3 Chicago teens rape 12 year old girl... at gunpoint... post video on facebook

[NIKE...]

Charge these niggas as adults

 

[Melanin_Enriched]

Didn't read thread. Pics of the hoe?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

So prosecutors don't question whether or not the accuser is telling the truth ? That's preposterous.

Being innocent until proven guilty is not treated as a "rule of thumb" saying. It's the actual law if I'm not mistaken.

The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that someone, accused of a crime is guilty, beyond doubt.

And a civilized society should welcome that.

Of course they do, but they don't go into an investigation assuming the victim is a liar. Best case, everyone involved goes into the situation with no bias and builds their opinion of what happened based on the evidence available. Your problem is you're trying to argue that the boys should be treated fairly which is true, but your idea of treating them fairly seems to involve dismissing the victim's allegations as bullshit unless some irrefutable evidence removes any and all doubt. That's not how shit works and it's not how shit should work. Almost no criminal would ever be prosecuted if that's the way things were done.

What I meant is simple. If they accuse the dudes of forcing her to have sex, with a gun, and there's a video - then I'd think that would've probably been one of the first things they mention about the video, not some shit about a gun being "visible" and she "felt scared". I'm expecting something along the lines of "He told me he would shoot me.... he threatened me with the gun... etc..."

How do you know none of that was said? Just because it's not in the article doesn't mean it's not the case. Article covering incident =/= prosecutor's case. The prosecutors are most likely holding a lot of details back especially due to the child's age.

I look at any case with common sense and reason. If anybody's being biased, it's someone who assumes that another person is guilty, or another person is innocent - while ignoring the facts.

So niggaz choose not to raise questions, or not consider all the facts and the people who do, are biased ? Really ?

Again, questions are good, silly loaded questions that basically assume that the victim is lying are pointless. Again, you keep pointing out that people are judging without considering facts. You don't have access to anymore facts than anyone else, yet you've clearly made up your mind that the chick is lying. So you're doing the same shit you're railing against.

So, at which point did I say the chick was lying ? It's not my fault there are holes in the story.

I know niggas wanna catch feelings when they hear a young girl was raped but that shit ain't always true, and the only way to know is to investigate / ask questions.

That's all niggaz are doing. The story sounds flaky, so questions are being raised.

I'm sure you'd want the same for yourself if you were accused of a crime.

You want niggaz to sit there ignoring things that sound like bullshit ?

What holes?

Questioning whether or not the girls was really just going to talk like she said and whether or not she knew they had a gun before going over is not poking holes in her story. That's basically just suggesting she's lying for no other reason than to call her a liar.

 

[7figz]

So prosecutors don't question whether or not the accuser is telling the truth ? That's preposterous.

Being innocent until proven guilty is not treated as a "rule of thumb" saying. It's the actual law if I'm not mistaken.

The burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that someone, accused of a crime is guilty, beyond doubt.

And a civilized society should welcome that.

Of course they do, but they don't go into an investigation assuming the victim is a liar. Best case, everyone involved goes into the situation with no bias and builds their opinion of what happened based on the evidence available. Your problem is you're trying to argue that the boys should be treated fairly which is true, but your idea of treating them fairly seems to involve dismissing the victim's allegations as bullshit unless some irrefutable evidence removes any and all doubt. That's not how shit works and it's not how shit should work. Almost no criminal would ever be prosecuted if that's the way things were done.

What I meant is simple. If they accuse the dudes of forcing her to have sex, with a gun, and there's a video - then I'd think that would've probably been one of the first things they mention about the video, not some shit about a gun being "visible" and she "felt scared". I'm expecting something along the lines of "He told me he would shoot me.... he threatened me with the gun... etc..."

How do you know none of that was said? Just because it's not in the article doesn't mean it's not the case. Article covering incident =/= prosecutor's case. The prosecutors are most likely holding a lot of details back especially due to the child's age.

I look at any case with common sense and reason. If anybody's being biased, it's someone who assumes that another person is guilty, or another person is innocent - while ignoring the facts.

So niggaz choose not to raise questions, or not consider all the facts and the people who do, are biased ? Really ?

Again, questions are good, silly loaded questions that basically assume that the victim is lying are pointless. Again, you keep pointing out that people are judging without considering facts. You don't have access to anymore facts than anyone else, yet you've clearly made up your mind that the chick is lying. So you're doing the same shit you're railing against.

So, at which point did I say the chick was lying ? It's not my fault there are holes in the story.

I know niggas wanna catch feelings when they hear a young girl was raped but that shit ain't always true, and the only way to know is to investigate / ask questions.

That's all niggaz are doing. The story sounds flaky, so questions are being raised.

I'm sure you'd want the same for yourself if you were accused of a crime.

You want niggaz to sit there ignoring things that sound like bullshit ?

What holes?

Questioning whether or not the girls was really just going to talk like she said and whether or not she knew they had a gun before going over is not poking holes in her story. That's basically just suggesting she's lying for no other reason than to call her a liar.

If the girl went over there to fuck, then it's most likely not rape.

If they didn't threaten her with the gun, then there's no assault.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

If the girl went over there to fuck, then it's most likely not rape.

If they didn't threaten her with the gun, then there's no assault.

And in both of those cases you have a built in bias that what she's saying is untrue. She said she went over there to talk. You're essentially suggesting she's lying and actually went over there to fuck. And that's based on what?

The people that have seen the video and talked to the victim are suggesting the gun was used in a way to threaten and intimidate her into the act. You're pushing that it wasn't used to threaten, again based on what?

What you're doing is not poking holes in the story. What you're doing is taking what the girl said and asking "What if she's lying?" That's a fair question, but asking the question and proving her story untrue are not even close to the same thing.

 

[7figz]

If the girl went over there to fuck, then it's most likely not rape.

If they didn't threaten her with the gun, then there's no assault.

And in both of those cases you have a built in bias that what she's saying is untrue. She said she went over there to talk. You're essentially suggesting she's lying and actually went over there to fuck. And that's based on what?

How is asking whether or not something is true a bias ?

With a rape accusation, I'm thinking that's the first question you should ask.

The people that have seen the video and talked to the victim are suggesting the gun was used in a way to threaten and intimidate her into the act. You're pushing that it wasn't used to threaten, again based on what?

If it was used to threaten her, and it's in the video - why isn't that said ?

They had 5 months to build this case and look at this video - and the article doesn't even say that the gun was used in a threatening manner.

What you're doing is not poking holes in the story. What you're doing is taking what the girl said and asking "What if she's lying?" That's a fair question, but asking the question and proving her story untrue are not even close to the same thing.

Like I said earlier, the burden of proof is on the accuser. There's a lot of reasonable doubt (keyword: reasonable).

Instead of taking a flaky media story and running with it, talking about 'hang them niggaz' and shit like that - I called out shit that didn't sound right.

As far as her lying / not.... maybe she is, maybe she ain't. How would I know ? Shit, how would you know she ain't ? All I can do is go by common sense and what sounds reasonable (keyword again: reasonable). You acting like you never heard of a bitch lyin' about rape or it's not in the realm of possibility.

 

[Ms.Scorp]

It's absurd to say that a 12 year old little girl has the proper mind to assess what she was doing in that type of situation, especially when guns were present. Hell, not many grown ass Women would even say no when you have 3 dudes holding guns, she was likely intimidated into doing it, even if she did give some type of consent.

I hope some of you never have daughters /

 

[7figz]

I'm gonna leave it at this.

Just hope ya' ass don't get accused of a crime, and definitely not a heinous one - because from the looks of this thread, motherfuckers will not be trying to ask whether or not you did it, or if the accusations even make sense.

Ya' ass is going down - no trial, no evidence (not even circumstancial), niggaz convicting off of headlines and emotions, point blank.

 

[Ms.Scorp]

I'm gonna leave it at this.

Just hope ya' ass don't get accused of a crime, and definitely not a heinous one - because from the looks of this thread, motherfuckers will not be trying to ask whether or not you did it, or if the accusations even make sense.

Ya' ass is going down - no trial, no evidence (not even circumstancial), niggaz convicting off of headlines and emotions, point blank.

No, how about you just don't fuck a 12 year old, have guns present and then put the shit on facebook.....

 

[7figz]

I'm gonna leave it at this.

Just hope ya' ass don't get accused of a crime, and definitely not a heinous one - because from the looks of this thread, motherfuckers will not be trying to ask whether or not you did it, or if the accusations even make sense.

Ya' ass is going down - no trial, no evidence (not even circumstancial), niggaz convicting off of headlines and emotions, point blank.

No, how about you just don't fuck a 12 year old, have guns present and then put the shit on facebook.....

^ See what I mean - emotions. ^

Does anybody even care whether or not a crime was really committed ?

Or better yet - does anybody even care whether or not it was really rape ?

These are all minors by the way, so if you're gonna mention her age, you might as well mention theirs' too.

 

[Ms.Scorp]

I'm gonna leave it at this.

Just hope ya' ass don't get accused of a crime, and definitely not a heinous one - because from the looks of this thread, motherfuckers will not be trying to ask whether or not you did it, or if the accusations even make sense.

Ya' ass is going down - no trial, no evidence (not even circumstancial), niggaz convicting off of headlines and emotions, point blank.

No, how about you just don't fuck a 12 year old, have guns present and then put the shit on facebook.....

^ See what I mean - emotions. ^

Does anybody even care whether or not a crime was committed ?

It's not emotions, it's common sense homey....who would post that shit on facebook?

These dudes were idiots and given the fact that this girl was 12 years old a crime was commited even if she did "consent".

 

[SixSickSins]

Some sick kneegahs emerged from this thread like maggots from rotting meat.

'scust.

A female who may not even have begun menstruating and you're advocating that she be allowed to have sex under the law. Then, in accordance with the events reported, assume she's a hoe fo sho' knowing fucking well she was raped at 12. Your hoe argument may have been somewhat plausible had she been in her late teens or something...but naw. Y'all some nasty kneegahs.

It's obvious whose daughters will end up on the casting couch because daddy likes to play devil's advocate when it comes to having sex at disgustingly young ages. Y'all the real hoes.

 

[7figz]

I'm tired of going back and forth about this shit. Most of the questions being asked were already addressed a few pages back.

If I'm convicting somebody of rape, then that's what I want proven - not some circumstancial shit about a gun was present but not necessarily used or the fact that I'm disgusted by their ages. (They were all minors).

I'm leaving this shit alone, y'all can continue the feelings lynch mob.

And for all the shit about niggaz' daughters, if you ain't asking your daughter what she was doing going over to a 16 yr old "gang-banger's" house for "to talk", then I'm sure you're a wonderful parent.

 

[DMTxTHC]

Smh @ any 16 year old lusting over a 12 year old..

When I was 16 I was in the 11/12th grade and was surrounded by women that were legal or could pass for legal.. middle schoolers (or rape for that matter) was the last thing on my mind..

I know it's a 3/4 year difference between the girl and the offenders, but you can't tell me that a 21 yr old messing around with a 18 yr old or a 31 yr old messing around with a 27 yr old is the same as a 16 yr old fucking with a 12 yr old..

Lock these savages up b..

 

[fuc_i_look_like]

Yo i hope some of yall are just trolling, otherwise yall are some grade A weirdos smh.

 

[Well Got Dam]

them niggas about to be T.O.S.

 

[Ms.Scorp]

Yo i hope some of yall are just trolling, otherwise yall are some grade A weirdos smh.

Yeah, to see grown ass men basically jump to the defense of these clowns even though they had sex with and sodomized a 12 y/o child and then put the shit on facebook is disturbing.

It's almost as if they want a reason to blame the little girl for what happened to her, making all types of excuses for these dudes.

 

[hALF_pAST_7EVEN]

@blackrain

That's fine n dandy, i don't dispute it

But being threaten by the presence of a gun don't = threaten you

That's the key thing I'm keying on

And the fact a 12 year old girl going by a 16 year old

I ain't never said these knuckle heads are innocent

I just wasn't fully digesting the propaganda that was in the article because it didn't sound 100% factual

 

[coop9889]

Yo i hope some of yall are just trolling, otherwise yall are some grade A weirdos smh.

Yeah, to see grown ass men basically jump to the defense of these clowns even though they had sex with and sodomized a 12 y/o child and then put the shit on facebook is disturbing.

It's almost as if they want a reason to blame the little girl for what happened to her, making all types of excuses for these dudes.

Niggas are only saying don't jump to the conclusion of RAPE, when it could've just as likely been consensual

 

[hALF_pAST_7EVEN]

Some sick kneegahs emerged from this thread like maggots from rotting meat.

'scust.

A female who may not even have begun menstruating and you're advocating that she be allowed to have sex under the law. Then, in accordance with the events reported, assume she's a hoe fo sho' knowing fucking well she was raped at 12. Your hoe argument may have been somewhat plausible had she been in her late teens or something...but naw. Y'all some nasty kneegahs.

It's obvious whose daughters will end up on the casting couch because daddy likes to play devil's advocate when it comes to having sex at disgustingly young ages. Y'all the real hoes.

My bestfriend started sucking dick at 11

My ex gf was fucking bitches at 12 and was getting her pussy ate out at 13

Another homegirl of mine i knew when I was 15 and she was 13 told me how her homegirls who were 13 and 12 weren't virgins and was fucking

And some of them were turning into lil hoes already

You may have been miss innocent till ya late teens but best believe they do have little girls that are freaks along with little boys

Its mind blowing to think and down right disgusting but goddammit its true

Dudes ain't just making crazy shit up its real out here

Now those bastards deserve to go to jail I dont agree with all that age consentual shit