrown when Pac is mention because of all the hype he got since his death. Even though I was young when he passed I have cousins who where old enough to witness Pac in the spotlight, Pac was extremely popular while he was still alive All Eyes On Me sold 5 million copies in only 2 months he was the biggest name in hip hop at the time and for people to say he's overrated is straight blasphemous. He was in the studio making 3 songs day and filming movies. His music never lacked passion and his pen game was on point, there's cats out there who claim Pac wasn't nice on the mic. Those are the same cats who don't focus on what Pac says check songs out like Heartz Of Men,Ambitonz Az A Ridah,Street Fame (off Better Dayz),Got My Mind Made Up,Me Against The World ect.ect.

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5. Hate him or Love him you can't deny that Tupac was and is the most influential rapper of all time.

Pac has been dead for 17 years yet his name and legacy still lives. I was born n raised in The Bay and seen the impact Pac left here I also been overseas and Pac is just as big on the international scene as he is in the states.

Every rapper that came after Pac has taken something from whether its from his personal life or his music. Pac definitely left a mark on music not just Hip-Hop he influenced everyone from 50 Cent to Game to Kendrick and yes even Justin Beiber, Pac's influence was so big that it reached outside the Hip Hop community. I feel like we lost more than just a rapper, but an ICON and a Role Model to some. We will never see another artist as real and creative as Pac. I feel like NaS is the last emcee who can still do that.


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R.I.P To The Greatest To Ever Do It

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Lol, it looks I've scarred the Tupac's skeptics into hiding.... I guess there's no really no denying his fame. The question is, if other artists can't accomplish the same type of stardom, how can they merit their own claim to greatness too? That's what I'm really trying to figure out.

If no one wants to take up this question, I might decide to do an analysis on Nas, RZA, Andre 3000, Mos Def, Cube, or Kanye, and see where they stand in comparison. Anyone interested in that type of shit? Or should I let this thread die?

 
Nas jay big red wu always hyped me up and made me wanna rhyme pac not so much. I take nothing from him he had more than a few joints but g.o.a.t nah not even in my top 5 thats me tho
 
He's #1 in my top 5, but I won't put the artist over the art. This ain't a popularity contest. That's not what the culture is supposed to be about.
 
Yeah, people give themselves strokes arguing about who is "better" on here every day. And nobody changes their mind because everybody has their own opinions. Today its "Outkast vs Wu". A guaranteed feelings fest. Like I said earlier the only thing that matters is listening to what you want.
 

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