A DRIVERS LICENSE IS NOT NECESSARY TO TRAVEL STOP USING A DRIVERS LICENSE !!

[fiat_money]

But if Joe Blow is not excluded from being a "driver" due to his vehicle's lack of "horses, mules, or other animals"; wouldn't that mean his requiring of a driver's license is based on a different definition of the word "driver"?

Perhaps this different definition is the one that applies to drivers of non-commercial automobiles as well.

 

[Amotekun]

But if Joe Blow is not excluded from being a "driver" due to his vehicle's lack of "horses, mules, or other animals"; wouldn't that mean his requiring of a driver's license is based on a different definition of the word "driver"?

Perhaps this different definition is the one that applies to drivers of non-commercial automobiles as well.

Nope. There is that one and that one only as presented in Black's Law Dictionary.

 

[fiat_money]

But if Joe Blow is not excluded from being a "driver" due to his vehicle's lack of "horses, mules, or other animals"; wouldn't that mean his requiring of a driver's license is based on a different definition of the word "driver"?

Perhaps this different definition is the one that applies to drivers of non-commercial automobiles as well.

Nope. There is that one and that one only as presented in Black's Law Dictionary.

Well then the point stands.

By not excluding Joe Blow from being a "driver" due to his vehicle's lack of "horses, mules, or other animals", that definition for "driver" is being disregarded.

If it's disregarded for Joe Blow, it can be disregarded for anyone.

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

But if Joe Blow is not excluded from being a "driver" due to his vehicle's lack of "horses, mules, or other animals"; wouldn't that mean his requiring of a driver's license is based on a different definition of the word "driver"?

Perhaps this different definition is the one that applies to drivers of non-commercial automobiles as well.

did anyone read what i posted (thread starter ) ??? 0o a car is not a vehicle

its a consumer good

the right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways

and to transport his property thereon, either by horse drawn

carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which

a city can prohibit or permit at will but a common right which

he has under the right to life , liberty , and the pursuit of happiness

thompson vs smith.153 se 579

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

The activity licensed by state DMVs and in connection with which individuals must submit personal information to the DMV - the operation of motor vehicles - is itself integrally related to interstate commerce.

Seth Waxman, Solicitor General

U.S. Department of Justice

BRIEF FOR THE PETITIONERS

Reno v. Condon, 528 U.S. 141, January 12, 2000

Supreme Court of the United States

Title 18, United States Code, Sec. 31

PART I - CRIMES

CHAPTER 2 - AIRCRAFT AND MOTOR VEHICLES

Sec. 31. Definitions When used in this chapter the term - ''Motor vehicle'' means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes (not private purposes ) on the highways in the transportation of passengers, passengers and property, or property or cargo;

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

Private -Not for Hire. If you aren't engaged in commerce you have a RIGHT to travel in your car (not a motor vehicle) with your "guests" not passengers.

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

then again i live in feudal japan i have no need for any of this stuff anyway just thought id clear it up

- lost samurais otaku

 

[Amotekun]

I doubt it is being disregarded especially since there is no secondary definition.

I don't know what the procedure is for amending a legal definition but that is the more likely route.

Your questions also bring into play void due to vagueness. Because of the lack of clarity, it is possible that

state statutes dealing with driving are up for judicial review and can be declared void.

Again we are in that catch 22 from multiple angles. There is a larger picture. By signing the DL app we've unwittingly waived our right to travel and contracted ourselves to 'drive' under all state regulations.

However, more importantly, because of our Birth Certificate we our technically property of Corporation of what state we were born in subject to corporate statutes and penalties.

The only way above it is to declare sovereignty. Cancel or amend all contracts with the state and dissolve all connection between the natural person and the legal fiction.

However if one declares sovereignty there is still another issue because you can't be sovereign here, we lack status/nationality

which explains why shit like what happened to TM can happen but not to a Chinese national, or an Indian national, or hell even a Pakistani national.They have status therefore rights where as Black people are nothing more than wards of the state.

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

"Right to travel" is established in U.S. law and precedent. In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court noted, "It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized." In Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Stewart noted that "it is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action.... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all.

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

car registration is regis - tration regis means king in law it means to prostrate to the crown but the u.s doesent have a nobility or do they ...

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

sec 31 definitions

motor vehicle means every description of carriage or other contrivance

proppeled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial

purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers passengers

and propertyy, or property or cargo

 

[lostsamuraisotaku]

automobile owned by individual not in business is consumer good

in re rave 7 ucc rep. serv 258

an automobile purchased for personal and family use was consumer good

bank of boston v jones 4 ucc rep serv. 1021, 236a 2d. 484

 

[Amotekun]

@lostsamuraisotaku

good drops. I was looking for these definitions. I knew there were legal definitions differing motor vehicle from automobile but couldnt find it.

Where did you get it?