50 or Puffy or JayZ, Who is the most powerful HipHop Rapper/Mogul???

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master_mentor;1717550 said:
Is that your ranking?
Its between Russel and Diddy who gets the number one spot. Simmons was the King from 85-97, afterwards Diddy took over. I wonder why people are arguing about 50. His vitamin water deal was the only thing he has done, his music career is dying since GRODT, can't act, his investments from clothing, books to dildos etc. failed.

1. Russel Simmons
2. P. Diddy
3. Master P
4. Jay-Z
5. Will Smith
6. Ice Cube
7. JD
8. Kanye West
9. Marshall Mathers

Naw that's not my list I just put it together to reflect the votes of that time while shining some light on other credible mentions. However, my choice (Sean Combs) is starting to get his just due respect so I'm cool. I dig your list as well.
 
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50 cent is the weakest of the 3, i mean hes jus a branch offa Dre n Em's succsus

i jus dun see him as a "Mogul" ...i dun see him being all that smart either, mayb im wrong lol

ok yuh the g unit brand but nex 2 puffy n jayz he jus dun hol up
 
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sionb55;1716396 said:
I'll tell u who it aint...

It aint puffy - dude is desperate as fuck tryna get a single to save his life, even going as far as saying Ross is Big SMMFH. Makes more money from liquor than hit records, 50 cent bullied him, & niggas dont take him seriously, reputation is beat up b/c accusations of how he treats artists. seems like niggas got smarter n stopped signing to puff LOL. Extorts Dirty Money & other niggas just so he can look good - hes that fat chick who chills w/ fine bitches SMH.

It aint Jay but HEAR ME OUT FIRST !!! jay-z makes MOST of his cash from shit outside of music, yes he makes dope music & is very very good at spittin but remember POWER is influence. niggas dont fuck w/ jay cuz hes respected & wont say anything anyways, he has NEVER won a battle, & niggas respect the paper & beyonce.

50 Cent is the most powerful mogul in Hiphop.... nigga has the largest Hiphop site by traffic, obviously theres the sales & business ventures outside of music but lets take a closer look. Machiavelli once said its better to be feared than loved & thats essential to ANY leader/mogul. Niggas will fuck w/ Jay & Puff cuz theyre "safe" but noooo one fucks w/ fif. Even at a time where BISD barely sold gold theres plenty of shots niggas could send but no one will attempt it. & wen Fif DOES go at someone the whole world stops & listens. Nowadays 50 Cent doesnt even need a record label (got distribution w/ EMI instead) whereas Jay needs Live Nation & other distributing co.s. And if that aint enuff his fucking boss is Eminem & Dr.Dre for crying out loud & hes even showed his boldness going at Jimmy Iovine & also "lightly" questioning Dre. He has the streets on smash, 2 BEASTS that he can command at will (Em & Dre), backs up what he says, has sold what Jay did in 4 years what took him 12 years, his roster can out rap most of NY (Banks, Mobb Deep) his right hand man Sha Money holds more weight at Def Jam than his rivals, hes got every lane in music covered. The nigga wrote a manual about power w/ the Machiavelli of our time good God & we gotta ask whos the most powerful ? LOLOL c'mon son...

LOL, how is 50 Cent #1? Diddy is #1 off the strenth of being in the Top 3 on Forbes for Hip Hop Mogals for over a decade and he was still on it this year as making his 1st apperence in 97'. That's 13 straight years of being one of Hip Hop most wealthy Moguls. "Sean Jean" is a bigger brand than anything Jay or 50 Did with clothing. Jay Z is #2 cause he's been on Forbes now for 8 straight years in the Top 3. 50 Cent has a spark when he started but now he can't move any units, his label can't move any units.

He burned way to many bridges with all his beefs. And like I said, he wasn't in the Top 3 forbes cash kings this year. Sure 50 made his dough but he can't be #1 when Diddy and Jay make more money than him annually from business ventures and are still dominate after doing it for over a decade. Also he did not sell what Jay did in 4 years. Jay is still going Platinum till this day. 50 Cent barely went Gold on his last LP, it's doubtful if he sees another Platinum album. Jay is the best Emcee/Mogul. But Diddy is by far the most powerful, from Television, clothing, music, etc, etc, etc. The fact Diddy is making 30+ Million a year and Bad Boy isn't even poppin like it use to let's know he's the Don.
 
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Diddy was a assoicate producer on 2 Jay Z albums, therefor though Jay is making more than Diddy right now, Diddy still gets the nod over him for doing it longer and having more impact. Jay Z never excutively produced a Diamond selling album. 50 doesn't even produce his albums, Jimmy Irvione, Dr. Dre and Eminem got more money off 50's album than 50 did.
 
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I vote Diddy, whoever said 50 is a damn fool. The biggest business venture he had was Vitamin Water which he sold so no incoming money for that. G-Unit sneakers were a flop wasn't anybody wearing that shit but G-Unit not to mention other failed investments like magic stick condoms, wtf? His 200 million dollar deal with Cheetah Vision will fail due to the fact nobody wants to see 50 Cent in any straight-to-dvd movie, the fact that Hip Hop's most feared man failed miserably in just about every business venture he had shows that he wasn't a real mogul just a self-appointed one with a huge industry backing.
 
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sionb55;1718749 said:
Slick rebuttal buuut...

Maaan dont play dumb fam LOL, we're speaking figuratively here its true tho 50 Cent did bully Diddy w/ the Cassie shit, The shit w/ Big on the Bomb First, calling dude a lil bitch, & sending more nasty insults. The vid is proof of that. U want more bullying ? Jay-Z signs Jay Electronica & did has a bitch-fit about it on Twitter sayin he was 'betrayed' nigga please no one wants some wack ass old nigga dancing all in they videos, tryna throw furs on them wen they rap politically conscious music. Hard to take a guy seriously for candidate as most powerful wen his reputation is being dragged thru the mud by a dude like fif and then Jay-Z LOL. & in terms of accomplishments, current standings, & business ventures both in and out of music 50 Cent & Jay-Z beat out puff. Vitamin Water, musically, products & sales records, movies & movie deals (lets not forget fif's 200 million dollar deal) and even in demonstrations of power within the industry against one another. Its cool that Puff had history (thats why hes in this convo LOL) but even then that was many years ago. Since the dawn of 50 Puff has taken a backseat to Jay & Fif. 50 did wat them niggas took 10s of years to do in only 4-5 years, took over the city & made himself a staple. Public embarrassment from 50 Cent, the numbers of the current years ongoing, when u ask anyone puff pales in comparison to his 2 rivals.

Good God must I bring out the guns now ? lets do a little comparing.... SMMFH

Jay-Z's Rocawear is doing $1 billion dollars in revenue, Puff does 100 mil in revenues, G-Unit clothing did 240 mil in revenues NOT including the shoe sales reebok had for both fif & jay. U say management/music ? ok Willow Smith, Jay Electronica, Bruno Mars, J.Cole, Rihanna, Wale, Mark Ronson, No ID, Solange, Kanye West, I need not break down Kanye's, Rihanna's, No ID's or even Jay's own successes musically he shits on Bad Boy. As for Fif ? about 32-40 million sold in just 4-5 years meanwhile Puff took almost 20 years (Jay some 12-15) to do that. AND he had Biggie. Jay got 11 #1s, critical acclaim, Beyonce & even more. Hard to take a dude serious wen ur own GF makes more money than him. Fif had Game, Buck, Banks, Mobb Deep and more. Oh & 50 Cent has been in talks to acquire Amalgam Digital... i need not say more....

Outside of music ? 40/40 is coming to airports around the country, Fif got a 200 mil movie deal, Jay owns a basketball team, Fif got 400 mil from Coca Cola & still got to keep a stake in the co., thisis50 is 1 of the largest hiphop sites in the world (again yall say he broke bridges yet dont wanna see that he's interviewed practically every artist thats come up in the last 2 years, all of whom shout out Fif & wanna be on his site). I'll leave it at that smmfh x2 i could go on for daaaays tho.

U say influence ? ok this is where the other 2 overstand puff. Jay-Z is legendary, he'll switch everyone from baggy clothes to button ups, practically made the Yankee hat more famous than a yankee, pretty much deaded autotune, lyrics are still being studied & deciphered to this day, has the game by the balls off Kanye & GOOD Music alone, hes become the ideal standard for ANY rapper. Niggas aint parading sayin they wanna be puff LOL. 50 Cent ? u want influence ? he wrote the fucking manual on power & his books are best sellers, but thats not even wat puts his influence over others its the mere fact that hes earned his rightful place, theyve thrown EVERY major artist & boss at 50 cent & hes drilled thru each of them and NEVER backed down from a challenge. In most cases not only swiftly beating his competition but humiliating them as well, wen he gets into a feud w/ a nigga literally the whole rap scene stops & gets quiet as every1 watches him. Now Lets tally up the bodies, Jarule, Supreme (1 of the most powerful drug dealers in NY call it how u want but all is fair in love & war), Irv Gotti, Rick Ross, he single handedly dissembled one of the most powerful crews in NY (dipset) wen he had jimmy & santana jump on stage w/ him (poor king jaffy joe, niggas will yell disloyalty but c'mon son SMH), Lil Wayne (he humiliated wayne too), T.I., Fat Joe, Jadakiss & the LOX (both Joe & Jada were once candidates for King of NY), Puff, Nas, Jimmy Iovine I mean the list is disgustingly long. Niggas say 50 Cent is why NY rap fell apart or that he's burned too many bridges ? yet fail to see that he brought the ENTIRE NY rap scene together at his concert wen niggas was sayin there was no unity, Dipset, LOX, troy ave, maino, shit everybody was there - Puff & Jay-Z cant even go back to the streets like that and do that and they wouldnt. They traded in their hood pass for the white audience (there is nothing wrong w/ this im just illustrating a contrast b/w having power over ur industry & peers and having power elsewhere u can make a decision on which one deems more relevant to the other). We're talkin about most powerful, not just by paper & success but by influence as well. See Donald Trump has more money than the president but the president controls the whole country & the game in which Trump plays in. Jay-Z is the BEST RAPPER (alive - arguably), Puff is the best promoter, 50 the best businessman....

Puff is not equal to Jay-Z or 50 Cent & there is nothing hes got that puts him over those 2 as a whole. Hes a socialite now & yes hes got a great history, but everyone from Mary J Blige to even Big all had plans to leave him over "questionable" conduct (MJB has been vocal about this in the past w/ best friend Lil Kim). The Ross & Nicki being Big & Kim is ridiculous & shameful, dudes gets tossed around by Fif, dude even whined & cried about over twitter wen Jay took Jay Electronica, Niggas cryin over gas on youtube & he a millionaire ? SMMFH waaaack. & let me say again... the whole point is not to shit on puff LOL, hes been doin his thing for years & thats great, hes an icon in his own way but so are his rivals. Hes a powerful guy - no doubt but facts is facts hes just not more powerful than Jay-Z & 50 Cent and thats just that.

Oh & mastermind that statement not entirely true about Em, Dre & Iovine , check forbes, fif did 80 mil then the next year 100 mil (tho i think it was 150 mil i cant remember) while em & dre did only 20 respectively. but while ur at it check billboards 2000-2009 list , Jay-Z was placed at #4 behind Eminem, 50 Cent & Nelly... puff was at the near bottom END of story.

btw great thread Fazeem *daps*

*goes back to lair*

You wrote a little more than what I did....but I said that.

LOL
 
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I'm THAT guy...;1718834 said:
I vote Diddy, whoever said 50 is a damn fool. The biggest business venture he had was Vitamin Water which he sold so no incoming money for that. G-Unit sneakers were a flop wasn't anybody wearing that shit but G-Unit not to mention other failed investments like magic stick condoms, wtf? His 200 million dollar deal with Cheetah Vision will fail due to the fact nobody wants to see 50 Cent in any straight-to-dvd movie, the fact that Hip Hop's most feared man failed miserably in just about every business venture he had shows that he wasn't a real mogul just a self-appointed one with a huge industry backing.

Exactly, 50 shouldn't even be mentioned. He had a couple of hot years. Diddy and Jay have had hot decades. Diddy brought Biggie and Mary J to the world. Who has Jay Z brought to the world? Bleek? Sigel? I mean Diddy excutive producer credits alone outshine 50 Cent and yes even Jay Z. Jay is right there, don't get it twisted but Jay has not done it longer and have had more impact than Diddy has had on Hip Hop music. Also "No Way Out" moved more units than any 50 Cent album or Jay Z album and had more hits than any 50 cent album or Jay Z album.
 
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H-Rap 180;1717289 said:
50Cent is the most overrated human being in history...what moves has he made in the industry??

Puffy>>>>>Boo-Boo

Mase>>>>>Tony Yayo

Shyne>>>>>Lloyd Banks

Janelle Monae>>>>>>>Olivia

Black Rob>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hot Rod

Rozay>>>>>>Soulja Boy

Bad Boys>>>>>Gorillas

Tap-dancing>>>>Buck-dancing

Nicki Minaj>>>>>>>Chelsea Handler

J-Lo>>>>>>>>>>Vivica Foxx

Sean-John clothing>>>>>G-Unit wigger-wear

Ciroc Vodka>>>>>>Vitamin water

Carlito's Way Rise to Power>>>>Get rich or die trying (movie)

Metro-Sexuality>>>>>>>Homo-Thuggery

Hustling your artists>>>>>Secretly recording your artists

Gold teeth>>>>>Rabbitt teeth

Son of Hustler>>>>>Son of a dyke

Ready to Die>>>Get rich or die tryin'

Pass the Courvoisier>>>>>>>>Pass the Patron

Child support>>>>>>Arson

Last train to Paris>>>>>Kissing Paris Hilton




lol take that take that!
 
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Fazeem Blackall;1725562 said:
wow there is a lot of great debate going on so far i am still undecided...

They was drinking Ciroc by the gallon last night!

Diddy influence.
 
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