52 Savage & Ageism In Hip Hop

[NoCompetition]

I dont know. Rappin at 52, well coming out as a rapper at 52 is kind of a novelty at this point. But I dont have a problem with it. I think one key is is he keeping up sufficiently? Like Jay z retains relevancy because he is on of the very few who doesnt try to do things and sound like the 80s or 90s or when he would have stubbornly decided was his "time". And this dude dont seem stuck 20 or 30 years ago. Otherwise I have nothing much to say on it.

 

[KingFreeman]

The age shit cut both ways cause we be shitting on these young cats all the time. Just like our elders did to our greats so on and so forth.

The whole ageism bullshit is why Rakim, BDK, Slick Rick etc aren't where they should be financially or even as respected by the youth SMMFH.

The biggest problem with rap fans aside from them not buying music is that after a period of time they're quick to discard older artists and write them off as "falling off" or "being washed" just for getting older and more mature SMMFH. If our pioneers can't get old and still make music the culture won't last long and you'll invite outsiders to come in and change things in ways you won't agree with and even destroy the culture.

BDK, Rakim, G Rap should be able to tour all over the world like the Eagles, Rolling Stones, Metallica, KISS and still sell out venues and be caked the fuck up. If you love music why should there be an age limit ? SMMFH Luciano Pavarotti made music well into his 70s maaaannn

Really tho? Those guys weren't popping like that regardless. They werent on that level. Pac, big, and pun would still be eating. If easy e doesn't die nwa would be eating. Prince was still killing befote he passed. You know mj would still be eating. We were just cheated out of our greats.

Only thing I will say is that rap generally doesn't translate well with age because it was primarly built off youth movements and energy. Hard to project that at 52.

 

[power_wisdom]

The age shit cut both ways cause we be shitting on these young cats all the time. Just like our elders did to our greats so on and so forth.

The whole ageism bullshit is why Rakim, BDK, Slick Rick etc aren't where they should be financially or even as respected by the youth SMMFH.

The biggest problem with rap fans aside from them not buying music is that after a period of time they're quick to discard older artists and write them off as "falling off" or "being washed" just for getting older and more mature SMMFH. If our pioneers can't get old and still make music the culture won't last long and you'll invite outsiders to come in and change things in ways you won't agree with and even destroy the culture.

BDK, Rakim, G Rap should be able to tour all over the world like the Eagles, Rolling Stones, Metallica, KISS and still sell out venues and be caked the fuck up. If you love music why should there be an age limit ? SMMFH Luciano Pavarotti made music well into his 70s maaaannn

Really tho? Those guys weren't popping like that regardless. They werent on that level. Pac, big, and pun would still be eating. If easy e doesn't die nwa would be eating. Prince was still killing befote he passed. You know mj would still be eating. We were just cheated out of our greats.

Only thing I will say is that rap generally doesn't translate well with age because it was primarly built off youth movements and energy. Hard to project that at 52.

Those guys were to reason Big, Pac and Pun were able to blow up. Because the did the ground work.

 

[Beta]

Yall know hip hop is dead right?

 

[LordZuko]

The whole ageism bullshit is why Rakim, BDK, Slick Rick etc aren't where they should be financially or even as respected by the youth SMMFH.

The biggest problem with rap fans aside from them not buying music is that after a period of time they're quick to discard older artists and write them off as "falling off" or "being washed" just for getting older and more mature SMMFH. If our pioneers can't get old and still make music the culture won't last long and you'll invite outsiders to come in and change things in ways you won't agree with and even destroy the culture.

BDK, Rakim, G Rap should be able to tour all over the world like the Eagles, Rolling Stones, Metallica, KISS and still sell out venues and be caked the fuck up. If you love music why should there be an age limit ? SMMFH Luciano Pavarotti made music well into his 70s maaaannn

Imma say this shit. It's controversial but Rap music is not a culture. Rap music is a vehicle for other people to express their culture through. It is also a vehicle that appeals to the lowest common denominator and is open for corporate exploiters. SO no there isnt room for the GOATS simply because we are always looking for the newest latest trend.

 

[Shizlansky]

The whole ageism bullshit is why Rakim, BDK, Slick Rick etc aren't where they should be financially or even as respected by the youth SMMFH.

The biggest problem with rap fans aside from them not buying music is that after a period of time they're quick to discard older artists and write them off as "falling off" or "being washed" just for getting older and more mature SMMFH. If our pioneers can't get old and still make music the culture won't last long and you'll invite outsiders to come in and change things in ways you won't agree with and even destroy the culture.

BDK, Rakim, G Rap should be able to tour all over the world like the Eagles, Rolling Stones, Metallica, KISS and still sell out venues and be caked the fuck up. If you love music why should there be an age limit ? SMMFH Luciano Pavarotti made music well into his 70s maaaannn

Imma say this shit. It's controversial but Rap music is not a culture. Rap music is a vehicle for other people to express their culture through. It is also a vehicle that appeals to the lowest common denominator and is open for corporate exploiters. SO no there isnt room for the GOATS simply because we are always looking for the newest latest trend.

I feel this.

 

[CashmoneyDux]

I agree, but this nigga trash ain't nothing to do with his age

 

[anduin]

Hip hop is primarily current music. It's one of the few genres where young people almost exclusively control the way the sound goes. So it becomes a more disposable medium where older rappers, who aren't making records young people fuck with, are called washed because in the current sound they likely are. I hear plenty of rap from the 30+ age artists who are still at least trying to make interesting music, it's just they aren't going to dictate where the sound is going like when they were younger and on some new shit. I think that's what makes hip hop great because it always has it's finger on the pulse and the lack of reverence for those who came before fits what hip hop's attitude on not giving a fuck about what anyone thinks.

 

[Turfaholic]

Our culture ages different and provides a different type of emotion in the music. Crunk & Hyphy music dominated my high school years. Imagine going to a Lil Jon & The Eastside Boys concert in 2017. The younger generation couldn't relate to the music. It would provide nostalgia to people like me, but I would look foolish trying do the dance moves that went along with that time era. If I saw a 30 year old woman trying to dance to get low?

 

[Kairo]

The whole ageism bullshit is why Rakim, BDK, Slick Rick etc aren't where they should be financially or even as respected by the youth SMMFH.

The biggest problem with rap fans aside from them not buying music is that after a period of time they're quick to discard older artists and write them off as "falling off" or "being washed" just for getting older and more mature SMMFH. If our pioneers can't get old and still make music the culture won't last long and you'll invite outsiders to come in and change things in ways you won't agree with and even destroy the culture.

BDK, Rakim, G Rap should be able to tour all over the world like the Eagles, Rolling Stones, Metallica, KISS and still sell out venues and be caked the fuck up. If you love music why should there be an age limit ? SMMFH Luciano Pavarotti made music well into his 70s maaaannn

*Snoop crushing the building gif*

 

[whatevathehell]

Just realized watching vid eminem almost 45

 

[KingFreeman]

The age shit cut both ways cause we be shitting on these young cats all the time. Just like our elders did to our greats so on and so forth.

The whole ageism bullshit is why Rakim, BDK, Slick Rick etc aren't where they should be financially or even as respected by the youth SMMFH.

The biggest problem with rap fans aside from them not buying music is that after a period of time they're quick to discard older artists and write them off as "falling off" or "being washed" just for getting older and more mature SMMFH. If our pioneers can't get old and still make music the culture won't last long and you'll invite outsiders to come in and change things in ways you won't agree with and even destroy the culture.

BDK, Rakim, G Rap should be able to tour all over the world like the Eagles, Rolling Stones, Metallica, KISS and still sell out venues and be caked the fuck up. If you love music why should there be an age limit ? SMMFH Luciano Pavarotti made music well into his 70s maaaannn

Really tho? Those guys weren't popping like that regardless. They werent on that level. Pac, big, and pun would still be eating. If easy e doesn't die nwa would be eating. Prince was still killing befote he passed. You know mj would still be eating. We were just cheated out of our greats.

Only thing I will say is that rap generally doesn't translate well with age because it was primarly built off youth movements and energy. Hard to project that at 52.

Says who tho ? NaS' LIG album is amazing, Raekwon, Ghostface Killah, Kanye they're making music for a more older audience. Niggas can't rap about their experiences at age 40+ compared to when they were 25 ? Why is the experience of being 25 have to differ from being 40 ? You have kids, bills, career choices, maybe even midlife crisis, old niggas you knew who've changed for better or worse, wifey, then the fame, etc. NaS did it and so did Raekwon, Kanye dropped Real Friends which is a great example. I don't see why it's such a problem.

Fabolous is 39 years old and turns 40 in November and he's rapping about all of those things from an OG's perspective. We have to stop putting limits on shit because it kills the culture and prevents it from really growing and sustaining long-term.

NaS Kanye etc have grown with their fans. Their not trying to reach a brand new audience. It's generally the same fans. Not saying they can't rap about their experiences I'm saying tough luck selling it to a 16-20 yr old who ain't never heard your shit. 8 times out of 10 they not gonna fuck with it because they can't relate.

The "putting limits on shit" is overblown to me. Music and artists evolve. HipHop has always been about what's hot, new and different. Thats a big part of it's foundation.

 

[Ear2DaSt]

16-20 year old don't know what they relate to

 

[Ear2DaSt]

kats don't want their favorite rapper to be outshined from a 52 year old dude with missing teeth

I believe I know what sounds good and dude had a catchy song on his hands

I don't cut for a rapper like Jz tho cuz he been mainstream for 20 plus years and is played out ...........

Many rappers had to go out of style before they could be accepted again example Master P

He went through his played out phase when people was sick of his shit cuz he had his hype moment

for a good while he sold tons of music but yes he had to take a step back for years

 

[R2_163]

Here's a question though. Has there ever been a rapper that actually came into the game at a Late age? Like their career started at 30 + years

 

[numbaz...80's baby]

Lol @ them taking this shit seriously.

They mentioned all these rappers who released their 1st album, in their late 20's, like they weren't buzzing and underground for 5-10 years.

2 Chains was on DTP for dam near a decade b4 his 1st solo album.

 

[Beta]

Here's a question though. Has there ever been a rapper that actually came into the game at a Late age? Like their career stated at 30 + years

Jay elec

 

[Ear2DaSt]

30 is young that dude is wrong

also it's plenty of kats that may have started at 30 especially in mainstream where it really counts

 

[Ear2DaSt]

30 + plus especially on solo shine not group shine

 

[Ear2DaSt]

To me it's a stupid notion to put a limit on when they can blow up by

that limits the kinda music you would here

gems in the underground would never see day light

some artist dedicate their younger life to underground rap

even started out brand new I aint trippin maybe he barely got his first shot