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theillestrator
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well, they were supposedly made as adults, at least i'm guessing. without any real life experience, why would eve's decision-making have such a dramatic effect? it would seem without a childhood, god would have to give them a certain personality without them having the years to form their own.
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theillestrator;950777 said:well, they were supposedly made as adults, at least i'm guessing. without any real life experience, why would eve's decision-making have such a dramatic effect? it would seem without a childhood, god would have to give them a certain personality without them having the years to form their own.
Guessing is they key word. Youre also guessing that Adam and Eve are individuals. You cant get the correct answer if you asking the wrong question.
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Adam and Eve did not lack a childhood. Adam and Eve were not the first people on the planet.
They represent a new type of man and rulership on the Earth. Not an individual male-female relationship.
" Let us make man in our image and after our likeness". "Male and Female he created them and called their name Adam."
These two statements give a clue of the origin and nature of Adam and Eve.
They represent a new type of man and rulership on the Earth. Not an individual male-female relationship.
" Let us make man in our image and after our likeness". "Male and Female he created them and called their name Adam."
These two statements give a clue of the origin and nature of Adam and Eve.
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theillestrator
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judahxulu;950960 said:Guessing is they key word. Youre also guessing that Adam and Eve are individuals. You cant get the correct answer if you asking the wrong question.
well, i don't believe in the bible so i'm also guessing that it would be more helpful to get an explanation than it would be what you provided.
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theillestrator
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And Step;950989 said:Adam and Eve did not lack a childhood. Adam and Eve were not the first people on the planet.
They represent a new type of man and rulership on the Earth. Not an individual male-female relationship.
" Let us make man in our image and after our likeness". "Male and Female he created them and called their name Adam."
These two statements give a clue of the origin and nature of Adam and Eve.
as far as christianity goes, who was the first then? and correct me if i'm wrong, didn't eve come from adam's body?
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theillestrator;950994 said:well, i don't believe in the bible so i'm also guessing that it would be more helpful to get an explanation than it would be what you provided.
Why even ask then?
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theillestrator
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judahxulu;951318 said:Why even ask then?
curiousity...is that illegal?
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theillestrator;951328 said:curiousity...is that illegal?
Naw...Im just asking. Its just kind of weird to me to make a thread based on a (false) definitive statement "Adam and Eves lack of childhood" and then asking a question based off of that concept if you feel the book is false in the first place. its not that serious though.
There was no childhood written in there because uit did not refer to individuals and even if it did it obviously wasnt central to the point of what the author(s) were trying to convey.
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theillestrator
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judahxulu;951374 said:Naw...Im just asking. Its just kind of weird to me to make a thread based on a (false) definitive statement "Adam and Eves lack of childhood" and then asking a question based off of that concept if you feel the book is false in the first place. its not that serious though.
There was no childhood written in there because uit did not refer to individuals and even if it did it obviously wasnt central to the point of what the author(s) were trying to convey.
if I were to ask why Neo took the red pill over the blue even though i knew the movie wasn't real, does that make the question any less serious? since when did you have to follow a faith to question it? the idea of a man and woman being made as adults and then expected to make big decisions without any real life experience is interesting to me. if i need to join a church and accept christ to question that, then nevermind.
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theillestrator;951430 said:if I were to ask why Neo took the red pill over the blue even though i knew the movie wasn't real, does that make the question any less serious? since when did you have to follow a faith to question it? the idea of a man and woman being made as adults and then expected to make big decisions without any real life experience is interesting to me. if i need to join a church and accept christ to question that, then nevermind.
Not an accurate analogy. This is what you did: So Neo took the green pill...Why was that?
I never said you have to do anything. Since when cant curiosity be met with more curiosity?
The idea of a man and woman being made as an adult is quite interesting but thats not in the Bible. Its some pretty cool stuff in the story of Adam and Eve about the dualistic mind though...
Furthermore..church and Christ has nothing to do with me or the Bible so I dont see the relevance of mentioning it.
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theillestrator
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judahxulu;951497 said:Not an accurate analogy. This is what you did: So Neo took the green pill...Why was that?
I never said you have to do anything. Since when cant curiosity be met with more curiosity?
The idea of a man and woman being made as an adult is quite interesting but thats not in the Bible. Its some pretty cool stuff in the story of Adam and Eve about the dualistic mind though...
Furthermore..church and Christ has nothing to do with me or the Bible so I dont see the relevance of mentioning it.
The concept of the post had nothing to do with you, so don't look for relevance between you and it. No matter what question I asked about the matrix, the point was that I would be asking a question about a story that i knew wasn't real but I still wanted to find out about. Pretty simple, I would think. The idea of a man and woman being made as an adult is indeed interesting, that's why I'm asking. But how is it not in the bible?
20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
So what came from Adam's rib while he was in this deep sleep? what made them compatible? she practically just came out of nowhere.
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theillestrator;951960 said:The concept of the post had nothing to do with you, so don't look for relevance between you and it. No matter what question I asked about the matrix, the point was that I would be asking a question about a story that i knew wasn't real but I still wanted to find out about. Pretty simple, I would think. The idea of a man and woman being made as an adult is indeed interesting, that's why I'm asking. But how is it not in the bible?
20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
So what came from Adam's rib while he was in this deep sleep? what made them compatible? she practically just came out of nowhere.
Quit being dodgy about getting busted out on a loaded etheresque question.
You mentioned the church and Christ directly to me. If you ask a question on a public forum then the question is specifically for whoever reads it unless you mention someone specifically by name.
The bible verse.
Short version.
Mistranslation to allegorical Hebrew text. Mind you an allegory of human devlop[ment.
Adam/Eve= Humanity.They must be counted as one which leads to the next layer
Adam- Intellectual faculty in man
Eve- faculty of will
rib= word here really means "side"
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judahxulu;952170 said:Quit being dodgy about getting busted out on a loaded etheresque question.
You mentioned the church and Christ directly to me. If you ask a question on a public forum then the question is specifically for whoever reads it unless you mention someone specifically by name.
The bible verse.
Short version.
Mistranslation to allegorical Hebrew text. Mind you an allegory of human devlop[ment.
Adam/Eve= Humanity.They must be counted as one which leads to the next layer
Adam- Intellectual faculty in man
Eve- faculty of will
rib= word here really means "side"
So if Adam and Eve aren't "real humans" just an allegory then what would that mean about Cain and Abel? And those born from them and from those born from them?
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theillestrator
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judahxulu;952170 said:Quit being dodgy about getting busted out on a loaded etheresque question.
You mentioned the church and Christ directly to me. If you ask a question on a public forum then the question is specifically for whoever reads it unless you mention someone specifically by name.
The bible verse.
Short version.
Mistranslation to allegorical Hebrew text. Mind you an allegory of human devlop[ment.
Adam/Eve= Humanity.They must be counted as one which leads to the next layer
Adam- Intellectual faculty in man
Eve- faculty of will
rib= word here really means "side"
i'm not dodging shit. was I talking to you? yes. does the connection of the bible and church exist? yes. do you have to be church member for that to remain true? no. stop talking about yourself. i don't care about you. you were questioning me for not believing in the bible, yet questioning it, so that is what I stated...like only believers can question it. if that's not what you were saying, then my fault. i'm just looking for an explanation. one and half pages and it's filled with us explaining our posts. It's just a mistranslation? well, maybe? but I still find it hard to see that after god's seven day world building activities, that adam and eve aren't the two humans that he made first. if mistranslation is your explanation, then thanks for taking the time to answer it. i really appreciate it.
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VIBE86;952198 said:So if Adam and Eve aren't "real humans" just an allegory then what would that mean about Cain and Abel? And those born from them and from those born from them?
a specific group of humans; not individuals
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theillestrator;952228 said:i'm not dodging shit. Was i talking to you? Yes. Does the connection of the bible and church exist? Yes. Do you have to be church member for that to remain true? No. Stop talking about yourself. I don't care about you. You were questioning me for not believing in the bible, yet questioning it, so that is what i stated...like only believers can question it. If that's not what you were saying, then my fault. I'm just looking for an explanation. One and half pages and it's filled with us explaining our posts. It's just a mistranslation? Well, maybe? But i still find it hard to see that after god's seven day world building activities, that adam and eve aren't the two humans that he made first. If mistranslation is your explanation, then thanks for taking the time to answer it. I really appreciate it.
uh-huh.....
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I think it's hilarious when people ask loaded questions only to get that ass handed to them by someone who actually can defend their position in an intelligent manner, rather than the typical rote, "well the book says so and that's it answer"
Classic case of when keep it atheist goes wrong. LOL
Classic case of when keep it atheist goes wrong. LOL
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Hyde Parke
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theillestrator
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And Step;952959 said:I think it's hilarious when people ask loaded questions only to get that ass handed to them by someone who actually can defend their position in an intelligent manner, rather than the typical rote, "well the book says so and that's it answer"
Classic case of when keep it atheist goes wrong. LOL
you have an honorable sense of humor. i admire that. i just wish that "well the book says so and that's it answer" was what I was looking for. not all atheists (i'm agnostic btw) are cynical people trying to make people of faith look stupid. by the way, i think it's hilarious when route is misspelled.
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