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A lot of Bush dickriding going on since that interview smh, probably the same people shtting on him when he was president.
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Young-Ice;3271317 said:
Bush's younger brother was NOT in charge of any security at the WTC. Port Authority was, always had been. Marvin Bush was with a company called Securacom, after the 93 bombing of the Trade Centers, he actually upgraded their security system.
Marvin Bush had nothing to do with being in CHARGE of ANY security, not even Securacom was in charge. They just helped and provided the technology and upgrades to prevent such bombings.
bin Laden screwed the US over, simple as that. As for the Bush family being a close associate, they were, with the bin Laden family, don't know what that has to do with anything though. It was for oil I think, Cheney had more to do with it than Bush. I'm not really knowledgeable with all the associates but I have looked at it and seen it, nothing, NOTHING suspicious.
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bankrupt baller
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dan_the_man.com;3268343 said:
lol @ people ignoring this......let me guess,it isnt credible cause its a youtube video,right?
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Young-Ice;3268595 said:
Building 7 sustained a lot of damage when the Towers collapsed and was burning for 7 hours.
Showing damage to the SW corner
Clearly the Towers did fall and HIT WTC 7.
Trade Center 7 was said to be greatly damaged, took out around ten stories. This by the firemen. The firemen tried to save the building as best as they could but when they started noticing it make creaking noises, they pulled their team out. That was like at 1 or 2 pm, the building finally fell at 6 or so. It burned, unchecked for seven hours. It had diesel fuel generators on it's lower floors which gave fuel to the fires and possibly "explosions". It was also uniquely created with only 3 main trusses that had to hold over 40 stories after being damaged and burning for hours. Before the actual collapse of Trade Center 7, it starts crumbling from the top, which is said to be because one of the trusses gave out. That leaves you with 2 more trusses to hold the building, seconds later both trusses gave out and it fell. No sounds were ever heard by anyone that would prove any demolition took place.
Larry Silverstein said pull it, pull the crew out and never mind the buildings. What authority does Larry have to say pull for a demolition? What background, knowledge or authority do the firemen have to set charges to a building? NONE.
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bankrupt baller;3272639 said:
If anyone did research, there was plenty of plane found to be evidence that indeed a plane did hit the Pentagon. Also, this camera takes pictures every 5 seconds, the plane was coming in around 400-500 mph, gonna catch a plane perfectly? Damage also matches up, but it's ignored.
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_武赏_;3271107 said:
I know almost every theory there is, I know it all. I've read books and seen all the "proof " in the videos. I was like 17 when I was suckered into believing this shit, I said, "OH SHIT! NO WAY, they had to have done this" why? Because I simply took it at face value and didn't want to see it any other way. Then one day I was reading an article that didn't match up with what the theorists were saying, then I started taking what they were claiming, such as witness quotes and finding the FULL interviews and found out they're taking bits and pieces out to push their stories. Also found out they tampered with the footage of the Towers collapsing to make it seem like it had "flashes" before it fell.
Yeah, what a truth movement lol then the whole thing falls apart when you actually do the research. Many many MANY false claims by CT and they go unchecked by the public because we're too lazy to even gain knowledge behind it. They present it very well, yes it is convincing but let's be real, it's false claims.
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bankrupt baller
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VIBE86;3272687 said:
no it doesnt match up.....the size of the hole was way to small to fit a plane that size into it
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bankrupt baller
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you believe what you believe and nothing anybody posts will change that....and im not saying anything is wrong with that,it just is what it is.
didnt you believe in the bible at one point?
im sure nobody could change your mind at the time....eventually you changed your own mind about it
didnt you believe in the bible at one point?
im sure nobody could change your mind at the time....eventually you changed your own mind about it
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dnyce215;3272850 said:
just bcuz it hasn't happened before doesnt mean it cant happen, however thats why i feel they didnt tell the whole story. IMO there had to be a bomb or explosion set off somewhere for those buildings to fall the way they did. Would they tell us if someone dressed as a firefighter went into the buildings wit some ish strapped to his chest and detonated it(hell would they even have known)... i mean with all the chaos and confusion and all the emergency personel that were on site... it wouldnt be far fetched for someone like that to blend in and slip by.. this is all just speculation obviously as i have no way to prove this... but the official story does not sit right with me.
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dnyce215;3272850 said:
Lies.
Again, theorists with no research and even if you did research I wouldn't expect you to admit to finding these things.
The "Windsor" in Madrid collapsed to fire alone, no plane hit it. The core stood, because it was made of concrete. World Trade Centers were made very much different.
[video=youtube;nz-WVJ0zeXE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz-WVJ0zeXE[/video]
There's also surprisingly the "molten metal" here at this scene as well. Proof the fires can melt steel, although the steel at the WTC didn't MELT fully, they did very much soften. But that doesn't mean that some didn't melt, and at the bottom of the pile, which was 20 stories high, that burned for months, molten metal was there, it was expected because it did melt steel after that long of a period.
This building and others as well did collapse due to fire alone.
The Towers were hit by planes, going 490+ miles an hour, packed with an exploding factor of jet fuel. They cut columns when they hit. Survivors said when inside, when struck, they building literally swayed back and forth violently. It knocked off tables, chairs, computers, filing cabinets and even them to the floor. It knocked off marble wall panels in the lobby level of the Towers.
The Towers were clearly ROCKED. Now image all that strain and stress put towards damaging the steel structure even more.
You only look at it from one perspective, fire. You do not take in to consideration everything that was put into it. But that's because you're an idiot who doesn't want to.
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Young-Ice;3273285 said:
Were the angles different?
Oh shit, now Spilberg is in on it too? Hollywood? lol
Let's say there was explosives in the buildings, how come when struck the whole thing didn't just blow and go down? If it is a "classic controlled demo" then it would obviously be rigged from bottom to top, in which after the intial hit and explosion, that should've sent off a chain reaction of explosions. Not to mention even floors below the impact zone were on fire, not even setting off one bomb yet.
Funny it's supposed to be a classic controlled demo but it's not even characteristic of one. They go from the bottom up, not top down. They make noise, a lot of noise. The noise would be heard before it's collapse, boom boom boom boom boom then it would fall. Oh but when pointed out, the theorist say, "OH! But it's NOT a classic controlled demo, it's a specially controlled demo, somehow they made it fall like that".
LMAO!
The more you pick things out, the more it gets picked apart the more funny it is. Really.
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Lou Cypher
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Yall see that video where britain annouced the third building collapsed 20 minutes before it did? they even went to a camera with the building clearly standing there. Could have been an accident but still funny/strange
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Young-Ice;3273486 said:
So either planes hit or they didn't, which one? I'm thinking now you're a believer in the whole, "hologram planes"?
I wonder, how were the news anchors supposed to react? They trained to not freak the fuck out, not to scream and panic. They trained to take things, as always, calm. For the most part, most of them do. From certain angles a plane wasn't seen hitting the second time, just because of the camera angle. From other angles, you can clearly see it and they knew it when it happened.
There was so much going on that day, after that first plane hit the sound on the streets was pretty much insane. Not only did you have almost every firetruck/ambulance/police car there, you had falling debris, screaming, crying, constant yelling, whistles, horns, etc. Those people down there were so involved in the chaos that anything beside that they were pretty much oblivious to. With that said, there was a news anchor talking to one of his people who was there. The view is from a helicopter and it caught the second building being hit. You clearly see a plane come in from the right, disappear behind the towers and then boom. The news anchor says, calmly because it's his job to be like so, "another plane has just hit the world trade center.." the lady on the ground says, "I didn't see a plane, it was just an explosion". Her angle, she couldn't see a plane. Among the noise an chaos, and she probably wasn't even looking at the towers, she never noticed it until there was a loud boom.
The fact that it was caught over many many many cameras both video and picture is just proof planes hit it and it happened like it did. No explosives were in the buildings or planes.
LOL @ you now acting like them, "well maybe they placed the bombs in different areas lol but yet every floor popped like it was a demo? Yeah, keep it coming, look at your avi please, thank you..
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Lou Cypher;3273495 said:
Yes, seen that. There's another smoking gun, because we now know that they were in on it too but called it pre-maturely.
Firefighters knew it was gonna collapse, they got out before it did. Everyone there knew it was after they announced it, clear the area, the building is coming down. Easy.
It would take thousands of people to pull this off, plus a SHIT load of hush money for YEARS in monthly payments.
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bootsy_jenkins
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Former military here. I was a radar operator and I tracked aircraft in the Navy aboard the USS NIMITZ. The story that we have been told is BS and a farce. I don't claim know exactly what happened and no one but the people involved knows the REAL story.
That being said, I find it strange that the terrorist used the very same tactics that we in the military were trained to spot, but yet everyone claimed to be unable to track the damn planes. Turning off the IFF responder does NOTHING to affect ones ability to track a plane.
Another weird thing was the failure of the interceptors. The only thing that could have stopped the terrorist once they were airborne was the air force interceptors. It is standard operating procedure (SOP) to scramble jet fighters whenever a jetliner goes off course or radio contact with it is lost. Between September 2000 and June 2001, interceptors were scrambled 67 times.
There are several elements involved in domestic air defense. The air traffic control system continuously monitors air traffic and notifies NORAD of any deviations of any aircraft from their flight-paths or loss of radio contact. NORAD monitors air and space traffic continuously and is prepared to react immediately to threats and emergencies. It has the authority to order units from the Air National Guard, the Air Force, or other armed services to scramble fighters in pursuit of jetliners in trouble.
But routine interception procedures were not followed on September 11th, 2001.
The air defense network had, on September 11th, predictable and effective procedures for dealing with just such an attack. Yet it failed to respond in a timely manner until after the attack was over, more than an hour and a half after it had started. The official timeline describes a series of events and mode of response in which the delays are spread out into a number of areas. There are failures upon failures, in what might be described as a strategy of layered failures, or failure in depth. The failures can be divided into four types.
Failures to report: Based on the official timeline, the FAA response times for reporting the deviating aircraft were many times longer than the prescribed times.
Failures to scramble: NORAD, once notified of the off-course aircraft, failed to scramble jets from the nearest bases.
Failures to intercept: Once airborne, interceptors failed to reach their targets because they flew at small fractions of their top speeds and/or in the wrong directions.
Failures to redeploy: Fighters that were airborne and within interception range of the deviating aircraft were not redeployed to pursue them.
Had not there been multiple failures of each type, one or more parts of the attack could have been thwarted. NORAD had time to protect the World Trade Center even given the unbelievably late time, 8:40, when it claims to have first been notified.
It had time to protect the South Tower and Washington even given its bizarre choice of bases from which to scramble planes. And it still had ample opportunity to protect both New York City and Washington even if it insisted that all interceptors fly subsonic, simply by redeploying airborne fighters.
Anyone in the military will tell you that shit like that just doesn't happen. Military dudes are trained professionals and so many failures on so many levels at the same time is nearly unheard of.
The fact that the Pentagon was not evacuated before the plane hit is another strange thing, do the the fact that it is the most guarded airspace in the world and the radars would have picked up the contact at least 400 miles out. (perhaps more) they could have at LEAST gotten people out of the building.
And then there is Building 7.
[video=youtube;hZEvA8BCoBw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw&feature=channel_video_title[/video]
The CIA was aware that at least two of the terrorist were inside the U.S and was attempting to recruit them.
[video=youtube;Qbh7GBbDX-k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbh7GBbDX-k[/video]
All of the evil that the government has done and is capable of, and all of the lies that they have been caught in, the fact that some can still believe ANYTHING that we are told by the government about 9/11 is beyond me and is denial on the highest level.
That being said, I find it strange that the terrorist used the very same tactics that we in the military were trained to spot, but yet everyone claimed to be unable to track the damn planes. Turning off the IFF responder does NOTHING to affect ones ability to track a plane.
Another weird thing was the failure of the interceptors. The only thing that could have stopped the terrorist once they were airborne was the air force interceptors. It is standard operating procedure (SOP) to scramble jet fighters whenever a jetliner goes off course or radio contact with it is lost. Between September 2000 and June 2001, interceptors were scrambled 67 times.
There are several elements involved in domestic air defense. The air traffic control system continuously monitors air traffic and notifies NORAD of any deviations of any aircraft from their flight-paths or loss of radio contact. NORAD monitors air and space traffic continuously and is prepared to react immediately to threats and emergencies. It has the authority to order units from the Air National Guard, the Air Force, or other armed services to scramble fighters in pursuit of jetliners in trouble.
But routine interception procedures were not followed on September 11th, 2001.
The air defense network had, on September 11th, predictable and effective procedures for dealing with just such an attack. Yet it failed to respond in a timely manner until after the attack was over, more than an hour and a half after it had started. The official timeline describes a series of events and mode of response in which the delays are spread out into a number of areas. There are failures upon failures, in what might be described as a strategy of layered failures, or failure in depth. The failures can be divided into four types.
Failures to report: Based on the official timeline, the FAA response times for reporting the deviating aircraft were many times longer than the prescribed times.
Failures to scramble: NORAD, once notified of the off-course aircraft, failed to scramble jets from the nearest bases.
Failures to intercept: Once airborne, interceptors failed to reach their targets because they flew at small fractions of their top speeds and/or in the wrong directions.
Failures to redeploy: Fighters that were airborne and within interception range of the deviating aircraft were not redeployed to pursue them.
Had not there been multiple failures of each type, one or more parts of the attack could have been thwarted. NORAD had time to protect the World Trade Center even given the unbelievably late time, 8:40, when it claims to have first been notified.
It had time to protect the South Tower and Washington even given its bizarre choice of bases from which to scramble planes. And it still had ample opportunity to protect both New York City and Washington even if it insisted that all interceptors fly subsonic, simply by redeploying airborne fighters.
Anyone in the military will tell you that shit like that just doesn't happen. Military dudes are trained professionals and so many failures on so many levels at the same time is nearly unheard of.
The fact that the Pentagon was not evacuated before the plane hit is another strange thing, do the the fact that it is the most guarded airspace in the world and the radars would have picked up the contact at least 400 miles out. (perhaps more) they could have at LEAST gotten people out of the building.
And then there is Building 7.
[video=youtube;hZEvA8BCoBw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw&feature=channel_video_title[/video]
The CIA was aware that at least two of the terrorist were inside the U.S and was attempting to recruit them.
[video=youtube;Qbh7GBbDX-k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qbh7GBbDX-k[/video]
All of the evil that the government has done and is capable of, and all of the lies that they have been caught in, the fact that some can still believe ANYTHING that we are told by the government about 9/11 is beyond me and is denial on the highest level.
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