A Serious Discussion About "African-American Culture"

[semi-auto-mato]

the cultural studies have been done about African Americans. the world agrees its a very real culture. a few here don't. examples of a language, traditions, customs, beliefs, and habits are there. some have been talked about and some have not. the focus in this thread has been music.

OG is correct...y'all really don't wanna give AA credit for anything. someone else started it or they heavily influenced it. unique culture? there is no such thing anywhere. all cultures take from somewhere.

here is a really fucked up thing about African Americans. we are the only people who enjoy breaking down our people. we will even sit around and applaud other people for breaking us down.

hey man y'all know better than the world. we aint culture. we aint shit

That's bullshit i already have AA'S CREDIT for alot of shit but hip-hop did not come together only under african american hands.

blues, jazz,soul etc etc nobody can take that away from you that's clearly yours and everybody on the planet loves those art forms. Not to mention that in my mind the greatest black writers have been african american BUT hip-hop was really a coming together of different blacks

nah nigga u have took plenty of shots at us. to be honest the way y'all just kept going back and forth about hip hop was a great thread derail and straight disrespectful to the African american culture.

y'all can carry on..i'm good

quote me dissing african americans in this thread??? you can't do it can you???

nigga.. the whole hip hop discussion was disrespectful. u aint add anything to this damn thread. u been on some AA's aint create hip hop since like page 2. now u wanna derail the thread again on some quote me kiddie bullshit?

nah I said I'm good before u ass even get started...smh

it's disrespectful telling you the truth??? what you want me to say that african american by themselves created hip-hop culture even through there is more than enough proof that that is not the truth. the real disrespect would be me lying to you. niggas always want to bring up shit then when what to back down from it

I have no idea what the phrase back down means. I don't play games either. the hip hop back and forth was straight trash. a real pussy move to derail this thread. u had nothing of value to add to this discussion.

I said carry on. I also said im good. I don't fuck with certain types of niggas. u one of niggas that cant be told shit. y'all know everything. its no reason for me to go back and forth with u. find the another nigga to do that shit with. im good!

look nigga if you can't stand on your words with logic,sense and proof then you just talking shit, don't fucking tell me i disrespected AA AND THEN when i ask you how you can't fucking prove it.

I did not derail this thread if african americans are going to claim hip-hop as their culture than that claim need to be investigated. if it proves not to be true then it's a false claim.

I have a BA in History from Hampton University. to be a historian u must be a critical and logical thinker. you are discussing...no we all are discussing things here that can be answered by simply opening up a new tab and doing a search. you can go to a library and find the answers. the history of hip hop is well documented. we were told that knowing dates was cool but the question to ask is always why? if you ask yourself why was hip hop created you will understand the reason hip hop is considered to be african american. now take your logical, sensible, proof wanting ass somewhere and read a fucking book nigga.

The only reason hip-hop is considered to be african american is because all art and culture that originates from blacks in america is erroneously assumed to be the sole creation of african americans. much the same way the white culture in this nation just assumes all black people are the same the mainstream culture just assumed that all black art in america is only african american.

i asked why was hip hop created and this is us response? u just jumped straight to a conclusion. u didnt show your work or anything else. imma have to give u a D+ for this assignment. i would give u a F but i gave you points for determination.

be easy and enjoy the rest of ur night

LOL @ SHOW my work nigga this is not a math class it's not a class period because you are not teaching shit

Hip-hop was created because poor black people wanted to express themselves and have fun the melting pot of various black and hispanic people created hip-hop in nyc .

shame on u for thinking work is only shown in math. life is a class. u can always learn something new.

the kid from south america mentioned Bam to u and u went in on him. u didnt try to understand where he was coming from at all. u are way too concerned with proving ur points. u are so stuck on being right that it limits u. ur one of those dudes who knows a lil about a lot and think u know it all. like ghost said...i hate smart dumb niggas. i asked u a simple question and u made sure u said things like melting pot.. black and hispanic. i never said u were right or u were wrong. i said explore the why. continue to explore the why and it will help u understand.

I went in one him only after he got disrespectful without being able to prove his point this whole BAM CREATED hip-hop mythology ends to die. dude being all the way in brazil and spitting back that myth as truth is more reason for me to crush that myth.

when someone is wrong the only thing you can learn from them is why they are wrong so you don't fall into the same hole.

if a group of scientist from all different backgrounds get together and make a bomb does it belong to the world or to the people who needed the bomb and employed the group? why would a group of people want to express themselves in basements and backyards? why did the dj come before the mc? were herc and others assimilated into African American culture?

it is very easy to read names and remember dates. ur having a discussion about ownership and not addressing the why. u not addressing the need. ur not addressing what defines ownership. is ownership a based off of creation? does it belong to the gatekeepers (and this is where Bam comes in)? can creativity be sold and if so did people from other backgrounds sell it to the AA community? what vision did these guys have in the beginning (which goes right back to the why was it created)?

the questions are endless and u keep failing to answer any of them. u are one of them I love to debate niggas but ur always saying a whole lotta nuffin.

 

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

Yall bitch niggas pop shit about african americans until yall blue in the face then act all surprised when we clap back, fuck yall niggas

 

[semi-auto-mato]

here is a video that I watched and found interesting. a regular chick asked questions and giving her honest answers. I agreed with some and disagreed with other stuff. I loved her honesty. my favorite quote....What? I never thought of myself as not having a culture.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

You can show pride in yourself and your culture without dissing others thats insecure af

 

[wugag]

Yall bitch niggas pop shit about african americans until yall blue in the face then act all surprised when we clap back, fuck yall niggas

Brah who did that or doing that

 

[jetlifebih]

Good video

 

[Tragedy1]

Its some odd shit going on in here.

Niggas like "African Americans have no culture"but every time I turn around I see white folks sectioning our shit off from theirs

The BLACK church

"Urban" radio

BLACK english

"Urban" wear

HBCUs

BLACK History

"Urban" Art

Soul Food

But niggas don't have culture because of..rites of passage? Niggas what are Chinese rights or passage? What are Japanese rights of passage? Russian, English, Irish etc very few societies still focus on that archaic bullshit.

But it doesn't matter because just like white folks think these weirdo niggas believe Blacks in America have never done anything...ever. Anything we have ever done is attributed to either Africa, Whites or some Islanders even if its a massive fucking reach. Lol

This shit a troll thread disguised as a debate.

african americans do have a culture but you did not create hip-hop by yourself there is no reach in that it's just the reality of history.

I haven't kept up with the thread but I would assume that hip hop culture, or at the very least hip hop music, stems from 'ethnic' black American culture and music (ie. soul and funk), despite individual West Indians being influential, even crucial, to it's origin. The ethnic background of some of hip hop's founding fathers wouldn't necessarily mean that the actual music or style they produced stemmed from W.I culture and not B.A culture. Not that I've done heavy research on the issue nor do I particularly care one way or the other. I could create a new genre of music that's rooted in Chinese and Japanese traditional music and it wouldn't necessarily be considered 'African' music just because I'm an ethnic African. You could be right, though. Either way, no one debating this had anything to do with it.

What does it's genesis look like?

I think it was developed by 18th century African slaves in the American South.

Has it influenced any other cultures around the world? Or has AA culture been influenced by other cultures in any way?

I think it has African (mostly West African but some of the slaves came from the Congo/Angola region), English and Scots-Irish influence (because, if I'm not mistaken, Southern culture in general was developed by English and Scots-Irish settlers. I'm not a history expert, though, and I've always wondered if there's some African influence on mainstream Southern culture, like there seems to be in some mainstream Latino cultures, and maybe Native American influence or other Europeans cultures as well). I remember hearing somewhere that modern B.A.E is rooted largely in some old English dialect.

How has it evolved over time?

Don't all cultures evolve?

You can show pride in yourself and your culture without dissing others thats insecure af

I think ethnic pride is good in and of itself (because it's a form of happiness) but for indirect reasons, I think it might be a bad idea (you can be pro-universal empathy and proud of your ethnicity but you're probably less likely to be if you see yourself first and foremost as a member of your ethnic group and not just as a person or a sentient being) . This wouldn't be my argument against it but, either way, I think it's irrational to pride yourself on something you had no control over unless by 'pride' you just mean you're happy about it. Even legitimate 'pride' (high self-esteem) can be a problem.

 

[babelipsss]

^^Unbuntu?

 

[zzombie]

Its some odd shit going on in here.

Niggas like "African Americans have no culture"but every time I turn around I see white folks sectioning our shit off from theirs

The BLACK church

"Urban" radio

BLACK english

"Urban" wear

HBCUs

BLACK History

"Urban" Art

Soul Food

But niggas don't have culture because of..rites of passage? Niggas what are Chinese rights or passage? What are Japanese rights of passage? Russian, English, Irish etc very few societies still focus on that archaic bullshit.

But it doesn't matter because just like white folks think these weirdo niggas believe Blacks in America have never done anything...ever. Anything we have ever done is attributed to either Africa, Whites or some Islanders even if its a massive fucking reach. Lol

This shit a troll thread disguised as a debate.

african americans do have a culture but you did not create hip-hop by yourself there is no reach in that it's just the reality of history.

I haven't kept up with the thread but I would assume that hip hop culture, or at the very least hip hop music, stems from 'ethnic' black American culture and music (ie. soul and funk), despite individual West Indians being influential, even crucial, to it's origin. The ethnic background of some of hip hop's founding fathers wouldn't necessarily mean that the actual music or style they produced stemmed from W.I culture and not B.A culture. Not that I've done heavy research on the issue nor do I particularly care one way or the other. I could create a new genre of music that's rooted in Chinese and Japanese traditional music and it wouldn't necessarily be considered 'African' music just because I'm an ethnic African. You could be right, though. Either way, no one debating this had anything to do with it.

What does it's genesis look like?

I think it was developed by 18th century African slaves in the American South.

Has it influenced any other cultures around the world? Or has AA culture been influenced by other cultures in any way?

I think it has African (mostly West African but some of the slaves came from the Congo/Angola region), English and Scots-Irish influence (because, if I'm not mistaken, Southern culture in general was developed by English and Scots-Irish settlers. I'm not a history expert, though, and I've always wondered if there's some African influence on mainstream Southern culture, like there seems to be in some mainstream Latino cultures, and maybe Native American influence or other Europeans cultures as well). I remember hearing somewhere that modern B.A.E is rooted largely in some old English dialect.

How has it evolved over time?

Don't all cultures evolve?

You can show pride in yourself and your culture without dissing others thats insecure af

I think ethnic pride is good in and of itself (because it's a form of happiness) but for indirect reasons, I think it might be a bad idea (you can be pro-universal empathy and proud of your ethnicity but you're probably less likely to be if you see yourself first and foremost as a member of your ethnic group and not just as a person or a sentient being) . This wouldn't be my argument against it but, either way, I think it's irrational to pride yourself on something you had no control over unless by 'pride' you just mean you're happy about it. Even legitimate 'pride' (high self-esteem) can be a problem.

You are making the same mistake other people have made in this thread by confusing music with culture THE musical aspects of hip-hop are raping and deejaying. The raping is basically african american but the innovation in deejaying that sets hip-hop deejays apart from for example disco deejays is heavily influenced by west indian people living in america. FROM the actually equipment that the deejays used to the innovation of the style of play.

so what i am say is that what they played was AA MUSIC but how they played it that was a collaboration and this collaboration is doubly so in some of the other art forms that make up hip-hop expression. if you are african and are making traditional chinese music then it's chinese. However if you take that music and play it in your own african way and use your own african techniques to play it then it's no longer tradtional chinese music

 

[Tragedy1]

I could be wrong. Maybe rapping and other elements of hip hop did evolve from Jamaican toasting.

^^Unbuntu?

No, Tragedy.

 

[zzombie]

@semi-auto-mato

I REJECT your analogy that hip-hop was some scientific creation it was a natural creation caused by cultural diffusion that WAS caused by the social economic and political realities of poor black communities in nyc during the 70'S-80'S.

why did these people express themselves in parks and house parties??? where the fuck else were they going to do it going to the club is not always an option especially back in the day. logically the dj has to come before the mc because the dj is the one everything is organized around. Assimilated into african american culture??? hip-hop is not just african american culture it's black culture. which means more than just african americans.

I've already addressed ownership??? hip-hop is owned by it's founding populations african-americans , west indians in america and some hispanics. No it does not belong to "gatekeepers" who appointed these gate keepers

Bam did not invent raping,break dancing and hip-hop deejaying it took many people to do that . what he and other like him did was try to put some organization to it so that it could be presented to the outside world and anyway BAM will tell you that hip-hop was created by many nationalities so his position on that aspect is mine.

there was no blueprint for hip-hop thus no real vision at it's birth it just came into the world from a natural combination

 

[Stiff]

Blacks in America do have a unique culture that varies by region...whether you approve of it or not is a different story but to say one doesn't exist is simply not true

 

[zzombie]

raping did not evolve from toasting it's just that african american and jamaicans are culturally speaking literally cousins all our ancestors came from africa we all went through slavery basically we had the same slave masters

so it should be no surprise that we independently developed similar artforms

 

[semi-auto-mato]

@semi-auto-mato

I REJECT your analogy that hip-hop was some scientific creation it was a natural creation caused by cultural diffusion that WAS caused by the social economic and political realities of poor black communities in nyc during the 70'S-80'S.

why did these people express themselves in parks and house parties??? where the fuck else were they going to do it going to the club is not always an option especially back in the day. logically the dj has to come before the mc because the dj is the one everything is organized around. Assimilated into african american culture??? hip-hop is not just african american culture it's black culture. which means more than just african americans.

I've already addressed ownership??? hip-hop is owned by it's founding populations african-americans , west indians in america and some hispanics. No it does not belong to "gatekeepers" who appointed these gate keepers

Bam did not invent raping,break dancing and hip-hop deejaying it took many people to do that . what he and other like him did was try to put some organization to it so that it could be presented to the outside world and anyway BAM will tell you that hip-hop was created by many nationalities so his position on that aspect is mine.

there was no blueprint for hip-hop thus no real vision at it's birth it just came into the world from a natural combination

you say you are a logical thinker. let's think logically here...expression is done in the light. it is not done in the dark so why would a person choose to express themselves in a basement? there has to be more to it.

if u said hip hop was American culture or urban culture I listen to u. ur belief that hip hop is the culture of people who knew nothing about it until it was brought to them is crazy. they knew nothing about it in the Caribbean or other parts of the world. it went costal and then it went global. bam did more for hip hop globally. it is why u have a youngin from south America screaming bam name.

we were there when it was created. we brought it to the masses. we are the gatekeepers and acceptance goes thru the AA community.

 

[zzombie]

@semi-auto-mato

I REJECT your analogy that hip-hop was some scientific creation it was a natural creation caused by cultural diffusion that WAS caused by the social economic and political realities of poor black communities in nyc during the 70'S-80'S.

why did these people express themselves in parks and house parties??? where the fuck else were they going to do it going to the club is not always an option especially back in the day. logically the dj has to come before the mc because the dj is the one everything is organized around. Assimilated into african american culture??? hip-hop is not just african american culture it's black culture. which means more than just african americans.

I've already addressed ownership??? hip-hop is owned by it's founding populations african-americans , west indians in america and some hispanics. No it does not belong to "gatekeepers" who appointed these gate keepers

Bam did not invent raping,break dancing and hip-hop deejaying it took many people to do that . what he and other like him did was try to put some organization to it so that it could be presented to the outside world and anyway BAM will tell you that hip-hop was created by many nationalities so his position on that aspect is mine.

there was no blueprint for hip-hop thus no real vision at it's birth it just came into the world from a natural combination

you say you are a logical thinker. let's think logically here...expression is done in the light. it is not done in the dark so why would a person choose to express themselves in a basement? there has to be more to it.

if u said hip hop was American culture or urban culture I listen to u. ur belief that hip hop is the culture of people who knew nothing about it until it was brought to them is crazy. they knew nothing about it in the Caribbean or other parts of the world. it went costal and then it went global. bam did more for hip hop globally. it is why u have a youngin from south America screaming bam name.

we were there when it was created. we brought it to the masses. we are the gatekeepers and acceptance goes thru the AA community.

you are the one talking about basements??? hip-hop did not start in basements i said parks and house parties. Now if you ask me why people want to party the answer is obviously to escape their problems, have fun and celebrate. but that's just on the musical aspect of hip-hop.

The bold says to me that you are not comprehending what i've been saying to you so let me try again

hip-hop is the creation of west indians and african americans in nyc, obviously these west indians were in america when they are helping to construct what we now know as hip-hop THIS happened naturally but of course the west indians knew about it several west indians are credited as being founding fathers of hip-hop. African americans are not the sole creators of hip-hop and that's according to what one of your so called gate keepers has said. hip-hop is not african american hip-hop is BLACK.

west indians are a huge part of the black community in nyc and we have been for decades going way back , nothing happens culturally in the black community without us having some involvement it in

 

[Ajackson17]

I'm getting the hell out of this hell storm of bullshit

 

[zzombie]

I'm getting the hell out of this hell storm of bullshit

This is not bullshit, THE truth about who created hip-hop is important if african americans what to claim it as being there culture

 

[Ajackson17]

I'm getting the hell out of this hell storm of bullshit

This is not bullshit, THE truth about who created hip-hop is important if african americans what to claim it as being there culture

I heard it was multiple diaspora groups that help create it as of today with influence of James Brown. It's a joint production.

 

[zzombie]

by the way afrika bambaataa family is from jamaica and barbados

 

[Arya Tsaddiq]

I'm getting the hell out of this hell storm of bullshit

This is not bullshit, THE truth about who created hip-hop is important if african americans what to claim it as being there culture

I think we should shift the discussion from who created it and towards how the art form is culturally significant to both groups now.