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[zombie]

anyone who says twerking is equal to african dance is ignorant if african culture.

Bro, the whole point of shaking your ass even in African dance is for attention. It was mainly to for mating and sexual expression. What's the difference? It's on camera now? They were booty popping for the Gods back then?

@ THE BOLDED No it WAS NOT.

Elaborate.

Twerking is done for the express purpose of female self exposure, african dance in the vast majority of african nation/tribes was about the community the dance helped frame and encompassed the society. Twerking does none of that.

So African females letting they titties out isn't self exposure? People have twerk circles now. It's a very social event these days. Regardless, our social structure is far more elaborate now and twerking hasn't done much to eliminate our potential as a society or offend thy lord.. I suppose whining fucked up Jamaica right? And yes, booty popping does find origin in matting rituals. Btw, i wasn't speaking on all forms of African dance. You seem to be comparing one form of dance called twerking to all forms of African dance. The video i posted as very specific.

No it's not, and i did not mean simple body exposure i meant personal sexual advertisment, african dance is not about that and in fact dancing for the reason girls twerk now was considered immoral. dance was a representation of a people's soul twerking is the dance equivalent of porn

Nothing is social about twerk circles in africa the whole community mothers, grandmothers and little kids were focused on the dance. I am not saying that dancing fucked up society i am saying that the society is fucked up and the dancing is a reflection of that.

So does whining in Jamaica show that your society is fucked up? Are girls who twerk going to have sex right away? Like i said, you are comparing all of African dance to only twerking. Rather unfair. You sound like those Sudo Afrocentrics that go to African dance class with no respect for different dances for different rigions and their varying purposes. Once again shaking the buttox shows you are ready to grind which is a human condition to having babies. It's only natural and has existed well before Luke and his tag team or wining. It doesn't even guarantee that a women is sexually active.

I guess the ignorance is spreading.

I did not compare african dance to twerking you did you brought it up not me? I just tried to explain the difference between the two. Them having sex right after or not is not the point i am trying to show you. What i am sating about african dance goes for pretty much ALL AFRICAN SOCIETIES. Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker

And by the way passa passa is the worse thing to happen to jamaica since hurricane ivan

I mentioned a portion of African dance which was consistent with shaking the buttox, not all African dance. The video i posted indicated that. My argument hasn't changed. I suppose you would be good with women wearing veils also. You sound like an orthodox extremist. Wining in your country was around well before passa passa.

If you are talking about mapouka what you have to understand in that the mapouka of today is not what it was in precolonial times.

PASSA PASSA IS NOTHING LIKE THE DANCEHALL OF THE PAST I am not no fucking extremist but vulgarity is vulgarity i would not expect an atheist to understand that because you don't have any standards of behavior.

I'm talking wining which is grinding your booty on a mans genitals. How different can it be? I don't run around society naked, steal from people or force people to believe as i do, so i guess there is some sort of standard there. I also don't interrupt people on the street and convince them that they are sinners and yell at them for believing.

The dancing that surrounds passa passa is not just whining @ the bolded i don't do any of that nor do most christians.

The point is that wining is a highly sexualized dance. Christians have a history of forcing their religion on others and yelling on street corners.

Passa passa dancing goes beyond a highly sexualized dance, i don't have a problem with sexual dancing but all things have an order of magnitude and that shit that goes on today in dancehall is not dancing it's animal behavior.

and christians have a history of doing many things good and bad things i am not going to put either of them on me personally. Individual christians are not responsible for the good or the bad things christians have done in the past

So i guess we can stop concluding that atheist have no ethical grounding simply for being atheist right?

No we can conclude that atheist are not responsible for the previous actions of atheist But the doctrine of atheism still gives you no objective ethical grounding other than what you invent yourselves

Or is it our understanding of how our actions affect other people?

what??? this last post makes no sense.

It makes plenty of sense. You have displayed a lack of respect for others and a very non Christian attitude for such a person with a moral foundation based on "Christ's words." You faking the funk.

Whoever told you that christians have to take any form of bullshit lied to you. I am not jesus i am not holy but I know what holiness is and that is one of the differences between me and you. So what ever preconceived notions you have of christians you need to get that whole shit the fuck up out of here.

We talking morals, ethics, or your egotistic view of your knowledge of fantasy? Many Christians would frown upon your behavior. We having a discussion, nobody is giving you shit to take. Get out your feelings.

All over this thread people are disrespecting christianity but you atheist cry like girls when a christian becomes a little harsh on you. And accuse us of " faking the funk". That was a disrespect to me right there. Now we are talking about ethics because you had no response to what I was telling you in the first place so you changed the subject.

I had plenty of responses, you didn't agree. Case closed. You telling people they have no ethics is no form of disrespect in your opinion right? This is what this convo is about and i pointed out your non moral behavior. Go ahead with your bullshit man. This convo is over.

Read carefully I said that you have no groundings for your ethics other than what you make up. Stop being a liar or maybe you just don't have proper reading skills. Nothing is immoral about defending yourself

Sort of like the made up fantasies in your book written by men.

Blah blah blah. You still refuse to admit that you have no real standard of ethics other than what you invent and we believe the bible was written by god through men So get it right

 

[LUClEN]

There are observable measures of right and wrong in history

 

[zombie]

There are observable measures of right and wrong in history

Observable by who?? Man and man makes up his concept of right or wrong as he goes along.

 

[whar]

The grounding of our ethics and morals is based on empathy, compassion, and reason. It provides a much better foundation than scripture.

 

[LUClEN]

There are observable measures of right and wrong in history

Observable by who?? Man and man makes up his concept of right or wrong as he goes along.

Observable by man obviously. The values that are shared by each and every culture are of more merit than those specific to certain regions.

 

[zombie]

The grounding of our ethics and morals is based on empathy, compassion, and reason. It provides a much better foundation than scripture.

Just admit that you make it up as you go along. Some people can't feel empathy and the reason for compassion changes from person to person.

 

[zombie]

There are observable measures of right and wrong in history

Observable by who?? Man and man makes up his concept of right or wrong as he goes along.

Observable by man obviously. The values that are shared by each and every culture are of more merit than those specific to certain regions.

There exist no set of values that all people share just say you make it up as you go along.

 

[kingblaze84]

The grounding of our ethics and morals is based on empathy, compassion, and reason. It provides a much better foundation than scripture.

Agreed. The morals and "ethics" seen in scripture are very questionable and at times evil. As 12 Years A Slave, via movie or the non-fiction book written by a slave testify to, the Bible is one of the biggest supporters of slavery in history. I can never take the Bible seriously as a result.

 

[kingblaze84]

The grounding of our ethics and morals is based on empathy, compassion, and reason. It provides a much better foundation than scripture.

Just admit that you make it up as you go along. Some people can't feel empathy and the reason for compassion changes from person to person.

That can go for Christians too though. Some of the biggest monsters in history were religious Christians who read scripture all the time. Christopher Columbus was a devout Christian and because the Bible makes clear DEATH is the punishment for those who don't believe in one god, he justified the massacre and enslavement of Native Americans, who generally were polytheistic. THAT'S EVIL. The British and Spanish Empires were Christian ones, same with the Belgiums, and those regimes committed atrocities on a global scale. The Bible is actually a horrible book for one who wishes to become a moral person.

The Bible supports also supports slavery and the beating of slaves. It's one of the reasons so many people don't fuck with the Bible anymore or don't take it seriously, and I've yet to see anyone properly justify why the Bible supports slavery and the beating of slaves. For the record, I am a former Christian who went to Christian School for 10 years, and my disgust with the Bible grew each year I learned more about it. I'm no atheist but I would rather be an atheist then be a Christian.

 

[zombie]

The grounding of our ethics and morals is based on empathy, compassion, and reason. It provides a much better foundation than scripture.

Just admit that you make it up as you go along. Some people can't feel empathy and the reason for compassion changes from person to person.

That can go for Christians too though. Some of the biggest monsters in history were religious Christians who read scripture all the time. Christopher Columbus was a devout Christian and because the Bible makes clear DEATH is the punishment for those who don't believe in one god, he justified the massacre and enslavement of Native Americans, who generally were polytheistic. THAT'S EVIL. The British and Spanish Empires were Christian ones, same with the Belgiums, and those regimes committed atrocities on a global scale. The Bible is actually a horrible book for one who wishes to become a moral person.

The Bible supports also supports slavery and the beating of slaves. It's one of the reasons so many people don't fuck with the Bible anymore or don't take it seriously, and I've yet to see anyone properly justify why the Bible supports slavery and the beating of slaves. For the record, I am a former Christian who went to Christian School for 10 years, and my disgust with the Bible grew each year I learned more about it. I'm no atheist but I would rather be an atheist then be a Christian.

The actions of christians often do not reflect the actuallly teachings and that is what many did not understand . what christ told us to do we often do not do, we recognize this. We don't reach our standard but we do have one atheist don't have any. They make shit up as they go along or use the standards of other men.

that is what they do but they just don't want to come out and say it

 

[LUClEN]

There are observable measures of right and wrong in history

Observable by who?? Man and man makes up his concept of right or wrong as he goes along.

Observable by man obviously. The values that are shared by each and every culture are of more merit than those specific to certain regions.

There exist no set of values that all people share just say you make it up as you go along.

I didn't say all people, but societies at large.

However the idea that something that is common or most popular is more correct is an appeal to majority and poor logic.

 

[whar]

The grounding of our ethics and morals is based on empathy, compassion, and reason. It provides a much better foundation than scripture.

Just admit that you make it up as you go along. Some people can't feel empathy and the reason for compassion changes from person to person.

What do you mean by "make it up as you go along"? If you mean I wake up in the morning then decide my morals and ethics for that day as things happen to me then I would absolutely deny it. That is simply ridiculous.

If you mean morals change over time from culture to culture then sure that's true. It is also true of religious morals. I doubt what you hold as christian morality would compare to what christian morality was 600 years ago.

 

[zombie]

The grounding of our ethics and morals is based on empathy, compassion, and reason. It provides a much better foundation than scripture.

Just admit that you make it up as you go along. Some people can't feel empathy and the reason for compassion changes from person to person.

What do you mean by "make it up as you go along"? If you mean I wake up in the morning then decide my morals and ethics for that day as things happen to me then I would absolutely deny it. That is simply ridiculous.

If you mean morals change over time from culture to culture then sure that's true. It is also true of religious morals. I doubt what you hold as christian morality would compare to what christian morality was 600 years ago.

The standard is the same , what christ said was wrong or right then is right or wrong now.

 

[whar]

If the standard is the same why is it so different over the centuries?

Do you believe that you now know some truth of what Jesus meant that 2,000 years of Christianity missed?

 

[zombie]

If the standard is the same why is it so different over the centuries?

Do you believe that you now know some truth of what Jesus meant that 2,000 years of Christianity missed?

It has not been different over the centuries, our adherence to it has waxed and waned this happens not only on a societal sense but on the individual level also. There is no hidden truth jesus gave it to us simple, most cannot live the way is instructed because people are too selfish and afraid of each other, we lack real faith in his words. But they are still the standard by which we judge ourselves.

 

[whar]

Can I assume you only holds the words of Jesus as holy and the rest of the bible is not used to base your morals?

 

[zombie]

Can I assume you only holds the words of Jesus as holy and the rest of the bible is not used to base your morals?

the entire goal of the old testament is the creation of the christ. and in his teachings are found the spirit of the old testament

 

[SneakDZA]

Did you guys settle this age-old debate once and for all yet? Surely after 26 pages there has been some kind of resolution.

 

[Ajackson17]

Double platinum thread

 

[KLICHE]

The big bang isn't exactly right. It's like the big expansion. The universe was compressed.

like those Zip files.. heaps of shit in them