9/11 conspiracy or not?

[TimroD]

i think its impossible

that a few arabs with carpet knifes could do such damage

bringin these 3 towers down

hittin the pentagon and all

 

[ThaChozenWun]

i think its impossible
that a few arabs with carpet knifes could do such damage
bringin these 3 towers down
hittin the pentagon and all

Well planes are what did all the damage.

The Knifes only granted them access into the cockpit

 

[6ones]

vids about us gettin spied on
[video=youtube;vwgIE2RtTEo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgIE2RtTEo[/video]

[video=youtube;pbczwLDdJRg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbczwLDdJRg&feature=related[/video]

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[video=youtube;oPd-aQz5TYQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPd-aQz5TYQ&feature=related[/video]

i dont know who this is but i think from :34 to 1:20 could be true.
[video=youtube;4IcGIZPW2ys]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IcGIZPW2ys[/video]

 

[VIBE]

And You're defending his ass. That's like saying, "even tho Bush was a horrible President, he still didn't have anything to do with 9-11 and is an admirable person.... LOL... All those people who died under him during 9-11 and Katrina but you're making him out to be some saint. That's your boy, man.

You must not know how to read or something. I said Bush and his little Administration knew about airplanes being used as a weapon. They say they didn't which is already known as complete bs. They knew and did nothing. So how the hell am I even implying that he's a good person? You have some really stupid logic.

It's amazing how many people who try to do GOOD for the world end up mysteriously getting murdered. But maybe you never heard of MLK, Malcolm X, JFK, Tupac, Ghandi, Michael Jackson or any of the other people thinking for you (since you don't think). Important people been getting murdered for centuries.

Okay? How the HELL was Tupac important? How was MJ Important? I'm big fans of theirs but they weren't IMPORTANT. What because you think Tupac spit knowledge? LOL You're a funny guy. But okay, keep thinking that all these murders are from the mysterious alien shape shifting Illuminati. Hell, I'm a member too! *oops*

There is no theory, there just IS. There is a lot that the gov't isn't telling us. But you're mind-controlled. Did you know that govern means control, and mente means mind. That's mind controll, literally. But when niggas start talking smart, you laugh because you're too stupid to put puzzle pieces together.
Nigga, you know 9-11 was an inside job, from all ends. It doesn't matter if it was Osama, Obama, or your moma. What matters is the government knew about these events happening before they happened, and they allowed to it happen.

I believer there are theories to an extent. But TRUST I am NOT mind controlled. I don't trust our government. You're assuming a lot of things.

1. ignored signs of hijacking They ignored it? Yes, as a threat.

2. allowed any unauthorized vehicle that close to the Pentagon It happened, what can you say?

3. shows no consistant wreckage of plane (at Pentagon, thats the most obvious clue but you can't explain that) - HA! You've done NO research then. What you're looking at is what the Conspiracy FREAKS want you to see. There was TONS of debris inside the Pentagon and debris that flew out the E-Ring. If you even did some research you would see that. Not to mention firemen testimony at the scene. They were asked if there were bodies and they said yes, hard to tell but up close you could see that it was human. Still in their seats strapped in too! You think the plane debris was supposed to fly all over the lawn? Which it did but I guess you want the WHOLE plane on the lawn too right? You really have NO idea what you're talking about. There was PLENTY found to tell you it was an airplane, a 757. Just look up the plane debris crash site. But wait! You think the government "planted" it all there! Now that's funny and being very closed minded because you won't even believe the evidence.

4. Shows no actual plane in any pentagon clips (just BS pieces of plane propellers) Yeah, for a camera (@ the Pentagon) that takes at a rate of 1 frame per second it took 1 picture. Even though it isn't very clear, it's Flight 77. A plane going at 500+ mph isn't gonna come up in 5 frames. In 1 second that plane is too fast for that camera. Trust me, do your research and you'll see. Don't be scared.

5. flew two planes into WTC (totally unnoticed) Yeah, no one noticed the 2nd plane hit or the 1st and no one noticed the two towers burning. That was very hard to see that day.

On the real, they did notice but had no idea where they were going. Usually hijackings end up back at an airport and they demand money etc. Never has planes been used as a weapon on US soil to kill us. How the FUCK did they know that was gonna happen? They DIDN'T! Like I said USUALLY it ends up BACK AT THE AIRPORT for MONEY.

6. couldn't find a black box, but found a hijackers WALLET the first day ?? They did find black boxes.

7. desentigrated a plane but found no wreckage From where? Flight 93? LMAO! Again, NO RESEARCH! 90% of the plane was found.

8. shows two building being brought down, one after the other in perfect freefall into a nice pile Yeah, because the 2 towers that fell, destroying all WTC buildings and creating a 16 acre debris field was in such a neat pile. LOL You're such a fucking idiot man. How many hours have you put into this? Oh wait, you watch only videos and even then you should see it wasn't "NEAT". Also, it wasn't free fall lol.

9. shows a building that wasn't hit crumble to the ground, in the same controlled nice pile Yeah, still no research from you. 20 stories were taken out the side of this building when the two towers fell. Fires burned heavy in this building as well. Just watch firemen testimony, they even knew by the creaks and groans it was gonna collapse. OH WAIT! The firemen demo'd it! Also they demo'd the other two towers killing 343 of their fellow firemen and port authority officers and rescue workers as well. Oh yeah, they did that. Do you know how sick that sounds? You make no sense.

10. tells us these "attack-resistant" buildings were destroyed when they were "bombed" Wait, what? *needle scratch* "ATTACK RESISTANT" ? What the hell does that mean and where do you even get this from? Nothing is "attack resistant" lol and they WEREN'T BOMBED. Give me EVIDENCE. Did you even view the videos that I posted? It totally debunks all your fantasy theories.

11. made room for the Patriot Act, which without 9-11, wouldn't allow the gov't to listen to your phone calls. Oh yeah, because they're listening to me talk about a car with my grandpa. LOL Do you even know how this works? I'll bet you don't. I'll let you explain though if you can, and yes you can "CHEAT" and use the internet silly.

OK Vibe, tell me this ONE question. If you can answer this one question, I'll back off. I'll even say you won. Tell me... How did Hollywood know about 9-11 before it happened?

So what? You think HOLLYWOOD KNEW? What the FUCK for? What can Hollywood benefit from then? How are they "in on it" ?? That makes NO SENSE lol. Do you know how many things can be coincidentally put along 9/11 from movies, to tv shows to even our money? It's all just a coincidence. This is HELLA funny. MANY theorists get PISSED when I say it would take HUNDREDS to know this and do this and they FLIP out and say NO WAY ONLY A MAX OF 20 or something LOL then they say, HEY LOOK AT THIS AND THAT. The firemen knew, the military knew, Hollywood knew, Bush Administration know, the WHOLE government knew, Larry Silverstien knew, Port Authority knew, WTC Security knew. Yeah, catch my drift? Still, it's gonna number in the HIGH hundreds to even thousands. Prove to me that all these dudes knew, all these groups and all. I'll wait Mr. Illuminati man.

So keep on trucking, you still fail in every argument. Everything is an ASSUMPTION.

Even demolition experts say, "No, that's not a controlled demo" and for the Larry Silverstien fiasco, they say that "pull it" isn't even a demo term. Also, why would the gov. allow Larry to benefit from billions? Why? Why not someone in the gov. take over as lease holder? Because if they wanted money, that's what should happen right?

Do you know how many claims are false from your side? Theorists make about 100-200 false claims with NO RESEARCH. Watch the videos I posted from a very credible 9/11 debunker and enjoy. Really, just shut the fuck up. You're making yourself look more stupid with each post.

 

[musicology1985]

Vibe:

I said Bush and his little Administration knew about airplanes being used as a weapon. They say they didn't which is already known as complete bs. They knew and did nothing.

They ignored it? Yes, as a threat.

Geechee Slim:

Question-2. allowed any unauthorized vehicle that close to the Pentagon

Vibe:

Answer-It happened, what can you say?

Edit on Vibes post: the military knew, Bush Administration know, certain aspects of the U.S. government knew, U.S. intelligence knew, Larry Silverstien knew, WTC Security (Securacom) knew.

*And yes I agree with Vibe on what I quoted. It took 100's of people, not 20 or so to get this done. But they still conspired to get it done and the operation was a monumental success. Powerful posts Vibe as well as that question by Geechee. Very powerful.*

 

[VIBE]

The thing about Securacom or Stratesec was they only provided electronic security. Nothing more than that so they have nothing to do with it's security personel or the pulling of certain things.

 

[quiet1]

Very interesting videos...........I wouldn't be surprised if Israel really did play a part in the 9/11 attacks.

They did bomb American ships in the past.........

Skip past the bull to 4:20. This guy is Ex CIA & he say the white van & Israeli thing is true.

[video=youtube;2z5BnihtWfs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z5BnihtWfs[/video]

 

[shootemwon]

Yo, musicology, for the record, are you still afraid to answer this:

Ok hold up. Before we continue with another generic Freemason/Illuminati thread, I want to ask something.

Can anyone give me PROOF of that these groups are out there controlling the world and pulling the strings?

When I say proof, I don't mean "Well X happened, then Y happened while at the same time Z happened, which would be a pretty big coincidence, therefore the secret world order is real"

I mean actual proof. Like you can prove water boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit by heating it to 212 degrees and watching it boil.

If you don't have proof but still believe what you believe, that's fine. There are some things I believe that I can't prove. I just want to know if anyone can prove this stuff.

 

[janklow]

Debate what? Ain't shit to debate on this topic.

no, see, here was a serious response that requested a response in turn: "you posted an eleven-year-old article which used phrases like "if the date is confirmed." so has there been anything further on this in that time? i'm predicting that the current status is something like "various people disagree" and "nothing has been confirmed.""

but i realize that you don't want to engage in a serious response. it's cool, i know how to take your posting in the future now

 

[geechee slim]

Know what I've noticed. As much people that think and are consciously "awake," there are just the same amount of peoople (sometimes more) who are so asleep that they want everyone to fall asleep with them.

Well Vibe, dude, the difference between me and you is I don't believe in coincidence. And I'm skeptic enough to not trust big government, or ANYONE in the public eye. You probably believed Bill when he said he didn't have sexual relations with that woman. I mean, politicians don't lie, right?

You must not know how to read or something. I said Bush and his little Administration KNEW ABOUT AIRPLANES BEING USED AS A WEAPON. They say they didn't which is already known as complete bs. They knew and did nothing.

PAUSE. So let me get this straight... You say Bush and Condi knew about Airplane weapons and said nothing about it. Yet you still defend him and say he didn't have anything to do with 9-11? That's a lil bit silly, so you get an F- for logic if you ask me. LOL, how you gon' incriminate yourself man.

Okay? How the HELL was Tupac important? How was MJ Important? I'm big fans of theirs but they weren't IMPORTANT. ...But okay, keep thinking that all these murders are from the mysterious alien shape shifting Illuminati. Hell, I'm a member too! *oops*.

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[video=youtube;g-2V0WDcjEI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-2V0WDcjEI[/video]

Don't ever say Pac and MJ weren't important. Especially not here. They're more important in death than you in life.

And of course you're a member. Why else would you spread such disinformation?

Funny, that's what they do to all freedom fighters. They make them out to be an extremist or a whack-job and make fun of them. That's like laughing at the kid in school who was too smart.

I noticed because you mentioned aliens and shapeshifting, which means you know SOMETHING enough to make fun of it. I'M ON TO YOUR GAME, mane.

3. shows no consistant wreckage of plane (at Pentagon, thats the most obvious clue but you can't explain that) - HA! You've done NO research then. What you're looking at is what the Conspiracy FREAKS want you to see. There was TONS of debris inside the Pentagon and debris that flew out the E-Ring. If you even did some research you would see that. Not to mention firemen testimony at the scene. They were asked if there were bodies and they said yes, hard to tell but up close you could see that it was human. Still in their seats strapped in too! You think the plane debris was supposed to fly all over the lawn? Which it did but I guess you want the WHOLE plane on the lawn too right? You really have NO idea what you're talking about. There was PLENTY found to tell you it was an airplane, a 757. Just look up the plane debris crash site. But wait! You think the government "planted" it all there! Now that's funny and being very closed minded because you won't even believe the evidence.

Oh yeah, how can I forget the picture of a plane in whole that no one ever saw. Or the "evidence" of a "plane" hitting the building with only three frames of flashing light.... Even tho the Pennt has tons of cameras EVERYWhere.... But I should rely only on ONLY Pentagon footage of the three frames of light and explosion... Oh, and the "testimonies" of people saying they "saw bodies." And the unknowns who can identify the make and model of something in the sky moving at over 300 mph/ Yeah, I don't need real images that I can look at, I'll just go by what these guys say. How could I be so closed minded? But maybe you have some extra camera angles for me to see it more clearly from the west. Don't be scared.

Here's a good example of why you can't believe what everyone says.

[video=youtube;mq7ZYeKuQcE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq7ZYeKuQcE&feature=related[/video]

6. couldn't find a black box, but found a hijackers WALLET the first day ?? They did find black boxes.

And a WALLET? From a burnt up passanger? Who fell hundreds of flights from a burning building? YOU my friend are way too gullable.

They recovered the plane, and couldn't find the black box for days. Neitherdid they release what was said on these tapes. At least not from the hijackers. So you can find ID and a passport in a burnt guy's jeans, but you can't find the black box for days. Can you say coverup? Oh that's right, no you[i/] can't.

7. desentigrated a plane but found no wreckage From where? Flight 93? LMAO! Again, NO RESEARCH! 90% of the plane was found.

Where? Here?

Again sir, you're so gullable you'll believe what people tell you. Here's some talk on it tho. All of which say "no plane." But you say 90% was found, so where is it? Do you have it in your back pocket? Nothing is found until you see it for yourself.

[video=youtube;JZekosYOmXc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc[/video]

[video=youtube;paWiZ2Y8fRg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paWiZ2Y8fRg&feature=related[/video]

You should know this was a plan from the start. Like most wars.

[video=youtube;9sg_NRC8ozk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sg_NRC8ozk[/video]

Just watch firemen testimony, they even knew by the creaks and groans it was gonna collapse. OH WAIT! The firemen demo'd it! Also they demo'd the other two towers killing 343 of their fellow firemen and port authority officers and rescue workers as well. Oh yeah, they did that. Do you know how sick that sounds? You make no sense. [/B]

It is sick, except it wasn't the firemen doing it to their people. You're making no sense in saying "people are really sick if they flip a switch." Well damn, how much sicker do you have to be to fly a plane into a building? You've never heard the word sick.

So what? You think HOLLYWOOD KNEW? What the FUCK for? What can Hollywood benefit from then? How are they "in on it" ?? That makes NO SENSE lol... Do you know how many things can be coincidentally put along 9/11 from movies, to tv shows to even our money? It's all just a coincidence. This is HELLA funny...Do you know how many claims are false from your side? Theorists make about 100-200 false claims with NO RESEARCH. Watch the videos I posted from a very credible 9/11 debunker and enjoy. Really, just shut the fuck up. You're making yourself look more stupid with each post.

Aight so you can't explain how Bush and Condi lied about advanced knowledge. You can't provide clips of the Pentagon crash from any other angles. You accept Pentagon bombing as mear coincidence. You put your faith in one right-winged "debunker." You really think a plane can be hijacked by knives. You think that Hollywood doing a MOVIE about it is dismissable. Coincidence after coincidence and you accept it as just that. The most perfect coincidences in American History.

That's how I know you're full of it.

But hey, you're cool if you stand by what you believe. At least you actually do read. I just personally have a hard time dealing with coincidences with famous people and events. And I really do believe the world is a stage.

 

[VIBE]

I'm not going by who told me what about Flight 93. Flight 93 has photos and tons of them to show that they did recover many parts of the plane.

As for the Pentagon, okay, so you believe a missile hit it? So it zig zagged and hit light poles AND A GENERATOR (on the lawn of the Pentagon) THEN hit the Pentagon? LMAO!

OR wait, maybe it was a military jet. Oh WAIT!!!! That still doesn't have the wing span to hit light poles AND a generator.

Coincidence is a coincidence. It just happens we seen more in one day than we usually do. Honestly, I'm not gonna go back n forth with you. You're very uneducated with this. You assuming based off of YOUR feelings not FACTS. You cannot prove S H I T about bombs, missiles and faked situations. You cannot prove one ounce of anything. You assume because your belief of the government is so so so so corrupt you think they do these things. You're wrong. It's EASY to blame the government.

You sick conspiracy theorists actually give these terrorist too much credit. The flight path of 77 (the one that hit the Pentagon) was done over and over and when it was shown to pilots they actually said he was a shitty pilot.

Hani failed at landing and taking off. He did neither on 9/11. He just flew into a building, ANYONE can do that.

You don't understand the hijackings do you? If they knew they were going into buildings, they would've never made it to buildings. Usually a hijacked plane is landed and a ransom is asked for. This didn't happen this day, this was a different type of hijacking (OBVIOUSLY).

I do believe they KNEW, the question is HOW MUCH? We'll never know. All we know is they knew airplanes were going to be used as weapons and there were actually like 25 targets in mind.

They had nothing to do with the buildings falling, had nothing to do with bombs or missiles lol you are messed up and need to see a psychiatrist. You're basically saying also, 'the world is a stage' that the government controls EVERYTHING? Everything is false flag shit? LOL you're in a world of paranoia.

"paranoia, paranoia, everyone's coming to get me..."

Yeah, I do work for the FBI, CIA and Obama. I gotta spread the word of "truth" to blind you idiots lol

You are really so focused on the government and conspiracies you're gonna blind yourself to the truth.

 

[geechee slim]

The point is there are a lot of things about this event that can not be explained/has been covered up/has be lied about.

But I deal with facts, and lack there of. You might, but I don't trust Bush. Hell, JFK got killed by his own driver, so why should I trust anyone in government?

You not fuckin' with me on this fact shit (or lack there of).

But I hope we can agree to disagree. I think we both are firm in what we believe (even tho you work for CIA and Obama).

 

[geechee slim]

Question, Vibe. What're your thoughts on the plane crash that killed the Polish President and members of his cabinet?

[video=youtube;6XBfdKtWwLY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XBfdKtWwLY[/video]

Is this another one of your coincidences?

 

[mr.getwitcha]

What do you believe about 9/11?

Do you believe the government had foreknowledge of the attacks? - Yes, but not enough to shut down air transportation and didnt think it was real/immenent

Do you believe everything (numbers etc) are all symbolic and on purpose? - NO, numbers dont lie, but they can tell you anything you want as well.

Do you believe there were 19 hi-jackers? - Yes

Do you believe the planes were real? (ghost planes, fake planes etc yes, seriously some believe this)- Uh yeah, you can see them going into the buildings

Do you think the planes had no passengers and were remote controlled? (passengers "worked for the government")- SMH, i actually know someone's father on the pentagon plane. Do you believe the planes had missiles attached to the bottom of the planes? Missiles attached to commercial planes? bwahaha never heard that one, but its even more absurd just thinking about it!!

Do you believe there were explosives in the Trade Centers? - NO

Do you believe Hani Honjour flew flight 77 into the Pentagon? Yes, or some terrorist did it. Like i said, i knew someone's father on that exact plane.

Do you believe Trade Center 7 was planned to be demolished? - Dont know and dont care.

Answer these, what do you believe and WHY?

*EDIT*

What do you believe about Flight 93?.....Probably shot down

LOL @ people believing it was some big government conspiracy on some Hollywood shit. As if everything that happens cant just happen and its no way the US could get caught off guard like that.

Getwitcha

 

[tri3w]

The point is there are a lot of things about this event that can not be explained/has been covered up/has be lied about.

But I deal with facts, and lack there of. You might, but I don't trust Bush. Hell, JFK got killed by his own driver, so why should I trust anyone in government?

You not fuckin' with me on this fact shit (or lack there of).

But I hope we can agree to disagree. I think we both are firm in what we believe (even tho you work for CIA and Obama).

LMAO,................where is the proof in this??? and no COnspiracy bullshit, actuall proof

 

[mr.getwitcha]

LMAO,................where is the proof in this??? and no COnspiracy bullshit, actuall proof

I had to do a double take on that one myself. Bwahahahaha @ the driver...ive heard some far fetched ones before, but i've never heard that one...

Getwitcha

 

[VIBE]

The point is there are a lot of things about this event that can not be explained/has been covered up/has be lied about.

But I deal with facts, and lack there of. You might, but I don't trust Bush. Hell, JFK got killed by his own driver, so why should I trust anyone in government?

You not fuckin' with me on this fact shit (or lack there of).

But I hope we can agree to disagree. I think we both are firm in what we believe (even tho you work for CIA and Obama).

So the driver killed JFK? Have you seen the video? Does it LOOK like he is in the position to do so and do it? No. Only person (conspiracy wise) was his wife.

 

[VIBE]

Question, Vibe. What're your thoughts on the plane crash that killed the Polish President and members of his cabinet?

Is this another one of your coincidences?

What was this about? If you think he was killed, what for?

 

[geechee slim]

I had to do a double take on that one myself. Bwahahahaha @ the driver...ive heard some far fetched ones before, but i've never heard that one...

Getwitcha

In the official video, the camera view of Kennedy is blocked by some fake sign. Then when he comes back into view, he's been shot. Everybody knows that.

[video=youtube;DSBXW1-VGmM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSBXW1-VGmM[/video]

If yall wanna learn something you don't know, you gotta first unlearn what you think you know.

 

[geechee slim]

What was this about? If you think he was killed, what for?

I'm asking you, man. What are your thoughts? Unless you have no opinion.